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Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

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glinda-goodwitch
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Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I thought Guliani would be a good choice but I don't think he'll make it. Chat Icon

Posted 1/16/08 12:15 PM
 
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I am.
I don't really like any of them! Chat Icon

Posted 1/16/08 12:17 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I have no idea who I really like and would REALLy want to run our country...but I have some time to still thinkChat Icon

Posted 1/16/08 12:25 PM
 

glinda-goodwitch
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I get really scared when I think about some of the candidates that could be running our country.

Posted 1/16/08 12:27 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I think on the Dem side it's down to voting on personality, not issues..or on whether you think "change" is more important than "experience"


As for Giuliani - I wouldn't really get too discouraged. He hasn't actually competed or campaiged in any of the states so far. Such a small percentage of the population has voted. I mea if we went my Iowa, Huckabee is the choice..and that's just ..well that's interesting. The states that are going to vote for Giuliani haven't even voted yet, so I would wait until Super Tuesday to throw in the towel.

Have you done one of the candidate quizzes? What did you like about Giuliani? What issues are important to you?

Posted 1/16/08 12:36 PM
 

glinda-goodwitch
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Actually, I tried a quiz from here but the link wasn't working.

I haven't heard too much about what everyone thinks about stem cell research, which is important to me. Regardless of issues or views, I thought Guliani did a good job with 9/11, and I worry that candidates with less experience may handle crises badly. I also feel like a candidate that has strong religious views (whatever they are) may not be appropriate if they try to impose them on the country (separation of church and state). I don't know...there are a lot of candidates out there, but when it comes down to it, there will only be a few on voting day, and what if I don't like ANY of them?

Posted 1/16/08 12:50 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

It's going to be a hard job for anyone to do.

Posted 1/16/08 1:00 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by glinda-goodwitch

Actually, I tried a quiz from here but the link wasn't working.

I haven't heard too much about what everyone thinks about stem cell research, which is important to me. Regardless of issues or views, I thought Guliani did a good job with 9/11, and I worry that candidates with less experience may handle crises badly. I also feel like a candidate that has strong religious views (whatever they are) may not be appropriate if they try to impose them on the country (separation of church and state). I don't know...there are a lot of candidates out there, but when it comes down to it, there will only be a few on voting day, and what if I don't like ANY of them?



I think if you don't like any of them, ONE of them is still going to be president, so I think you need to dig deeper and find out who you think will be best. There is never a perfect candidate.

If those are your main two iddues, I think GENERALLY speaking you are looking for a democratic candidate.

Here's one guide about where hte candidates stand on major issues NYT

One more: Project Vote Smart

Message edited 1/16/2008 1:25:06 PM.

Posted 1/16/08 1:16 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by JenniferEver

If those are your main two iddues, I think GENERALLY speaking you are looking for a democratic candidate.

Or McCain maybe. I don't know anything about his religious views but I know he supports federal funding for stem cell research.

Posted 1/16/08 1:19 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

i'm leaning toward McCain, but trying to keep an open mind until i really know ALL of their stances. (though, when it comes down to it, i think all of them are BSing, but still....)

Posted 1/16/08 1:20 PM
 

shiv
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

i'm a republican in NY- it doesn't matter who I want, my vote will never count

Posted 1/16/08 1:47 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by shiv

i'm a republican in NY- it doesn't matter who I want, my vote will never count



Not true - Bush is president!


I'm a democrat by the way. Chat Icon

Posted 1/16/08 1:54 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

John McCain is for increasing funding for stem cell research that does not involve embryos, so adult stem cell research.

Giuliani favors broadeing EMRYONIC stem-cell research

an important distinction.

Actually this site has a more detailed breakdown

Pew Forum

Message edited 1/16/2008 2:17:48 PM.

Posted 1/16/08 2:16 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

From the above link
The Candidates on Stem Cell Research

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Hillary Clinton An outspoken supporter of stem cell research, Clinton cosponsored the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005. President Bush vetoed the bill, which would have allowed federal financing of stem cell research on new embryonic stem cell lines derived from discarded human embryos originally created for fertility treatments. She has called the ethics of stem cell research "a delicate balancing act."

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John Edwards Edwards favors expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. He said during the 2004 presidential campaign that with such research, "people like [actor] Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again." Bill Frist, a physician who was then Senate Majority Leader, said the comment perpetuated false hope about the potential of stem cell research.

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Rudolph Giuliani Giuliani supports loosening restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research and generally broadening such research.

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Mike Gravel Gravel supports stem cell research as an important advance in health care. In a June 2006 interview for a blog, Gravel compared stem cell research to research on human cadavers, which he says was once taboo but has yielded important discoveries. He says the government should not limit the advancement of science in the area of regenerative medicine, which includes embryonic stem cell research.

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Mike Huckabee Huckabee supports research on existing stem cell lines but does not believe in "creating life for the sole purpose of destroying it." He says that embryonic stem cell research may not be necessary "because recent discoveries have shown that stem cells from the umbilical cord may in fact be as useful as the embryonic stem cells that were previously created."

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Duncan Hunter Hunter supports the use of adult stem cells, harvested without destroying human embryos, as integral to the pursuit of regenerative treatments and cures for disease. He opposes the use of embryonic stem cell lines for research. He voted against the proposed Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, which would have expanded the stem cell lines eligible for federal funding for research.

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Alan Keyes Keyes opposes embryonic stem cell research. He argues that using embryos for stem cell research violates the equal rights that God grants all humans. "If we are enjoined to respect human life, then we must respect that life at every stage, from conception onward … No medical advance, and certainly no material profit, justifies denying the claim to humanity of the embryonic human person," he said.

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Dennis Kucinich Kucinich is a co-sponsor of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007, which would lift restrictions on federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. He also voted for the 2006 version of the act, which was eventually vetoed by President Bush.

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John McCain McCain opposes embryonic stem cell research that uses cloned human embryos, but supports research using human embryos left over from fertility treatments. In 2006, McCain supported a trio of Senate bills designed to increase federal funding for adult stem cell research, ban the creation of embryos for research and offer federal support for research using embryos slated for destruction by fertility clinics.

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Barack Obama Obama supports relaxing federal restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. He voted for the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, which was vetoed by President Bush. The bill would have allowed federal funding to be used for research on stem cell lines obtained from discarded human embryos originally created for fertility treatments.

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Ron Paul Paul backed President Bush's veto of congressional legislation to expand federal funding for non-embryonic stem cell research, saying he doesn't oppose such research but objects to federal funding for it. The founding fathers, Paul also wrote, "intended to keep issues such as embryonic stem cell research entirely out of Washington's hands."

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W. Mitt Romney Romney opposes stem cell research that uses cloned human embryos, but supports research using human embryos left over from fertility treatments. He also believes that embryonic stem cell research should not be funded by the government. Prior to 2005, Romney broadly supported research on embryonic stem cells. He traces the change in his stance to an epiphany during meetings with stem cell researchers.

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Fred Thompson Thompson told the National Right to Life Conference in June 2007 that he supports adult stem-cell research, but not "stem-cell research where embryos of unborn children are destroyed." He said, "It looks to me like there is a lot of promising developments as far as adult stem-cell research is concerned anyway and we don't need to go down that other road."

Posted 1/16/08 2:18 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

If you're not planning to vote in the primary, it's semi-irrelevent, because you'll have your choice of 2 or 3 in November.

Posted 1/16/08 2:20 PM
 

glinda-goodwitch
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by JenniferEver

From the above link
The Candidates on Stem Cell Research

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hillary Clinton An outspoken supporter of stem cell research, Clinton cosponsored the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005. President Bush vetoed the bill, which would have allowed federal financing of stem cell research on new embryonic stem cell lines derived from discarded human embryos originally created for fertility treatments. She has called the ethics of stem cell research "a delicate balancing act."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Edwards Edwards favors expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. He said during the 2004 presidential campaign that with such research, "people like [actor] Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again." Bill Frist, a physician who was then Senate Majority Leader, said the comment perpetuated false hope about the potential of stem cell research.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rudolph Giuliani Giuliani supports loosening restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research and generally broadening such research.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike Gravel Gravel supports stem cell research as an important advance in health care. In a June 2006 interview for a blog, Gravel compared stem cell research to research on human cadavers, which he says was once taboo but has yielded important discoveries. He says the government should not limit the advancement of science in the area of regenerative medicine, which includes embryonic stem cell research.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike Huckabee Huckabee supports research on existing stem cell lines but does not believe in "creating life for the sole purpose of destroying it." He says that embryonic stem cell research may not be necessary "because recent discoveries have shown that stem cells from the umbilical cord may in fact be as useful as the embryonic stem cells that were previously created."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Duncan Hunter Hunter supports the use of adult stem cells, harvested without destroying human embryos, as integral to the pursuit of regenerative treatments and cures for disease. He opposes the use of embryonic stem cell lines for research. He voted against the proposed Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, which would have expanded the stem cell lines eligible for federal funding for research.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alan Keyes Keyes opposes embryonic stem cell research. He argues that using embryos for stem cell research violates the equal rights that God grants all humans. "If we are enjoined to respect human life, then we must respect that life at every stage, from conception onward … No medical advance, and certainly no material profit, justifies denying the claim to humanity of the embryonic human person," he said.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dennis Kucinich Kucinich is a co-sponsor of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007, which would lift restrictions on federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. He also voted for the 2006 version of the act, which was eventually vetoed by President Bush.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John McCain McCain opposes embryonic stem cell research that uses cloned human embryos, but supports research using human embryos left over from fertility treatments. In 2006, McCain supported a trio of Senate bills designed to increase federal funding for adult stem cell research, ban the creation of embryos for research and offer federal support for research using embryos slated for destruction by fertility clinics.

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Barack Obama Obama supports relaxing federal restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. He voted for the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, which was vetoed by President Bush. The bill would have allowed federal funding to be used for research on stem cell lines obtained from discarded human embryos originally created for fertility treatments.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ron Paul Paul backed President Bush's veto of congressional legislation to expand federal funding for non-embryonic stem cell research, saying he doesn't oppose such research but objects to federal funding for it. The founding fathers, Paul also wrote, "intended to keep issues such as embryonic stem cell research entirely out of Washington's hands."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

W. Mitt Romney Romney opposes stem cell research that uses cloned human embryos, but supports research using human embryos left over from fertility treatments. He also believes that embryonic stem cell research should not be funded by the government. Prior to 2005, Romney broadly supported research on embryonic stem cells. He traces the change in his stance to an epiphany during meetings with stem cell researchers.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fred Thompson Thompson told the National Right to Life Conference in June 2007 that he supports adult stem-cell research, but not "stem-cell research where embryos of unborn children are destroyed." He said, "It looks to me like there is a lot of promising developments as far as adult stem-cell research is concerned anyway and we don't need to go down that other road."




Thanks!

Posted 1/16/08 2:20 PM
 

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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by JenniferEver

John McCain is for increasing funding for stem cell research that does not involve embryos, so adult stem cell research.


As I understand it, McCain opposes the creation of embryos strictly for stem cell research purposes, but he supports research that uses embryos that have already been created (through fertility clinics).

Posted 1/16/08 2:22 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by bird382

Posted by JenniferEver

John McCain is for increasing funding for stem cell research that does not involve embryos, so adult stem cell research.


As I understand it, McCain opposes the creation of embryos strictly for stem cell research purposes, but he supports research that uses embryos that have already been created (through fertility clinics).



Yes! This was clarified by the info from Pew

Posted 1/16/08 2:25 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I know people are in love with McCain but I want to point out that he was an advocate for the Federal Defense of Marriage aCt, which declared that the federal gov't did not recognize same sex marriages. He opposed a constitutional amendment declaring marriage as between a man and a woman, but supported a simiilar bill in AZ. I don't know which way this will sway people.

And although Giuliani claims to be against gay marriage (don't get me started on him) he lived with a gay couple (my old boss! Chat Icon ) and he has marched in gay pride rallies etc. In other words, he's FOS and a political opportunist.
He does not support the amendment

Posted 1/16/08 2:29 PM
 

bird382
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but for the record, I'm not in love with McCain. Chat Icon I just wanted to clarify his stance on federal support of stem cell research.

Posted 1/16/08 2:32 PM
 

JenniferEver
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Re: Is anyone else REALLY confused about who they want for president?

Posted by bird382

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but for the record, I'm not in love with McCain. Chat Icon I just wanted to clarify his stance on federal support of stem cell research.



I was making a more general statement. Chat Icon

I also posted the pew research to clarify because my original source was ambiguous.

I find some things about McCain to be quite admirable. I don't support him for president, but I want people to be informed no matter who they vote for!

Posted 1/16/08 11:31 PM
 
 

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