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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
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What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
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What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?
No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time
Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.
Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
 Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.
A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places
ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
Yes. But this is referring to Morgan Stanley offices only in NY. Where anyone can walk in anywhere today and get a vaccine if they so choose. And where our vaccination rate is high enough for the governor to drop all restrictions.
So let the one's who chose not to get vaccinated worry about themselves and stop trying to police everyone else's health (this is directed at the companies who are doing this- not anyone on here)
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
All schools require proof of vaccines to enter kindergarten. So an employer knows you had your childhood vaccines based upon if you went to public school. They don’t need to ask for former vaccines. And if you work in healthcare an employer can and does ask for actual proof. So the argument that they don’t know about other vaccines is just false. This is a new shot, so you would not have had it in school. You are an at will employee. The will of the employer is legally weighed more than yours. So you are free to not vaccinate and they are free to fire you.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
Yes. But this is referring to Morgan Stanley offices only in NY. Where anyone can walk in anywhere today and get a vaccine if they so choose. And where our vaccination rate is high enough for the governor to drop all restrictions.
So let the one's who chose not to get vaccinated worry about themselves and stop trying to police everyone else's health (this is directed at the companies who are doing this- not anyone on here)
Numbers are so low too so anyone who is vaccinated should not be afraid.
Businesses will learn they will be losing money by forcing people to vaccinate.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by tray831
So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???
It says they’d have to stay remote.
As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.
Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.
I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
How is me being vaccinated helping a person who can't? I can still get COVID and I can still pass it along.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
Don’t think I have ever talked about if I could get vaccinated so maybe don’t attack people so quickly and assume.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
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Posted by BFNY516
Posted by tray831
So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???
It says they’d have to stay remote.
As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.
Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.
I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.
LIF is full of spoiled women who have no clue there are other jobs but their high paying ones that are able to be done remotely
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
How is me being vaccinated helping a person who can't? I can still get COVID and I can still pass it along.
Haven’t you figured it out here yet, vaccinated people, good, unvaccinated people bad and should be shamed as they are the only ones that will be able to pass along the virus.
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
How is me being vaccinated helping a person who can't? I can still get COVID and I can still pass it along.
Herd immunity protects those that cannot get vaccinated.
A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. Studies are underway to learn more about the benefits of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.
Recent update from the CDC
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Sash
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by tray831
So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???
It says they’d have to stay remote.
As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.
Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.
I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.
LIF is full of spoiled women who have no clue there are other jobs but their high paying ones that are able to be done remotely
I wouldn't call it spoiled. Most if not all women who have those higher paying jobs busted their asses to get to where they are. And not all high paying jobs can be done remotely.
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| Posted 6/23/21 1:40 PM |
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mommy2devin
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
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Posted by chilltocam
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Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?
No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time
Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.
The difference between "any other illness" and a PANDEMIC is completely lost on you. How can you not see the difference???
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| Posted 6/23/21 1:48 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Sash
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by tray831
So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???
It says they’d have to stay remote.
As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.
Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.
I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.
LIF is full of spoiled women who have no clue there are other jobs but their high paying ones that are able to be done remotely
I wouldn't call it spoiled. Most if not all women who have those higher paying jobs busted their asses to get to where they are. And not all high paying jobs can be done remotely.
This, and also the assumption that LIF is *full* of spoiled women is a bit rich, excuse the pun.
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| Posted 6/23/21 1:53 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by blu6385
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
True. However anyone who wants to get vaccinated can now be vaccinated.
So you are protected. What does it matter if the person next to you isn't?
I don't' spend ONE second worrying about those around me who may not be up to date on their measles vaccines. Because i am, so I'm safe.
I agree - to a certain extent. At this point, if someone has chosen not to get vaccinated, not my problem. BUT, the greater number of people that do get vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to develop variants. Also, (not necessarily in NY where there is a 70% vaccination rate), where there is a low vaccination rate, the possibility of having the healthcare system overrun once again, is scary and real.
But my argument which I know is mean but if hospitals get overrun then that same theory is you didn’t get vaccinated so who’s problem is that yours if you can’t get treated correctly cause hospitals won’t have room for you!
Except it's not only those with COVID that will suffer. It's the person that had a heart attack, the person in the car accident, the person who needs a kidney transplant, etc. It's not like hospitals can just say, oh, you didn't get vaccinated, go wait in the hallway while we treat everyone else and we'll see if we get to you. A high (overflow) census in a hospital effects everyone who needs hospital care.
In a global pandemic, public health issues effect everyone - those who are sick, got sick, got vaccinated, and those who didn't. It's not as simple as I got my vaccine so who cares what anyone else does. Because many are still unvaccinated, new variants can develop which could eventually reduce (or maybe eliminate) the effectiveness of the current vaccines. As more people get vaccinated, the potential for that to happen lessens
Many just can’t get vaccinated. It is not a choice for them so what do we do, blame these poor people? Not everything is black and white m.
Just stop already. That is EXACTLY the reason that those who CAN get vaccinated should. To help protect those who cannot. So apparently, if you are not vaccinated, you don't care about those "poor people" because you are not willing to do anything to help protect them.
How is me being vaccinated helping a person who can't? I can still get COVID and I can still pass it along.
Herd immunity protects those that cannot get vaccinated.
A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. Studies are underway to learn more about the benefits of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.
Recent update from the CDC
Exactly.
Several studies show being vaccinated reduces the risk of transmission. This happens in several ways - the viral load is lower, you aren't sneezing and coughing, etc. The article describes it well.
It's the whole rationale behind herd immunity.
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| Posted 6/23/21 1:54 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
My boys...my everything <3
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
This is sickening beyond belief! Sure, let’s mandate everyone to get vaccinated and to show proof of vaccination if order for u to keep ur job and regardless of the choice every single of those people might want to have. U, individually don’t matter as long as u get vaccinated for a virus that has a higher chance of survival than the percentage these vaccines are promising for symptomatic illness. It’s crazy and mind blowing thinking this is happening in this country! And even more to see that people are totally ok with this. Wow! It’s frankly terrifying the time we’re leaving right now.
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| Posted 6/23/21 2:29 PM |
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Sash
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Sash
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by tray831
So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???
It says they’d have to stay remote.
As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.
Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.
I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.
LIF is full of spoiled women who have no clue there are other jobs but their high paying ones that are able to be done remotely
I wouldn't call it spoiled. Most if not all women who have those higher paying jobs busted their asses to get to where they are. And not all high paying jobs can be done remotely.
This, and also the assumption that LIF is *full* of spoiled women is a bit rich, excuse the pun.
Real talk, this isn't about being spoiled or a b!tch, but I do think it highlight the privilege, entitlement and inequities in our society. Majority of those workers are minorities and may be forced to take a vaccine and don't have the luxury to choose to stay home.
Regardless of your stance on the vaccine, people should find that very unfair.
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| Posted 6/23/21 2:40 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by soontobemommyof2
This is sickening beyond belief! Sure, let’s mandate everyone to get vaccinated and to show proof of vaccination if order for u to keep ur job and regardless of the choice every single of those people might want to have. U, individually don’t matter as long as u get vaccinated for a virus that has a higher chance of survival than the percentage these vaccines are promising for symptomatic illness. It’s crazy and mind blowing thinking this is happening in this country! And even more to see that people are totally ok with this. Wow! It’s frankly terrifying the time we’re leaving right now.
The fact that this is legal is mind blowing as well.
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| Posted 6/23/21 2:42 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
My boys...my everything <3
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”
This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others
So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?
No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time
Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.
Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.
A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places
ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.
Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.
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