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Nanny on the books or off?

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LadyH
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Nanny on the books or off?

Hi I was just wondering if anyone pays their nanny on the books?

Do you cover them with workers comp insurance because they are in your house?

Posted 8/9/12 9:57 PM
 
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alli3131
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Nanny on the books or off?

The insurance side of me says yes pay comp coverage.

The saver in me says pay off the books.

I use a daycare but all the people I know who use nannies pay off the books

Posted 8/10/12 7:11 AM
 

jambalady
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Re: Nanny on the books or off?

This article on nanny taxes is pretty good on what types of taxes you need to pay.

It doesn't mention anything about having to pay worker's comp.

There are few conversation topics that make parents more squeamish than nanny taxes.

Case in point: We couldn't find any moms willing to go on the record about how they handle their nannies' income. The truth is, there are a lot of families paying nannies "under the table," which is illegal, but cost-saving if you don't get caught.

In fact, filings of the nanny-tax form, Schedule H, are down to around 4.9 percent or 239,810 from a high of 24 percent in the 1990s. The Labor Department counts 746,000 household employees, including nannies and housekeepers; many more doubtless go uncounted. So it's safe to say that a significant percentage of household employers aren't paying taxes on their nannies' wages -- because it sounds too expensive or too confusing.

But are the weekly savings worth the risk? "Taxes aren't optional -- they're the law," says Bob King, founder of Legally Nanny, a law firm in Irvine, CA that specializes in assisting household employers with contracts and taxes. "You can't buy something at Target and say, 'hey I don't feel like covering that sales tax.' And you can't hire a nanny and decide not to pay her income tax." Not only is it illegal (more on that in a minute), but it may also do your nanny a huge disservice. "When employers do pay taxes, it's a huge perk. I know many nannies who have to pay their taxes at the end of the year themselves," notes Neysa Richardson Nanny Expert for Care.com. "This becomes a huge financial burden, especially if you don't have a huge salary -- which most of us don't." Your nanny is probably the only person who spends more time with your child than you do -- are you comfortable knowing that you're both skirting the law? "One client said, 'if I know my nanny is lying to the government, what will she lie to me about?'" says King.

Here's what you need to know about paying taxes for your nanny:

What Are the Benefits of Paying Taxes?

Financial security for your nanny -- now and in the future. Paying income tax will ensure that your nanny can build a work history, collect unemployment if you have to let her go and qualify for essential government benefits like worker's compensation, Medicare, and Social Security payments later in life. "When employers pay taxes, we get to build some security for ourselves in our old age," notes Richardson.

Peace of mind for you. You may think, if you're not running for office, you'll never get caught not paying taxes. But it happens more often than you'd think: "The most common way that people get in trouble for not paying these taxes is when your nanny tries to file for Medicare or Social Security at some point down the road," says Amy Torres, an attorney and nanny success coach at Empowering Resolutions. Adds King: "She'll have to declare what she earned in order to qualify." And when she lists you as an employer, you get investigated.

You don't want to get caught. If you get audited, go through a messy divorce or your nanny reports her income to the IRS (see above), your under-the-table payments can come back to haunt you -- in an expensive way. "You'll be responsible for all of your nanny's back taxes, plus interest," warns King. You may also be subject to penalty fines, the amount of which can vary substantially based on IRS analysis and the severity of the case. "These fines are going up as the government is paying closer attention to household employees," notes Torres. And if you're a lawyer, doctor, or in another profession that is licensed by the state, you may face professional penalties or even lose your license.

How Much Will I Have to Pay?
You'll likely need to withhold around 13 to 20 percent of your nanny's gross wages to cover federal and state taxes (between 1 and 5 percent) as well as Medicare and Social Security (employers are responsible for 7.65 percent, while employees currently pay 5.65 percent -- this might go back to 7.65 percent in 2012), depending on your nanny's income and your own income and tax bracket.

Here's an example: Say you pay your nanny $600 per week ($15 per hour, 40 hours per week), you'll need to withhold the following from her take-home pay:
• Federal Income Tax: $75.77
• Social Security: $25.20
• Medicare: $8.70
• State Income Tax (3.7%): $22.30 (note: we used New York State. Here's where you can find your state income tax rate.)
Total withholdings: $131.97

You'll also need to make the following contributions:
• Federal Unemployment: $4.80
• Social Security: $37.20
• Medicare: $8.70
• State Unemployment: $24.60 (note: we used New York State. Find yours by contacting your state unemployment tax agency)
Total Additional Payments: $75.30

This means your weekly bill comes to $675.30 per week, and your nanny will take home $468.30. Over the course of the year, you can expect to shell out $33,991.30 -- $2,791.30 more than if you paid a flat $600 per week under the table.

Consult the IRS' 2011 Household Employers Tax Guide for more details on each of these withholdings.

Doesn't that Mean I Pay More and My Nanny Gets Less?

Week to week, yes. Household employers can't tax deduct employees' wages the way businesses can, so you end up paying the majority of your nanny's salary with your own after-tax income, notes King. And she'll take a hit in her weekly paycheck when you start withholding the government's piece of the pie. So you may need to increase your nanny's salary so that her take-home pay doesn't take a as much of a hit (use the household payroll calculator at GTM.com to run your own numbers).

The Good News:
You can pay with some pre-tax dollars. Ask your employer if they offer a Dependent Care Account (DCA). This lets you set up to $5,000 of your annual income aside before taxes, and then use that money to pay your childcare bill. Reducing your overall taxable income will reduce your overall tax burden, which may help balance out the extra you're paying in nanny taxes, but can get maxed-out if your child is also in a preschool program.

You may qualify for the federal dependent and childcare tax credit. This lets you claim around 20 percent of the first $3,000 you spend on childcare per child. GTM estimates that this tax credit, combined with your DCA, will save you $1850 per year -- meaning you're only coughing up an extra $941 at the end of the day, to pay your nanny's taxes using the numbers above. (Note: If you have one child, you'll have to choose between this tax credit and a DCA.)

Posted 8/10/12 8:36 AM
 

alli3131
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Allison

Re: Nanny on the books or off?

This article doesn't mention work comp because the laws vary by state. Some states will say if you have more than 5 employees then you need to have comp coverage.

In NYS if you have one employee you need to pay comp coverage.

It is not cheap coverage but if soemthing happens it is worth it.

Posted 8/10/12 8:46 AM
 
 

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