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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
My thinking is if they’re going to be online anyway it’s not the same as getting the full college experience so I think a lot of students ( maybe not so much current students but new incoming students) will opt to go to a cheaper school instead (community and state schools) so that’s why I think a lot of the private, more expensive colleges will be hurting.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
My thinking is if they’re going to be online anyway it’s not the same as getting the full college experience so I think a lot of students ( maybe not so much current students but new incoming students) will opt to go to a cheaper school instead (community and state schools) so that’s why I think a lot of the private, more expensive colleges will be hurting.
Maybe. State schools are becoming increasingly hard to get into especially when there’s an influx of applications given the economy.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
When the dust from all of this clears, and it will, even if it takes a year or two, people in certain fields will still be expected to have degrees.
Commuter schools will benefit, but everyone will need to find a way to use this time.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
I agree with this. I attended an out-of-state college for my second masters without setting foot on the campus. It was a rigorous program. I understand missing out on the college experience though, and that is something that cannot be replaced through distance learning. A lot of colleges that did not have distance learning programs previously had to rush to adapt. I would imagine in the coming months many of these online programs will restructure and become better to compete with the programs that have been doing distance learning for years.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Part of the reason people pay 70K/year for college is for the experience - the events, the sports, the campus life. Without that, I'm not sure it is worth the money. It's hard because if you KNEW that it would only be one semester then maybe that would be okay with you. But right now, we don't know how many years this will continue. My heart breaks for current high school seniors who got into the college they wanted and now are all still in limbo about what will happen and how to plan for it.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I wouldn't be surprised if grades school continue distant learning until the New Year.
We are going to have some very far behind, undereducated kids if thats the case.
And January isn't going to be any different. Height of winter and sickness season.
Maybe all of the 2021 year should just be remote in that case.
Nothing is changing in January.
See, I don't think that is quite the case. It's only about a year or so. There is a really interesting "theory" Theory
that has not been proven totally, but it makes total sense to me (usually against dangerous science, but this one seems harmless).
There are countries that have gone through wars for years and they come out ok. The kids will be alright. And Gen Z is pretty tech savvy. I trust them with my old age.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
I wouldn't worry about grade school. Schools will definitely reopen because, like it or not, the economy has to reopen. Parents need childcare. The FMLA now states that you can have sick leave if kids are out of school. It just won't feasibly work in the longterm.
My prediction, colleges will see drastic decreases in enrollment and they too will reopen.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I wouldn't worry about grade school. Schools will definitely reopen because, like it or not, the economy has to reopen. Parents need childcare. The FMLA now states that you can have sick leave if kids are out of school. It just won't feasibly work in the longterm.
My prediction, colleges will see drastic decreases in enrollment and they too will reopen.
This. Whether children can receive an adequate education remotely or not, the fact is that people need schools open for childcare. I know that teachers (and I am a teacher) always complain about being looked at as babysitters. But, to an extent, we are. We are educators first, but it is also child care. Schools are ESSENTIAL to a functioning economy.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
As someone currently funding and witnessing the online teaching, I can tell you for certain it is not what I anticipated when we agreed to pay exorbitant tuition for my SD's education. Yes, she is in an extremely competitive program and regardless of what happens, she will get a good job based upon the reputation of the program but I'm still annoyed. She's not learning jack right now. I see what's going on. When she's at school, she has labs, studio and lectures and all sorts of obligations. She doesn't have the tools she needs at home to do what she would normally do at school. (I should say she is in engineering).
Also to respond to a previous post, I didn't call the professors "self deserving". I called them "self indulging". What I am overhearing is self important boasting. I don't know if this is normal for her program or people trying to keep their jobs. But as someone who graduated law school taught by lawyers who I perceived to be egomaniacs, this is a whole new level.
And let me tell you...we have not been offered any financial break, a discount, a refund, nothing They keep the dorms technically open so that they can say housing and the food plan are available Meanwhile, she has been here since 3/1. Not even half the semester was there. It's bull sh!t.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
As someone currently funding and witnessing the online teaching, I can tell you for certain it is not what I anticipated when we agreed to pay exorbitant tuition for my SD's education. Yes, she is in an extremely competitive program and regardless of what happens, she will get a good job based upon the reputation of the program but I'm still annoyed. She's not learning jack right now. I see what's going on. When she's at school, she has labs, studio and lectures and all sorts of obligations. She doesn't have the tools she needs at home to do what she would normally do at school. (I should say she is in engineering).
Also to respond to a previous post, I didn't call the professors "self deserving". I called them "self indulging". What I am overhearing is self important boasting. I don't know if this is normal for her program or people trying to keep their jobs. But as someone who graduated law school taught by lawyers who I perceived to be egomaniacs, this is a whole new level.
And let me tell you...we have not been offered any financial break, a discount, a refund, nothing They keep the dorms technically open so that they can say housing and the food plan are available Meanwhile, she has been here since 3/1. Not even half the semester was there. It's bull sh!t.
And the teachers, adjuncts, professors (you should really reserve the last for those that really are professors; you are giving all professors a bad name here) didn’t sign on for this as well. So complain to the university...
Self indulgent, self deserving, whatever. It was still a rude comment. You have no clue what we are dealing with now. Just because the tuition is 65K doesn’t mean you get whatever you want in a crisis, especially education. Pull her out of the program for a year (ask for a discount) and she will be fine if you are that unhappy. We are ALL having a hard time.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
As someone currently funding and witnessing the online teaching, I can tell you for certain it is not what I anticipated when we agreed to pay exorbitant tuition for my SD's education. Yes, she is in an extremely competitive program and regardless of what happens, she will get a good job based upon the reputation of the program but I'm still annoyed. She's not learning jack right now. I see what's going on. When she's at school, she has labs, studio and lectures and all sorts of obligations. She doesn't have the tools she needs at home to do what she would normally do at school. (I should say she is in engineering).
Also to respond to a previous post, I didn't call the professors "self deserving". I called them "self indulging". What I am overhearing is self important boasting. I don't know if this is normal for her program or people trying to keep their jobs. But as someone who graduated law school taught by lawyers who I perceived to be egomaniacs, this is a whole new level.
And let me tell you...we have not been offered any financial break, a discount, a refund, nothing They keep the dorms technically open so that they can say housing and the food plan are available Meanwhile, she has been here since 3/1. Not even half the semester was there. It's bull sh!t.
See I think that’s wrong that they didn’t refund you a portion of the housing costs being that they are not using it. I’d definitely complain about that. I can understand still paying tuition since technically the coursework is now online.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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See I think that’s wrong that they didn’t refund you a portion of the housing costs being that they are not using it. I’d definitely complain about that. I can understand still paying tuition since technically the coursework is now online.
At my university, the dorms are still open bc a lot of students were unable to make it home. So they have the dorms and food halls (limited capacity) running to make sure they’re safe and able to live day-to-day.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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See I think that’s wrong that they didn’t refund you a portion of the housing costs being that they are not using it. I’d definitely complain about that. I can understand still paying tuition since technically the coursework is now online.
At my university, the dorms are still open bc a lot of students were unable to make it home. So they have the dorms and food halls (limited capacity) running to make sure they’re safe and able to live day-to-day.
Yeah I know some students probably can’t make it home, but I know of one local university who did partial refunds to those students in housing that left to go home. I think that’s the right thing to do being that they are not living in the dorms or eating on campus.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
As someone currently funding and witnessing the online teaching, I can tell you for certain it is not what I anticipated when we agreed to pay exorbitant tuition for my SD's education. Yes, she is in an extremely competitive program and regardless of what happens, she will get a good job based upon the reputation of the program but I'm still annoyed. She's not learning jack right now. I see what's going on. When she's at school, she has labs, studio and lectures and all sorts of obligations. She doesn't have the tools she needs at home to do what she would normally do at school. (I should say she is in engineering).
No, I see what you're saying. I meant it more as knowing the semester will be online in advance and agreeing to attend. I would be livid to pay $65k in your SD's situation.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by LuckyStar
I don't know, I don't really see what the big deal is. Lots of reputable schools offer online programs. It's not ideal but if I were in college I certainly wouldn't put myself a semester behind because of this. They'll also save on room and board fees.
This is assuming the tuition can be paid at all. Of course if the student can no longer afford the tuition then a break is needed.
ETA: what is a college student supposed to do all semester? Sit in their parents' basement and play video games?
As someone currently funding and witnessing the online teaching, I can tell you for certain it is not what I anticipated when we agreed to pay exorbitant tuition for my SD's education. Yes, she is in an extremely competitive program and regardless of what happens, she will get a good job based upon the reputation of the program but I'm still annoyed. She's not learning jack right now. I see what's going on. When she's at school, she has labs, studio and lectures and all sorts of obligations. She doesn't have the tools she needs at home to do what she would normally do at school. (I should say she is in engineering).
Also to respond to a previous post, I didn't call the professors "self deserving". I called them "self indulging". What I am overhearing is self important boasting. I don't know if this is normal for her program or people trying to keep their jobs. But as someone who graduated law school taught by lawyers who I perceived to be egomaniacs, this is a whole new level.
And let me tell you...we have not been offered any financial break, a discount, a refund, nothing They keep the dorms technically open so that they can say housing and the food plan are available Meanwhile, she has been here since 3/1. Not even half the semester was there. It's bull sh!t.
And the teachers, adjuncts, professors (you should really reserve the last for those that really are professors; you are giving all professors a bad name here) didn’t sign on for this as well. So complain to the university...
Self indulgent, self deserving, whatever. It was still a rude comment. You have no clue what we are dealing with now. Just because the tuition is 65K doesn’t mean you get whatever you want in a crisis, especially education. Pull her out of the program for a year (ask for a discount) and she will be fine if you are that unhappy. We are ALL having a hard time.
I have no doubt it's a huge adjustment and very difficult for you as professors. I see/hear what our elementary school teachers are dealing with and it's a lot. I get it. But when you are paying $32K a semester, it's a tough pill to swallow and my expectations for them are far greater than the public school response. Is it fair, probably not, but I expected more out of a university that did nothing but pat itself on the back when we sat through orientation. (Then again this is the same school that was allowing all those racist and anti-semetic shenanigans to go on last semester so why I had any expectations was just dumb on my part). We can complain all we want but what's that going to do? Surely nothing that will benefit my SD so we are just going to have to take it on the chin for her benefit.
I wish I had the capability of uploading a video of one of the professors here so you can see for yourself what exactly I'm talking about when I say self indulging. He's like the Donald Trump of engineering professors.
She is supposed to sign a lease for an off campus apartment for next year but now we don't know what is happening. I don't want to be paying for housing when she can still be here doing what she is doing now.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
I don't understand why you can't just not enroll her for next semester? Isn't there a cut off date? Speak to admin about that. You shouldn't be paying for things you aren't using.
I get you are unhappy about this semester, and the professors, adjuncts, lecturers, etc. were probably like that from the beginning. Zoom doesn't make them that horrible. However, you have some control about the next semester.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by klingklang77
I don't understand why you can't just not enroll her for next semester? Isn't there a cut off date? Speak to admin about that. You shouldn't be paying for things you aren't using.
I get you are unhappy about this semester, and the professors, adjuncts, lecturers, etc. were probably like that from the beginning. Zoom doesn't make them that horrible. However, you have some control about the next semester.
I don't know the exact lingo for it but basically she is in a dedicated program. She had to apply separately to get in to that specific program. She doesn't really get to choose classes other than some electives. I think if we insisted she defer it could jeopardize her spot in the program because then she would be behind her peers.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by frosty
I've heard whispers about it, but nothing definitive. I work at Stony Brook University and am also affiliated with a university in Illinois. SBU has moved all of their summer courses online. I haven't heard anything about the fall semester yet.
I work at SBU too!
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by ali120206
I saw an article that Boston University was the first to announce that they may not open until January but, they haven't firmly made that decision yet - just that it's a possibility.
I heard this about Boston also.t
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Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
If I had a senior I would probably have them take next year off and figure out an alternative plan or just have them enroll in a community college for the semester.
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Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
My daughter is in a 5 year PA program and cannot drop out for a single semester. I think LuckyStar's SD is in a similar program. She must stay with her cohort in order to advance into the masters program at the appropriate time. Additionally, some kids may lose scholarships without consecutive full time attendance.
My daughters college did refund a portion of room and board. Unfortunately for us, she was living in an off campus house and we were locked into a lease and had to continue paying while she was not living there.
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Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
My university sent an email over the weekend that said they still haven't decided what they're going to do for Fall.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
This. Also I think some college fear that once an announcement that Fall will be online I think that will change their enrollment a lot, for the worse. I know that if I had a graduating senior I would not want to pay 50k plus a year tuition for my kid to sit at home learning online. I would probably opt for a community college at that point.
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