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LIRascal
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Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Many people on both sides of the aisle found it shocking and disturbing, and she ended up apologizing. For those who haven't seen it yet, Griffin was Holding a mask of Donald Trump that was bloodied and beaten as if she had beheaded him. She's wearing a ***** bow blouse.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/05/30/kathy-griffin-beheads-donald-trump-photo-tyler-shields/
While this is without a doubt in poor taste, people are saying it could incite violence against Trump.
Does anyone remember the pictures of an Obama effigy lynched?
Do you guys think she just went too far and it was a stupid mistake or do you feel that it's punishable?
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EricaAlt
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
I think she definitely went too far. While I'm not a fan of him, I don't want the man beheaded or even hurt. Although bc it's Kathy Griffin I take it with a grain of salt. She's totally irrelevant lately and I think she did it for the attention or shock value. She got what she wanted... suddenly she's all over the news and went on to quickly apologize. Whenever she's out of the spotlight for a while she comes up with something stupid to stay afloat.
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| Posted 5/31/17 8:12 AM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by EricaAlt
I think she definitely went too far. While I'm not a fan of him, I don't want the man beheaded or even hurt. Although bc it's Kathy Griffin I take it with a grain of salt. She's totally irrelevant lately and I think she did it for the attention or shock value. She got what she wanted... suddenly she's all over the news and went on to quickly apologize. Whenever she's out of the spotlight for a while she comes up with something stupid to stay afloat.
ITA. It definitely wasn't a mistake. She's been in the business far too long to not know exactly what she was doing, and the repercussions from what she did.
I like her as a comedian, but even having an obvious caricature of a living person's head (or effigy, etc) is too far, IMO.
Ridicule and belittle him all you want, just keep the vague (or not so vague) innuendos of death out of it.
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ohbaby08
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Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
She definitely took it way too far.
However, she was adult enough to apologize that very night. Still waiting on Trump to apologize for the whole birther thing, among other things.
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| Posted 5/31/17 10:01 AM |
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JennZ
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Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
I hate him and her equally, this was in poor taste, bigly.
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| Posted 5/31/17 10:56 AM |
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MrsA1012
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Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Poor taste , doesn't help the cause at all.
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| Posted 5/31/17 11:07 AM |
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Terrible. But at the same time it underlines the hypocrisy of the right- how many times have we seen Obama hanging from trees? Granted, those were not from celebs but I don't recall ever seeing condemnation for it.
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| Posted 5/31/17 11:19 AM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by MrsProfessor
Terrible. But at the same time it underlines the hypocrisy of the right- how many times have we seen Obama hanging from trees? Granted, those were not from celebs but I don't recall ever seeing condemnation for it.
Except when it was said by celebs...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266444-ted-nugent-hang-obama-and-clinton
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“Obama & Clinton, thats who. They should be tried for treason & hung. Our entire fkdup gvt must be cleansed asap.”
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Of course, Ted Nugent was severely reprimanded for that type of violent speech...
But hey, that was different because.....
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| Posted 5/31/17 1:28 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
From the Ted Nugent blog above
“What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives!,”
 
He's vile! I don't recall hearing anything about this statement.
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| Posted 5/31/17 1:59 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Melania's statement:
"As a mother, a wife, and a human being, that photo is very disturbing," Melania Trump said in a statement. "When you consider some of the atrocities happening in the world today, a photo opportunity like this is simply wrong and makes you wonder about the mental health of the person who did it
Like I said on FB. She had me till that last sentence. I mean, has she met her husband?
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:04 PM |
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Jenhos
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by MsSissy
From the Ted Nugent blog above
“What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives!,”
He's vile! I don't recall hearing anything about this statement.
I don't disagree that he is vile and people should have spoken out against what he said.. I think the difference is that he didn't suggest that someone should kill or behead Obama. I have seen woman on here calling our president some terrible things as well. People (no matter who is president) need to stop name calling and grown up. There is a way to say what Ted Nugent was trying to convey without the name calling. But then again it happens all day long on LIF so it seems to be the norm no matter what side you are on.
Kathy Griffin crossed a line by suggesting violence or death toward Trump and she was just fired by CNN for it.
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:17 PM |
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Jenhos
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by MsSissy
Melania's statement:
"As a mother, a wife, and a human being, that photo is very disturbing," Melania Trump said in a statement. "When you consider some of the atrocities happening in the world today, a photo opportunity like this is simply wrong and makes you wonder about the mental health of the person who did it
Like I said on FB. She had me till that last sentence. I mean, has she met her husband?
Regardless of what you think of her husband, she was talking directly about someone who just made reference to killing another human being. I would say people that do that have some sort of mental illness.
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:19 PM |
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jamnmore
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by MsSissy
Melania's statement:
"As a mother, a wife, and a human being, that photo is very disturbing," Melania Trump said in a statement. "When you consider some of the atrocities happening in the world today, a photo opportunity like this is simply wrong and makes you wonder about the mental health of the person who did it
Like I said on FB. She had me till that last sentence. I mean, has she met her husband?
As a mother would you be ok if it were your head in the picture and your child were to see it? Regardless of what anyone's political feelings are he is a son, husband, father and grandfather first. The picture is completely inappropriate and without a doubt went too far.
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:21 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Did I ever say I was OK with it?
My post was about her questioning someone mental health when she's married to him.
I find it disgusting what she did and have no problem with her being dropped by CNN or sponsors. She absolutely crossed a line.
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:46 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by MsSissy
From the Ted Nugent blog above
“What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives!,”
He's vile! I don't recall hearing anything about this statement.
I don't disagree that he is vile and people should have spoken out against what he said.. I think the difference is that he didn't suggest that someone should kill or behead Obama. I have seen woman on here calling our president some terrible things as well. People (no matter who is president) need to stop name calling and grown up. There is a way to say what Ted Nugent was trying to convey without the name calling. But then again it happens all day long on LIF so it seems to be the norm no matter what side you are on.
Kathy Griffin crossed a line by suggesting violence or death toward Trump and she was just fired by CNN for it.
I wasn't comparing what TN said and what KG did. I just posted something I never saw before. That's all.
And I absolutely agree that the name calling needs to stop. But that's wishful thinking. It will never end.
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JME78
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by MsSissy
From the Ted Nugent blog above
“What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives!,”
He's vile! I don't recall hearing anything about this statement.
I don't disagree that he is vile and people should have spoken out against what he said.. I think the difference is that he didn't suggest that someone should kill or behead Obama. I have seen woman on here calling our president some terrible things as well. People (no matter who is president) need to stop name calling and grown up. There is a way to say what Ted Nugent was trying to convey without the name calling. But then again it happens all day long on LIF so it seems to be the norm no matter what side you are on.
Kathy Griffin crossed a line by suggesting violence or death toward Trump and she was just fired by CNN for it.
That's not true regarding Nugent.
In January 2016, he called for both Obama and Clinton to “be tried for treason & hung.” Nugent once called Clinton a “worthless *****” and called for her to “ride one of these [guns] into the sunset.” He told Obama to “suck on my machine gun.”
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| Posted 5/31/17 2:50 PM |
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Jenhos
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by JME78
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by MsSissy
From the Ted Nugent blog above
“What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives!,”
He's vile! I don't recall hearing anything about this statement.
I don't disagree that he is vile and people should have spoken out against what he said.. I think the difference is that he didn't suggest that someone should kill or behead Obama. I have seen woman on here calling our president some terrible things as well. People (no matter who is president) need to stop name calling and grown up. There is a way to say what Ted Nugent was trying to convey without the name calling. But then again it happens all day long on LIF so it seems to be the norm no matter what side you are on.
Kathy Griffin crossed a line by suggesting violence or death toward Trump and she was just fired by CNN for it.
That's not true regarding Nugent.
In January 2016, he called for both Obama and Clinton to “be tried for treason & hung.” Nugent once called Clinton a “worthless *****” and called for her to “ride one of these [guns] into the sunset.” He told Obama to “suck on my machine gun.”
What's not true? I was responding to what was posted. Comparing the quote above to what KG did. I haven't seen those other TN quotes. I think those are disgusting as well.
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oneday
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Well, here's something from an article in The Atlantic back in 2012
- Ted Nugent -- the proud gun-owner, poorly coiffed Michigander, and washed-up rocker -- has said some silly and offensive things in the past, and not just while performing "Cat Scratch Fever." In 2007, he said the following during a concert: "Obama, he's a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary [Clinton], you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless *****."
So that's his level of political discourse. Of course, he seems to be speaking figuratively if distastefully. But he made another rather appalling statement over the weekend at the NRA convention in St. Louis:
If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.
He also recommends decapitating Democrats: "We need to ride onto that battlefield and chop their heads off in November." (The folks brandishing rifles in the background of the video above add another element of surrealism to the proceeding.) -
I know no one is trying to say what he said or the fact the there were MANY republicans and just straight up Obama Haters burning Obama figures in effigies or some of the vile posters, etc, was ok, but the fact is that Kathy Griffin did something disgusting. Something very wrong over the top. And she apologized immediately for it. And many people on the left have come out to publicly say "THIS WAS WRONG!!!" I have yet to hear an apology or even a "Well, maybe I shouldn't have" from the right. In fact, regarding The Nuge's comments, our Liar-in-Chief had this to say (in a freaking Tweet - of course!! ) :
"Ted Nugent was obviously using a figure of speech, unfortunate as it was. It just shows the anger people have towards @BarakObama"
It just feels like so much hypocrisy all the time!!
ETA - and quite frankly, I would be much more concerned that Nugent would possibly act on his words than Kathy Griffin. IMHO
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Mill188
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
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oneday
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by Mill188
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
I feel you are misunderstanding what I am saying. They are BOTH wrong. But it's the hypocrisy. Yes, you are agreeing they are both wrong. But high up people, i.e. - our so called president- only condemns Griffin but not Nugent. In fact, he waves away any wrongdoing on Nugent's part and invites him to dinner at the White House. That is MY issue with it- and I feel comfortable saying that is the bigger issue of many people. I'm glad you can admit both were wrong and disgusting. I'm glad there are people from both sides that can admit that both are wrong. But, do you not agree that the freaking "president" should be able to admit both were wrong? I'm honestly asking. Don't you think that shows something pretty "Sick or sad" about him?
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Posted by Mill188
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
I agree with you.
However the right doesn't consider TN wrong, and never has. Like the picture shows above, he's been to the White House in recent memory...
They only consider KG wrong. THAT is the issue.
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Posted by oneday
Posted by Mill188
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
I feel you are misunderstanding what I am saying. They are BOTH wrong. But it's the hypocrisy. Yes, you are agreeing they are both wrong. But high up people, i.e. - our so called president- only condemns Griffin but not Nugent. In fact, he waves away any wrongdoing on Nugent's part and invites him to dinner at the White House. That is MY issue with it- and I feel comfortable saying that is the bigger issue of many people. I'm glad you can admit both were wrong and disgusting. I'm glad there are people from both sides that can admit that both are wrong. But, do you not agree that the freaking "president" should be able to admit both were wrong? I'm honestly asking. Don't you think that shows something pretty "Sick or sad" about him?
You said it better than me, lol
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Mill188
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
Posted by oneday
Posted by Mill188
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
I feel you are misunderstanding what I am saying. They are BOTH wrong. But it's the hypocrisy. Yes, you are agreeing they are both wrong. But high up people, i.e. - our so called president- only condemns Griffin but not Nugent. In fact, he waves away any wrongdoing on Nugent's part and invites him to dinner at the White House. That is MY issue with it- and I feel comfortable saying that is the bigger issue of many people. I'm glad you can admit both were wrong and disgusting. I'm glad there are people from both sides that can admit that both are wrong. But, do you not agree that the freaking "president" should be able to admit both were wrong? I'm honestly asking. Don't you think that shows something pretty "Sick or sad" about him?
Why are you assuming I'm a Trump supporter? I'm not. Yes, EVERYONE should be appalled by what she did. There is hypocrisy everywhere. All I'm saying is I don't understand the "well it happened to Obama" excuse.
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Posted by Mill188
Why is this even a discussion?? Kathy Griffin was wrong. Ted Nugent was wrong. For people to say "well, the Republicans did it to Obama..." is quite frankly just juvenile. Like when your kid says "so-and-so's mom lets him..."
Wrong is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. She isn't any more wrong than Ted Nugent. He isn't any more wrong than she is. They both said/did F'd up things.
I feel you are misunderstanding what I am saying. They are BOTH wrong. But it's the hypocrisy. Yes, you are agreeing they are both wrong. But high up people, i.e. - our so called president- only condemns Griffin but not Nugent. In fact, he waves away any wrongdoing on Nugent's part and invites him to dinner at the White House. That is MY issue with it- and I feel comfortable saying that is the bigger issue of many people. I'm glad you can admit both were wrong and disgusting. I'm glad there are people from both sides that can admit that both are wrong. But, do you not agree that the freaking "president" should be able to admit both were wrong? I'm honestly asking. Don't you think that shows something pretty "Sick or sad" about him?
Why are you assuming I'm a Trump supporter? I'm not. Yes, EVERYONE should be appalled by what she did. There is hypocrisy everywhere. All I'm saying is I don't understand the "well it happened to Obama" excuse.
It isn't an excuse. It's reality.
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Re: Let's discuss the severed head mask incident.
I guess maybe I am not getting it but in the long run who cares? Its a picture the same things if not worse happen in movies all the time and I don't hear uproar about that.
Would have I done it, no. But I don't really care why should crap like this bother anyone. Do I think its punishable no not at all. People do a lot worse things then this and don't get punished for it.
Now if she said I am going to do this to Trump I can I guess see it being more serious.
And I would feel the same way about a picture of any other person was posted not just because its Trump.
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