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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by AngnShaun
maybe she can give evidence that it was premeditated? wouldnt that make the charges harsher?
That's what I'm thinking. He is charged with 1st degree murder and the prosecution will have to show he had every full intention of murdering them the moment he stepped foot in the pharmacy. So perhaps the wife can help? Who knows.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by lipglossjunky73
What would have happened if someone was with their child going into the drugstore?  
I thought the same exact thing. Sadly I think he would have done the same as he did to the others. This guy is a monster.
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| Posted 6/23/11 1:51 PM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by Livysmom
Posted by lipglossjunky73
What would have happened if someone was with their child going into the drugstore?
I thought the same exact thing. Sadly I think he would have done the same as he did to the others. This guy is a monster.
No doubt, he was trying to cover his tracks
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
I think her testimony and ballistics are going to be what proves it. The surveillance photos are not hard evidence, as much as everyone wants to believe it's him.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by greenfreak
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
The fingerprints were searched in a database for gun permits that the county has. I read they matched those up to the type of weapon used. (You need to list the handguns on your permit when you get it). So I'm sure that, including the fact that he had previously gotten those kinds of pills at that store, so records of his name, helped.
You cross match names, start investigating.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by sleepie76
What is the protocol for that ? Im sure the pharmacists are not going to risk their life, no need for him to kill them. DISGUSTING
I remember working at the bank we were told if you are robbed, you hand over the money. end of story
Same protocol as the bank...give it to them.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I heard on News12 this morning that they said David Laffer is not cooperating, but his wife is.
So I'm guessing she will get some type of deal or plea in return for helping build a stronger case against the husband.
She was pretty quick to throw him right under the bus.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by AngnShaun
maybe she can give evidence that it was premeditated? wouldnt that make the charges harsher?
That's what I'm thinking. He is charged with 1st degree murder and the prosecution will have to show he had every full intention of murdering them the moment he stepped foot in the pharmacy. So perhaps the wife can help? Who knows.
If she knew anything about it, she'd be an accessory.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by neener1211
You cross match names, start investigating.
Thanks! I thought people were insinuating that they found his prints at the pharmacy counter, trying to link him through that.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by greenfreak
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
I think her testimony and ballistics are going to be what proves it. The surveillance photos are not hard evidence, as much as everyone wants to believe it's him.
The have the murders on tape, how is that not hard evidence
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by neener1211
You cross match names, start investigating.
Thanks! I thought people were insinuating that they found his prints at the pharmacy counter, trying to link him through that.
If he took a container of pills his prints should be found behind the counter
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neener1211
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by neener1211
You cross match names, start investigating.
Thanks! I thought people were insinuating that they found his prints at the pharmacy counter, trying to link him through that.
If he took a container of pills his prints should be found behind the counter
I would think (and hope) pills would be inventoried at the pharmacy as well, with codes. If they find the codes on the bottles of pills in his house, and they match the pharmacy records...bingo.
There are so many angles they can use, I'm sure.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
OMG... Melinda Brady, was waiting outside in the car...
So they went there to kill for drugs... Sorry all, I'm not getting this on my local news... So all my info is coming from here...
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
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Posted by greenfreak
Posted by neener1211
You cross match names, start investigating.
Thanks! I thought people were insinuating that they found his prints at the pharmacy counter, trying to link him through that.
If he took a container of pills his prints should be found behind the counter
I would think (and hope) pills would be inventoried at the pharmacy as well, with codes. If they find the codes on the bottles of pills in his house, and they match the pharmacy records...bingo.
There are so many angles they can use, I'm sure.
Good point - I'm sure the hard stuff is tracked.
Maybe we need to cut back on the number of pharmacies carrying the hard stuff. Does EVERY shop in EVERY town need to have this stuff on hand?
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by AngnShaun
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Posted by MrsPJB2007
I heard on News12 this morning that they said David Laffer is not cooperating, but his wife is.
So I'm guessing she will get some type of deal or plea in return for helping build a stronger case against the husband.
Do we need him to cooperate?
He's captured on film, his gun was used, his print was recovered
Screw both of them, no deals!
maybe she can give evidence that it was premeditated? wouldnt that make the charges harsher?
The fact that he left the house with his registered gun in his backpack, and a "disguise" on probably makes it premeditated.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by sleepie76
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Was she (the wife) at the pharmacy with the? What is she being charged with?
Supposedly she drove him there and back.
She is being charged with robbery, she must be cooperating with police.
THAT SICKENS ME!!!
she drove him there, knew he had a gun, she should get charged with the murders as well. Regardless of cooperation.
If he walked into that pharmacy, showed the gun...
wouldnt the pharmacy had handed over prescription drugs? There was no need to kill 4 people to get your drugs.
What is the protocol for that ? Im sure the pharmacists are not going to risk their life, no need for him to kill them. DISGUSTING
I remember working at the bank we were told if you are robbed, you hand over the money. end of story
These are just initial charges. They are basically enough to arrest her and keep her in custody. The DA will now begin their investigation and charges will be added, dropped increased ...whatever they think they can go to trial with
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by greenfreak
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
I think her testimony and ballistics are going to be what proves it. The surveillance photos are not hard evidence, as much as everyone wants to believe it's him.
The have the murders on tape, how is that not hard evidence
i am thinking she meant that since the guy on the tape is in disguise how do you really know its him.
Cause i ceartinly would have never thought it was him but at the same time I am never really good at realizing that someone looks like someone else (if that makes sense)
and of course though i havent seen the whole vidoe so maybe it really does look like him
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by greenfreak
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
I think her testimony and ballistics are going to be what proves it. The surveillance photos are not hard evidence, as much as everyone wants to believe it's him.
The have the murders on tape, how is that not hard evidence
Because a good attorney could raise reasonable doubt since he was wearing a disguise and it isn't like a video is 100% accurate.
The video can be used as corroborating evidence with the finger prints, the drug's (if they are found) etc but it isn't definitive proof. Even an eye witness isn't 100%.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I heard on News12 this morning that they said David Laffer is not cooperating, but his wife is.
So I'm guessing she will get some type of deal or plea in return for helping build a stronger case against the husband.
she cant testify against him though in a trial b/c they are married..is that correct? (or they cant force her to testify if they are married?)
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
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Posted by greenfreak
What are the details on the fingerprints? If they were regular shoppers at the pharmacy, they can claim it's not sufficient evidence.
I think her testimony and ballistics are going to be what proves it. The surveillance photos are not hard evidence, as much as everyone wants to believe it's him.
The have the murders on tape, how is that not hard evidence
Because a good attorney could raise reasonable doubt since he was wearing a disguise and it isn't like a video is 100% accurate.
The video can be used as corroborating evidence with the finger prints, the drug's (if they are found) etc but it isn't definitive proof. Even an eye witness isn't 100%.
Yup, that's what I meant. Everyone thinks it's him on the video, but how can you prove that beyond the shadow of the doubt? You can't. Not without a scar or birthmark or something.
The sum of the other evidence will be what convicts him, provided it's not tampered with. Good point about the possibility of finding the bottles in their possession, with his fingerprints on them. Hopefully they find his clothes with ballistics evidence on them too.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by lipglossjunky73
What would have happened if someone was with their child going into the drugstore?
The same thing I am sure. He would have no respect for any life as it's quite obvious that he was so violent with these innocent people. And honestly, I don't see a child's life as any more important or valuable than these people (I don't meant that in a bad way so please no one twist my words). Age doesn't matter. ALL LIVES LOST were innocent lives regardless of age. They were all as defenseless as children in this situation. They did not stand a chance to this animal. That's all that matters.
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
I am so overwhelmed with this story. I was a 2009 LIW bride and remember a few of her posts. How can anyone take life like that or be an accessory to a taking of life like that? Earthly punishment is not enough. I pray that there is a hell in which these kinds of people burn - for all eternity.
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I agree with no bail. I think he's a flight risk and that bail on a case like this would have been ridiculous.
However we feel about the bruises on his face, I do think that there is a risk of a police brutality allegation. I think that risk increases if, for any reason, this is not the guy (though I realize they have the right guy).
The wife cooperating does not sit right with me. The way she spoke during her perp walk was a bit weird. She wants to hide some part of her own involvement, perhaps her part in planning. Maybe it's the lawyer in me but she should have said nothing then but she could still have cooperated at police HQ. What is she, like thinking about a book deal already? Something is fishy and more than the usual something fishy. I can't put my finger on it.
As much as I think that these 2 are slime, I still do not like the perp walks, where they parade defendants for the media. In a case like this, find a way to let the families spit at these people but I still hate the parading for the press. Robert Gottlieb is a well known lawyer who wants to put an end to the media display of the perp walk and I have to agree. It's more common in NY than anywhere else. It's considered prejudicial for a defendant to be arraigned in handcuffs but the police can parade them around in handcuffs. They actually tip off the media as to where the person will be and when so it is not just a matter of having to transport someone.
And believe me, I am really not taking a liberal stance on this case. Let this guy FRY but do it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
What would have happened if someone was with their child going into the drugstore?
The same thing I am sure. He would have no respect for any life as it's quite obvious that he was so violent with these innocent people. And honestly, I don't see a child's life as any more important or valuable than these people (I don't meant that in a bad way so please no one twist my words). Age doesn't matter. ALL LIVES LOST were innocent lives regardless of age. They were all as defenseless as children in this situation. They did not stand a chance to this animal. That's all that matters.
I agree. It's just the thought of a child with his or her parent doing something he or she does everyday, with complete trust in the situation, that really gets to me!!!
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Re: Laffer - more details from NYTimes
Posted by lipglossjunky73
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
What would have happened if someone was with their child going into the drugstore?
The same thing I am sure. He would have no respect for any life as it's quite obvious that he was so violent with these innocent people. And honestly, I don't see a child's life as any more important or valuable than these people (I don't meant that in a bad way so please no one twist my words). Age doesn't matter. ALL LIVES LOST were innocent lives regardless of age. They were all as defenseless as children in this situation. They did not stand a chance to this animal. That's all that matters.
I agree. It's just the thought of a child with his or her parent doing something he or she does everyday, with complete trust in the situation, that really gets to me!!!
I understand what you mean. But when I hear people say things like that, it makes me sad b/c everyone who died was "someone's child".
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