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chanmar
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
He def. went over the top with the cursing, and threatening her,and hitting her so much but Personally I used to get hit with a belt (On rare occasion), and even the wooden spoon. Whatever I did wrong, I never did again, I See nothing wrong with spanking my kids, Not beating them, but if reasoning and punishment do not work, a smack on the leg will certainly get there attention. But again, In the video He def. went over the top.
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
I watched the video and was appalled! After reading some of the articles I found out that this judge was mainly preceding in cases involving children and found this:
'In a court judgement last October, Judge Adams said that a child's statements 'amounted to no evidence' despite the fact the child's words had been confirmed by third party witnesses and recorded on video several times.
The young person had also been interviewed by a child psychologist who believed the child.
Judge Adams also agreed with a lawyer who claimed all children are 'fantasisers' and their testimony should just be ignored.'
There is clearly something wrong with this man and he should be behind bars not on the bench!!
The girl said that she didn't come out with the video sooner because she feared what would happen to her little sister who is in custody of her father.
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| Posted 11/4/11 12:18 PM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by chanmar
He def. went over the top with the cursing, and threatening her,and hitting her so much but Personally I used to get hit with a belt (On rare occasion), and even the wooden spoon. Whatever I did wrong, I never did again, I See nothing wrong with spanking my kids, Not beating them, but if reasoning and punishment do not work, a smack on the leg will certainly get there attention. But again, In the video He def. went over the top.
You wouldn't be able to hit your neighbor with a belt or a wooden spoon without some legal repercussions. Why shouldn't children be afford the same respect from their parents? I don't understand why it is ever okay to hit your child with a belt but that same person would never allow that to be done to them without calling it assault or abuse.
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| Posted 11/4/11 12:25 PM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
I am not a proponent of beating children. I have given my kids a swat here and there with my hand and feel terrible afterwards so I really don't do it at all. He was not giving her a "spanking" IMO that was torture. I guarantee she had welts all along her legs, hips and bottom.
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| Posted 11/4/11 12:36 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by MrsS1976
I dont know why this is getting so much attention,,,it must be a slow news day over at CNN for them to make this one of their front page stories.. Sure its sad and painful to watch that video but there are so many worse injustices out in the world right now that dont involve a parent hitting their child with a belt because they were disobedient in the house..
I dunno...I just think the backlash is a little crazy..in my parents and grandparents generation, they used to say "spare the rod, spoil the child" and if a child would disobey their parents, they would get a belt lashing..and its not like these parents were hauled into jail for doing that..
I dunno..its a little over the top for these reactions and I find it really suspicious that his daughter sat on the tape for SEVEN years, and chose to live with her father after their divorce...What he did was horrible, but what she is doing really isn't any better either.
really?
Here's a list from my friends' families what was ok to do in the olden days:
-stand at attention for hours until he fainted (9 years old) because he didn't take out the garbage when asked.
-held his hands over an open flame to teach him for touching his dad's albums (7 years old)
-strapped him down to a snowmobile in their garage & beat him with a strap until he passed out. I don't know what the offense was for this one (10 years old)
-made my friend's sister eat her own vomit after she got car sick.
-multiple fractures & broken bones over the years as a result of "teaching his kids to behave"
As for the daughter choosing to live with the abusive dad, guess who the kids in the above family chose to live with? Yup. The dad. Why? Because even though he was physically & psychologically abusive, they didn't have to deal with the emotional wreck of a mother. In his words "I knew I could take a beating, but I couldn't take my mom telling me that she loved me while she screamed at me."
There as a lot of things that were acceptable to do back in the day that aren't acceptable now. It's not because we're soft on children. It's because WE KNOW BETTER NOW.
Why is illegal for someone to whip someone else with a belt but it's ok for someone to assault their own child?
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| Posted 11/4/11 12:39 PM |
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dm24angel
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Some of the responses on this thread break my heart ...
Every LIFE is important and this was abuse. Not a spanking..ABUSE.
There is no justifying abuse. Not EVER.
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| Posted 11/4/11 12:41 PM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by bookworm
What child is able to defend themselves against a beating, disabled or not? Even if they are physically capable of fighting off an adult, there are legal, psychological, and economic factors that make them victims of their parents' will.
I don't want to get into an argument as if I said it's okay to beat the girl. It's not. I just think the focus should be on abuse and not the abuse of THIS GIRL by THIS MAN. It pales in comparison to what's really going on in the world.
I don't want to argue with you either, and I did see that you said it was definitely not OK. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is the idea that the media should not focus on this (and you are not the only one saying this.) I guess I see it differently, but I feel like, this is the perfect guy to focus on - he is in a position of power, probably has a buck or two and is someone people would not expect to be an abuser. I think this story highlights, as a PP said, that abuse touches all groups of society.
I won't watch the video. If that makes my opinion less valued, so be it. And I might have been oversensitive to the comment about CP, I have someone very close to me who has CP and I can't imagine her trying to defend herself in a situation like that.
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| Posted 11/4/11 1:16 PM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by dm24angel
Some of the responses on this thread break my heart ...
Every LIFE is important and this was abuse. Not a spanking..ABUSE.
There is no justifying abuse. Not EVER.
I absolutely agree with you. How can anyone defend this man in any form? What he did was disgusting, bottom line.
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| Posted 11/4/11 1:28 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
This is completely off topic & again, I am in no way trying to minimize the beating - whether his daughter had CP or not but...
I know people with CP.
The daughter doesn't strike me as having CP or maybe she has it so minimally?
Did anyone else think that?
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| Posted 11/4/11 1:43 PM |
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Jennifer
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
When i saw this last night I was practically in tears and outraged. I could only hope someone gives him the same punishment by someone bigger and stronger than him and then see if he suffers any damage.
It is so sad to think that this goes on EVERY day and people think that is ok.
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MrsS1976
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Before more people jump down my throat, let me clarify that I am in NO way defending the father's actions. He could have handled the issue differentlt that didnt involve inflicting physical pain on her, like grounding her for a month, removing internet privileges, etc... I dont support corporal punishment as a form of disciplining children, but I find it a bit over the top how the media *has* blown this out of proportion to the point where the public sees the first 3 minutes of that clip and want to run out and kill the father!! I also noticed that the CNN article didn't even mention the girl's CP condition, which was either an oversight or the CP was so mild that the author i didn't think it was worthy of mention...
FWIW, he is getting investigated by the county/state judicial ethics committee so there will be backlash for him - but I cant help but be rather worried about how parents are raising children in an environment where any type of disciplinary actions by parents, (like spanking a disobedient child), is seen to be as 'abusive'. Just for the sake of debate, at what point do we label parental discipline as abusive, and where do we draw the line? I can see in this case, the father's spanking was extreme - but what about in cases where kids are literally running around the neighborhood destroying property, or downloading programs full of identity-stealing viruses that compromise the family's entire financial security, etc? Should parents just scold their child and hope that convey the message, or hope that removing their intenet access or allowance will teach them the lesson? Or should they inflict physical harm because thats the only way the child will get the message?
If the video hasn't portrayed him ranting and raving like a lunatic for over 6 minutes, nor his ex-wife also joining in the act, would the reaction have been the same?
Its just food for thought.
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by MrsS1976
Before more people jump down my throat, let me clarify that I am in NO way defending the father's actions. He could have handled the issue differentlt that didnt involve inflicting physical pain on her, like grounding her for a month, removing internet privileges, etc... I dont support corporal punishment as a form of disciplining children, but I find it a bit over the top how the media *has* blown this out of proportion to the point where the public sees the first 3 minutes of that clip and want to run out and kill the father!! I also noticed that the CNN article didn't even mention the girl's CP condition, which was either an oversight or the CP was so mild that the author i didn't think it was worthy of mention...
FWIW, he is getting investigated by the county/state judicial ethics committee so there will be backlash for him - but I cant help but be rather worried about how parents are raising children in an environment where any type of disciplinary actions by parents, (like spanking a disobedient child), is seen to be as 'abusive'. Just for the sake of debate, at what point do we label parental discipline as abusive, and where do we draw the line? I can see in this case, the father's spanking was extreme - but what about in cases where kids are literally running around the neighborhood destroying property, or downloading programs full of identity-stealing viruses that compromise the family's entire financial security, etc? Should parents just scold their child and hope that convey the message, or hope that removing their intenet access or allowance will teach them the lesson? Or should they inflict physical harm because thats the only way the child will get the message?
If the video hasn't portrayed him ranting and raving like a lunatic for over 6 minutes, nor his ex-wife also joining in the act, would the reaction have been the same?
Its just food for thought.
This isn't spanking - it's BEATING. I don't think there is every an argument for beating a child or another person. PERIOD!
There is a gray line where some forms of corporal punishment become abuse cross. That is why I would never use corporal punishment as disciplinary method. You may say - sure - your children are young and say that when you are older. I have worked with very troubled youth - where I was basically the "mother" figure of the house. There are several ways to disciple behavior - none of which involved a belt.
Thank GOD this video came to light and he is being investigated. After hearing some of his dissertation on cases he presided over - he should be disbarred.. It makes me sick to my stomach that he sent children back in to the hands of people who abused them with a claim that their "allegations" were fantasies. This is a sick and depraved man.
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| Posted 11/4/11 3:35 PM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Of course what he did was wrong, no question. But, I also think it was wrong for the daughter to post this online for the public to see. The matter could have been handled privately with the authorities.
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| Posted 11/5/11 8:16 AM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by nrthshgrl
This is completely off topic & again, I am in no way trying to minimize the beating - whether his daughter had CP or not but...
I know people with CP.
The daughter doesn't strike me as having CP or maybe she has it so minimally?
Did anyone else think that?
I saw this too. I watched the interview on the Today show and she didn't have any obvious looking disability. I don't know anything about her form of cp though.
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| Posted 11/5/11 8:58 AM |
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Porrruss
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by MrsS1976
Before more people jump down my throat, let me clarify that I am in NO way defending the father's actions. He could have handled the issue differentlt that didnt involve inflicting physical pain on her, like grounding her for a month, removing internet privileges, etc... I dont support corporal punishment as a form of disciplining children, but I find it a bit over the top how the media *has* blown this out of proportion to the point where the public sees the first 3 minutes of that clip and want to run out and kill the father!! I also noticed that the CNN article didn't even mention the girl's CP condition, which was either an oversight or the CP was so mild that the author i didn't think it was worthy of mention...
FWIW, he is getting investigated by the county/state judicial ethics committee so there will be backlash for him - but I cant help but be rather worried about how parents are raising children in an environment where any type of disciplinary actions by parents, (like spanking a disobedient child), is seen to be as 'abusive'. Just for the sake of debate, at what point do we label parental discipline as abusive, and where do we draw the line? I can see in this case, the father's spanking was extreme - but what about in cases where kids are literally running around the neighborhood destroying property, or downloading programs full of identity-stealing viruses that compromise the family's entire financial security, etc? Should parents just scold their child and hope that convey the message, or hope that removing their intenet access or allowance will teach them the lesson? Or should they inflict physical harm because thats the only way the child will get the message?
If the video hasn't portrayed him ranting and raving like a lunatic for over 6 minutes, nor his ex-wife also joining in the act, would the reaction have been the same?
Its just food for thought.
This SHOULD be blown up by the media! This was NOT a spanking to reprimand, this was a BEATING. She wasn't fighting back, she was cowering and crying. I totally get there always has to be a devil's advocate, but there is NO excuse for a beating like this- I just can't get how anyone could think what this video portrayed is OK???!?
And to answer your last question, no there likely WOULDN'T have been the same public reaction if it hadn't gone on for SEVEN MINUTES.
I'm not flaming you as you're entitled to your opinion, but MY opinion is that you are REEEEEEEEEEEEALLLY reaching by trying to compare what occurred on that video to a disciplinary spanking.
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| Posted 11/5/11 11:23 AM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Posted by ChilisWife
Of course what he did was wrong, no question. But, I also think it was wrong for the daughter to post this online for the public to see. The matter could have been handled privately with the authorities.
I disagree. This man sits on cases about child abuse. I think every single person that has, and would have potentially come through his court room has a right to see what a monster he is. I don't care what his daughter's "motive" is/was.
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I just saw this video for the first time, and I'm sorry I did. It was incredibly disturbing on many different levels.
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| Posted 11/7/11 3:19 PM |
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tara73
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
I wonder how many children were forced to stay with abusers because of this judge's rulings? I can't imaging him taking a child out of a home because they were being "disciplined" like he does his daughter.
He was a family court judge who beat his child. It was not one or two lashes or a spanking. He kept returning to hit her harder and harder, threatening to hit her in the face. He was irate and acting like a lunatic.
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| Posted 11/7/11 4:04 PM |
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MrsKS
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
Wow! both the man and woman are to blame.
and kudos for the girl for taping it to catch is asss... i just wish she posted it earlier to end this crap sooner. but i understand, she is the victim.
there's nothing in the world that this POS could say to defend himself or justify his actions.
i havent' watched the video yet. not sure if i will. i can do with out the image in my head.
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| Posted 11/7/11 7:44 PM |
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Re: Judge William Adams Beating Of Teen With Cerebral Palsy Sparks Outrage
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Posted by nrthshgrl
This is completely off topic & again, I am in no way trying to minimize the beating - whether his daughter had CP or not but...
I know people with CP.
The daughter doesn't strike me as having CP or maybe she has it so minimally?
Did anyone else think that?
I saw this too. I watched the interview on the Today show and she didn't have any obvious looking disability. I don't know anything about her form of cp though.
CP touches close to my heart. My niece has it. And her case is probably seen as mild by most. I think with CP, a lot of people immediately think of wheelchairs, etc. My niece can walk, talk, etc. But it definitely effects a lot of her abilities... if not all of them. Adults who meet her usually don't know she has anything wrong with her. But she has daily struggles due to the CP. She has a hard time seeing any peripheral vision at all... and because of this it's hard for her to walk down stairs. she can't see what's on the floor infront of her and will walk right into it. her motor skills are not the same as someone without CP. I won't go on and on listing each thing wrong with her bc of CP.... my point is... a person can have a very many issues stemming from CP and unless you know the person you might not see them. I wouldn't sum up her level of CP based on this video or even an interview. You would need a much larger window into someone's life to be able to see how CP affects that person.
CP or not... this was still serious abuse and should be seen as such.
I wouldn't ever even question her CP. If she has it, she has it.... sometimes you just can't see a disability so easily.
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