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PrettyEyes
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Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Does anyone find the timing of release of the vaccine information suspect?
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BFNY516
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Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
In what sense?
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| Posted 11/18/20 6:52 AM |
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
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BFNY516
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
I know Pfizer isn’t part of OWS. I don’t see a connection, but interested to read yours and others opinion.
I feel like many people who support Trump have repeatedly stated that they'd never take a vaccine, believing that the whole Covid thing is blown out of proportion and that it was a method to bring down Trump and to gain control of people. These are the same people who want to re-open the economy in full and carry on.
So now that vaccines are being created, (the same that most of his followers refuse to take) and then to expect everyone to give him credit for it… It’s weird to me. Like, which is it? It went from, “this is just a flu! Hoax!!” to “I will never take any CoVid vaccine…my body, my choice, no microchip!” to “ Trump saved the day and no one wants to give him credit for it!” to “.. Hey… This is a little suspect.”
I guess in my mind, it can’t be that Covid was a conspiracy to get rid of him, and then it was a conspiracy to create vaccines to control people, and now it’s a conspiracy that the timing is post-election. It’s too much for me to wrap my head around. It’s just becoming exhausting at this point. Vaccine development should be one thing we are all on board with, regardless of affiliation. It does trouble me that he hasn’t gone to a task force meeting in five months. I expect better.
I do like the bottom line. I think the vaccines are a great win for the people who want and need them, especially the people on the front lines in healthcare, or military people who serve overseas.
Message edited 11/18/2020 7:19:41 AM.
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
I know Pfizer isn’t part of OWS. I don’t see a connection, but interested to read yours and others opinion.
I feel like many people who support Trump have repeatedly stated that they'd never take a vaccine, believing that the whole Covid thing is blown out of proportion and that it was a method to bring down Trump and to gain control of people. These are the same people who want to re-open the economy in full and carry on.
So now that vaccines are being created, (the same that most of his followers refuse to take) and then to expect everyone to give him credit for it… It’s weird to me. Like, which is it? It went from, “this is just a flu! Hoax!!” to “I will never take any CoVid vaccine…my body, my choice, no microchip!” to “ Trump saved the day and no one wants to give him credit for it!” to “.. Hey… This is a little suspect.”
I guess in my mind, it can’t be that Covid was a conspiracy to get rid of him, and then it was a conspiracy to create vaccines to control people, and now it’s a conspiracy that the timing is post-election. It’s too much for me to wrap my head around. It’s just becoming exhausting at this point. Vaccine development should be one thing we are all on board with, regardless of affiliation. It does trouble me that he hasn’t gone to a task force meeting in five months. I expect better.
I do like the bottom line. I think the vaccines are a great win for the people who want and need them, especially the people on the front lines in healthcare, or military people who serve overseas.
I guess that’s the problem with making broad generalizations about people. I voted for Trump, always wear my mask, and never doubted the severity of the virus. I believed what the healthcare workers and scientists were saying and would never knowingly put anyone else at risk.
Pfizer did not take money but that doesn’t mean it didn’t benefit from OWS. There is major coordination that needs to happen with many government agencies to get it released to the public. That is an integral part of the plan that Pfizer can take advantage of now that it has a vaccine. I just think you have to have the sense of a grain of sand to believe that the timing of the release of the vaccine information wasn’t politically motivated.
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
PFE has actually benefited from Warp Speed. In July, they signed a deal with the gov't to deliver a million doses and will benefit from the program as a potential supplier of a potential covid vaccine.
However, their partner, BioNTech received money from the German gov't.
This isn't necessarily relevant to this conversation but I did want to point out that PFE did or will benefit.
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
I think the timing is related more to the idea that all these companies, AZNCF included...started at the same point with the same information. All the companies got the genetic data on CoVid from China which gave them all the same head start.
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Diane
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
Now Pfizer just announced it is 95% effective after Moderma comes out with a vaccine claiming its effectiveness is 95%....hmmm
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| Posted 11/19/20 12:01 AM |
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BFNY516
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Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/business/biontech-covid-vaccine.html
Related reading of the husband and wife team behind the vaccine for Pfizer. Sahin believes we can be back to normal by next December.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by Diane
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
Now Pfizer just announced it is 95% effective after Moderma comes out with a vaccine claiming its effectiveness is 95%....hmmm
That's not a conspiracy, that's just Marketing.... Pfizer originally said "Over 90% effective". Since it's a similar mRNA technique, I can easily see them matching the competitor's numbers...
I often roll my eyes at a lot of marketing schemes, but not because they are government conspiracies or anything. Just using their mind tricks to get us to like their product over their competitors.
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Diane
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
Now Pfizer just announced it is 95% effective after Moderma comes out with a vaccine claiming its effectiveness is 95%....hmmm
That's not a conspiracy, that's just Marketing.... Pfizer originally said "Over 90% effective". Since it's a similar mRNA technique, I can easily see them matching the competitor's numbers...
I often roll my eyes at a lot of marketing schemes, but not because they are government conspiracies or anything. Just using their mind tricks to get us to like their product over their competitors.
I am NOT complaining of conspiracy. Just questions whether it really is 95% effective. Although trial and studies are ongoing, so maybe the numbers increased. Still skeptic on how fast it was released and whether I would jump on the bandwagon to get it.
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by Diane
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by LSP2005
This is literally the timeline that everyone hoped was best case scenario. Pfizer did not take any warp speed money. It was all money from Germany. There is no conspiracy.
If the news had been released, say, 10 days earlier, then I think the election might have gone in a different direction. And Pfizer will certainly benefit from the accelerated vetting process at the government-level that was pushed through by *cough cough* Trump.
The first vaccine was announced in March by J&J. Moderna's vaccine was first announced in April.
AstraZeneca's vaccine was first announced in May.
Regeneron's COVID-19 investigational anti-viral antibody treatment was announced in July.
Novavax's vaccine was first announced in July.
Pfizer's vaccine was first announced in July.
GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine was first announced in July.
Bamlanivimab, by Eli-Lilly was released in October.
Every vaccine was announced early this year, and each progress was tracked for months.
Operation Warp Speed's goal was to have a vaccine ready by January, 2021. So, the plan was always to have a vaccine available AFTER the election.
Yeah, but they were going through trials, correct? Pfizer announced less than a week later that theirs was 90% effective. That’s more the point. Sure, a company can develop a vaccine with terrible results. It just so happened Pfizer announced their great results when they did.
Now Pfizer just announced it is 95% effective after Moderma comes out with a vaccine claiming its effectiveness is 95%....hmmm
That's not a conspiracy, that's just Marketing.... Pfizer originally said "Over 90% effective". Since it's a similar mRNA technique, I can easily see them matching the competitor's numbers...
I often roll my eyes at a lot of marketing schemes, but not because they are government conspiracies or anything. Just using their mind tricks to get us to like their product over their competitors.
I am NOT complaining of conspiracy. Just questions whether it really is 95% effective. Although trial and studies are ongoing, so maybe the numbers increased. Still skeptic on how fast it was released and whether I would jump on the bandwagon to get it.
They will tell you anything as they know with all of this, some people will listen and believe anything that is told to them. Some don’t question anything and believe what the media tells them.
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BFNY516
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
I know Pfizer isn’t part of OWS. I don’t see a connection, but interested to read yours and others opinion.
I feel like many people who support Trump have repeatedly stated that they'd never take a vaccine, believing that the whole Covid thing is blown out of proportion and that it was a method to bring down Trump and to gain control of people. These are the same people who want to re-open the economy in full and carry on.
So now that vaccines are being created, (the same that most of his followers refuse to take) and then to expect everyone to give him credit for it… It’s weird to me. Like, which is it? It went from, “this is just a flu! Hoax!!” to “I will never take any CoVid vaccine…my body, my choice, no microchip!” to “ Trump saved the day and no one wants to give him credit for it!” to “.. Hey… This is a little suspect.”
I guess in my mind, it can’t be that Covid was a conspiracy to get rid of him, and then it was a conspiracy to create vaccines to control people, and now it’s a conspiracy that the timing is post-election. It’s too much for me to wrap my head around. It’s just becoming exhausting at this point. Vaccine development should be one thing we are all on board with, regardless of affiliation. It does trouble me that he hasn’t gone to a task force meeting in five months. I expect better.
I do like the bottom line. I think the vaccines are a great win for the people who want and need them, especially the people on the front lines in healthcare, or military people who serve overseas.
I guess that’s the problem with making broad generalizations about people. I voted for Trump, always wear my mask, and never doubted the severity of the virus. I believed what the healthcare workers and scientists were saying and would never knowingly put anyone else at risk.
Pfizer did not take money but that doesn’t mean it didn’t benefit from OWS. There is major coordination that needs to happen with many government agencies to get it released to the public. That is an integral part of the plan that Pfizer can take advantage of now that it has a vaccine. I just think you have to have the sense of a grain of sand to believe that the timing of the release of the vaccine information wasn’t politically motivated.
As a Trump supporter who believes in CoVid, how do you feel about them blocking the transition team for CoVid? that Trump is blocking? It’s going to put lives at stake without access and push everything back by months.
Are you ok with those games that are hurting Americans?
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
I know Pfizer isn’t part of OWS. I don’t see a connection, but interested to read yours and others opinion.
I feel like many people who support Trump have repeatedly stated that they'd never take a vaccine, believing that the whole Covid thing is blown out of proportion and that it was a method to bring down Trump and to gain control of people. These are the same people who want to re-open the economy in full and carry on.
So now that vaccines are being created, (the same that most of his followers refuse to take) and then to expect everyone to give him credit for it… It’s weird to me. Like, which is it? It went from, “this is just a flu! Hoax!!” to “I will never take any CoVid vaccine…my body, my choice, no microchip!” to “ Trump saved the day and no one wants to give him credit for it!” to “.. Hey… This is a little suspect.”
I guess in my mind, it can’t be that Covid was a conspiracy to get rid of him, and then it was a conspiracy to create vaccines to control people, and now it’s a conspiracy that the timing is post-election. It’s too much for me to wrap my head around. It’s just becoming exhausting at this point. Vaccine development should be one thing we are all on board with, regardless of affiliation. It does trouble me that he hasn’t gone to a task force meeting in five months. I expect better.
I do like the bottom line. I think the vaccines are a great win for the people who want and need them, especially the people on the front lines in healthcare, or military people who serve overseas.
I guess that’s the problem with making broad generalizations about people. I voted for Trump, always wear my mask, and never doubted the severity of the virus. I believed what the healthcare workers and scientists were saying and would never knowingly put anyone else at risk.
Pfizer did not take money but that doesn’t mean it didn’t benefit from OWS. There is major coordination that needs to happen with many government agencies to get it released to the public. That is an integral part of the plan that Pfizer can take advantage of now that it has a vaccine. I just think you have to have the sense of a grain of sand to believe that the timing of the release of the vaccine information wasn’t politically motivated.
As a Trump supporter who believes in CoVid, how do you feel about them blocking the transition team for CoVid? that Trump is blocking? It’s going to put lives at stake without access and push everything back by months.
Are you ok with those games that are hurting Americans?
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
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CookiePuss
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
I still have trouble following the narrative that the election isn't over. Procedurally it is not but that is procedure. America knows that Joe Biden is the 46th President. Hitting obscure election boards may have a desired outcome but that seems unlikely.
How do you reconcile what Trump and his team are doing at this point in the crisis of CoVid? It's not politics. It's a health crisis and Trump in MIA and not being a leader even if these aren't his last days in office. The slow down will cost lives. Plain and simple. ...A post from HCR...
"... Biden said that Trump’s refusal to admit defeat is “the only slow down right now that we have.” He pointed out that the lack of information means, for example, that his team has no idea how much personal protective equipment is stockpiled. “Soon we’re going to be behind by weeks and months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise,” he said. In a letter to the president, the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Nurses Association begged the administration to “work closely with the Biden transition team to share all critical information related to COVID-19.”
How do Trump supporters reconcile this?
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by BFNY516
In what sense?
In the sense that Trump was the one who fast-tracked the production and testing for Covid vaccines and one week after the election Pfizer announced one that is allegedly 90% effective.
I know Pfizer isn’t part of OWS. I don’t see a connection, but interested to read yours and others opinion.
I feel like many people who support Trump have repeatedly stated that they'd never take a vaccine, believing that the whole Covid thing is blown out of proportion and that it was a method to bring down Trump and to gain control of people. These are the same people who want to re-open the economy in full and carry on.
So now that vaccines are being created, (the same that most of his followers refuse to take) and then to expect everyone to give him credit for it… It’s weird to me. Like, which is it? It went from, “this is just a flu! Hoax!!” to “I will never take any CoVid vaccine…my body, my choice, no microchip!” to “ Trump saved the day and no one wants to give him credit for it!” to “.. Hey… This is a little suspect.”
I guess in my mind, it can’t be that Covid was a conspiracy to get rid of him, and then it was a conspiracy to create vaccines to control people, and now it’s a conspiracy that the timing is post-election. It’s too much for me to wrap my head around. It’s just becoming exhausting at this point. Vaccine development should be one thing we are all on board with, regardless of affiliation. It does trouble me that he hasn’t gone to a task force meeting in five months. I expect better.
I do like the bottom line. I think the vaccines are a great win for the people who want and need them, especially the people on the front lines in healthcare, or military people who serve overseas.
I guess that’s the problem with making broad generalizations about people. I voted for Trump, always wear my mask, and never doubted the severity of the virus. I believed what the healthcare workers and scientists were saying and would never knowingly put anyone else at risk.
Pfizer did not take money but that doesn’t mean it didn’t benefit from OWS. There is major coordination that needs to happen with many government agencies to get it released to the public. That is an integral part of the plan that Pfizer can take advantage of now that it has a vaccine. I just think you have to have the sense of a grain of sand to believe that the timing of the release of the vaccine information wasn’t politically motivated.
As a Trump supporter who believes in CoVid, how do you feel about them blocking the transition team for CoVid? that Trump is blocking? It’s going to put lives at stake without access and push everything back by months.
Are you ok with those games that are hurting Americans?
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
The point of a transition team is to know things like how much of PPE is stock piled. It's to understand the plans that are already in place and how to continue them or improve upon them or see what is working. Is Trump not sharing because he never had a plan?
I'm not a Biden fan but his address on the economy and economic development and CoVid have been very specific and there is an actual plan.
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| Posted 11/19/20 11:19 PM |
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
I don't agree with your position that the election isn't over - but - let's go with that and look into the past and Bush v Gore. There can be no doubt that that election wasn't over because it went to the US Supreme Court. Despite the controversy and the uncertainty transition teams were put in place, and Clinton made sure Bush got all the necessary intelligence briefings. If for no other reason than what if the Biden team should be getting all briefings to protect the nation. To say it's not necessary is ridiculous.
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| Posted 11/20/20 2:07 AM |
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PrettyEyes
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by PrettyEyes
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
I don't agree with your position that the election isn't over - but - let's go with that and look into the past and Bush v Gore. There can be no doubt that that election wasn't over because it went to the US Supreme Court. Despite the controversy and the uncertainty transition teams were put in place, and Clinton made sure Bush got all the necessary intelligence briefings. If for no other reason than what if the Biden team should be getting all briefings to protect the nation. To say it's not necessary is ridiculous.
It’s a matter of fact, not opinion, that the election isn’t over. All of the states haven’t yet certified the vote counts and the appeals process isn’t complete. Therefore, Biden is the projected winner and not the President-elect.
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| Posted 11/20/20 2:45 AM |
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by PrettyEyes
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
I don't agree with your position that the election isn't over - but - let's go with that and look into the past and Bush v Gore. There can be no doubt that that election wasn't over because it went to the US Supreme Court. Despite the controversy and the uncertainty transition teams were put in place, and Clinton made sure Bush got all the necessary intelligence briefings. If for no other reason than what if the Biden team should be getting all briefings to protect the nation. To say it's not necessary is ridiculous.
It’s a matter of fact, not opinion, that the election isn’t over. All of the states haven’t yet certified the vote counts and the appeals process isn’t complete. Therefore, Biden is the projected winner and not the President-elect.
They won’t listen to this because the media told them he is the winner. The media that is rushing this because they know there is so much fraud and want to end this quickly. The left and the media think people are stupid and won’t question anything and if they just get him to concede it will be all over and they will win the fight they have been trying to win for the last 4 years.
They will try and distract the public from the truth of the voting system and the absentee ballots that appeared at 4:30 in the morning and the places who claimed they closed and Democrats came back hours later to get these ballots.
They won’t tell the public that ballots are counted internationally and should not be. They won’t tell them that the owners of Dominion are no where to be found. The same system that gave millions of votes to Chavez. The same system that shows you how to rig an election.
The man could not get anyone to come to his rallies and barely campaigned but he got more votes than Obama.
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| Posted 11/20/20 5:40 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by PrettyEyes
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
I don't agree with your position that the election isn't over - but - let's go with that and look into the past and Bush v Gore. There can be no doubt that that election wasn't over because it went to the US Supreme Court. Despite the controversy and the uncertainty transition teams were put in place, and Clinton made sure Bush got all the necessary intelligence briefings. If for no other reason than what if the Biden team should be getting all briefings to protect the nation. To say it's not necessary is ridiculous.
It’s a matter of fact, not opinion, that the election isn’t over. All of the states haven’t yet certified the vote counts and the appeals process isn’t complete. Therefore, Biden is the projected winner and not the President-elect.
They won’t listen to this because the media told them he is the winner. The media that is rushing this because they know there is so much fraud and want to end this quickly. The left and the media think people are stupid and won’t question anything and if they just get him to concede it will be all over and they will win the fight they have been trying to win for the last 4 years.
They will try and distract the public from the truth of the voting system and the absentee ballots that appeared at 4:30 in the morning and the places who claimed they closed and Democrats came back hours later to get these ballots.
They won’t tell the public that ballots are counted internationally and should not be. They won’t tell them that the owners of Dominion are no where to be found. The same system that gave millions of votes to Chavez. The same system that shows you how to rig an election.
The man could not get anyone to come to his rallies and barely campaigned but he got more votes than Obama.
The truth is that ANY other President who wasn't a self centered, batshiit narcissist would have conceded and directed the GSA to certify given the current vote count.
That is what has already happened in the past and honestly anyone who denies that at this point either doesn't know anything about our political history or is delusional.
And BTW: When people claim they "question everything the media tells them" they think they sound savvy, as if they are some discerning consumer of news.
Actually, the opposite is true.
The truth is, "media" means a lot of things and obviously some outlets are better than others. There is a set of tools that people can use to determine credibility. When you say you never trust the media, you are announcing that you do not have this set of tools.
Furthermore, people who say this are usually the same people who believe conspiracy theories and youtube videos.
Normally I wouldn't care what random people think, but this is the attitude that is fueling our President's petulance and will literally cause more Americans to die.
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| Posted 11/20/20 5:59 AM |
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Re: Operation Warp Speed, anyone?
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PrettyEyes
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by PrettyEyes
It won’t push it back by months. Again, that’s the narrative the MSM is pushing forth and is ridiculous. Whether we like it or not (and I don’t, for the record) the election isn’t over therefore transition teams aren’t appropriate.
And btw, Joe appeared in front of millions of Americans, blamed all of the deaths on Trump and basically said “I got this”. And everyone jumped for glee actually thinking he wasn’t full of absolute shit. So, what’s the need for a transition team when he’s going to follow all of the science?
I don't agree with your position that the election isn't over - but - let's go with that and look into the past and Bush v Gore. There can be no doubt that that election wasn't over because it went to the US Supreme Court. Despite the controversy and the uncertainty transition teams were put in place, and Clinton made sure Bush got all the necessary intelligence briefings. If for no other reason than what if the Biden team should be getting all briefings to protect the nation. To say it's not necessary is ridiculous.
It’s a matter of fact, not opinion, that the election isn’t over. All of the states haven’t yet certified the vote counts and the appeals process isn’t complete. Therefore, Biden is the projected winner and not the President-elect.
They won’t listen to this because the media told them he is the winner. The media that is rushing this because they know there is so much fraud and want to end this quickly. The left and the media think people are stupid and won’t question anything and if they just get him to concede it will be all over and they will win the fight they have been trying to win for the last 4 years.
They will try and distract the public from the truth of the voting system and the absentee ballots that appeared at 4:30 in the morning and the places who claimed they closed and Democrats came back hours later to get these ballots.
They won’t tell the public that ballots are counted internationally and should not be. They won’t tell them that the owners of Dominion are no where to be found. The same system that gave millions of votes to Chavez. The same system that shows you how to rig an election.
The man could not get anyone to come to his rallies and barely campaigned but he got more votes than Obama.
The truth is that ANY other President who wasn't a self centered, batshiit narcissist would have conceded and directed the GSA to certify given the current vote count.
That is what has already happened in the past and honestly anyone who denies that at this point either doesn't know anything about our political history or is delusional.
And BTW: When people claim they "question everything the media tells them" they think they sound savvy, as if they are some discerning consumer of news.
Actually, the opposite is true.
The truth is, "media" means a lot of things and obviously some outlets are better than others. There is a set of tools that people can use to determine credibility. When you say you never trust the media, you are announcing that you do not have this set of tools.
Furthermore, people who say this are usually the same people who believe conspiracy theories and youtube videos.
Normally I wouldn't care what random people think, but this is the attitude that is fueling our President's petulance and will literally cause more Americans to die.
I watch all different channels so I know the difference and if you don't think they all work with a script, then you need to do your own research. It has been proven over and over they use the same wording on assorted channels. There is no journalism anymore and I am old enough to remember back when people reported the news, not took sides.
I just saw this and it is a good summary:
Jim Ostrowski
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Where do we stand?
The media has called the election while Trump is still fighting.
Who is right?
It’s true that in most years, there is a consensus about who won that makes legal niceties unnecessary. But it’s a major mistake to assume the present is like the past without any analysis. This isn’t like 1960 or 2000.
In 1960, two states were close and when Nixon chose not to contest, it ended.
In 2000, it came down to one state only and Gore fought all the way until December 12, 2000.
Every year is different. This year, there are five or six states that are still counting, still recounting or the subject of litigation. All the states are close except Michigan, but Michigan has ongoing litigation.
This year is also different because this is the closest election in the digital era and no other election has witnessed such apparent anomalies in the counting and so many allegations of cyber tampering. While the MSM protests that our elections systems are secure, they said the exact opposite two years ago. It must also be noted that computers are intrinsically subject to manipulation as at bottom, these machines store data in the form of zeroes and ones, binary codes that can be easily changed in ways that change all the other existing data sets such as vote tabulations. This makes massive and centralized fraud much easier, a type of fraud that would have been impossible in pre-digital elections.
No states have certified the results to the best of my knowledge.
Trump’s best path to victory is to flip Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Georgia through counts, recounts, litigation or some combination of the three. There are a few other combinations that could do it but that’s the cleanest route.
I am not in a position to evaluate the strength of Trump’s claims beyond what his lawyers say on TV.
I think it is obvious that Trump is a longshot to win but it’s mistake to give him zero chance.
The audience should know that, while I supported the Libertarian candidate in NY, I strongly favor Trump over Biden. I have said many times, I believe Biden’s election would be a catastrophe. So keep that in mind.
In these unique circumstances, the election is not over until all results are certified and all court action that could affect the outcome has concluded.
There is no reason at all to credit the media’s claims that the election is over when they have an obvious bias in favor of Biden and made obviously partisan electoral college calls. When you destroy your credibility, you destroy your credibility.
Many allegations of fraud and irregularities and error have been made by a wide variety of actors, including the Trump campaign, Trump allies in the media, alternative media outlets and numerous individuals. Some of the people making allegations are well known and others are obscure.
Many persons and organizations have made or credited allegations.
Against them and denying that any irregularities took place is the entire establishment, every single one of them: every Democrat, Big Tech, every member of the MSM and vast numbers of allies in the law and academia.
Not a single member of the establishment is saying that the legal process should play itself out and none are them are noting that Biden has not been officially elected yet.
The stakes are very high. There is not much gray area here so one very large collection of well known persons and orgs is going to be very wrong and their credibility such as it was before, will be severely damaged if not gone forever.
If Trump is somehow able to squeak out a win, there will undoubtedly be massive unrest, rioting and looting. This was probably in the cards anyway but the media’s premature calls for Biden, their rigged polls and their vicious disparagement of Trump following legal processes, will no doubt escalate whatever violence was previously penciled in.
It has been pointed out that Biden of all people should support Trump’s right to due process of law if he is confident that there were no irregularities as this will help unify the nation if Biden is elected. Why he has not done so is not clear and raises justifiable suspicions.
For the same reason, it is important that all the credible allegations be investigated and resolved so that we can know whether we have honest elections or not. Even if Trump’s efforts fail and Biden takes office, continued investigations even at that point are not moot as they could impact Biden’s political power and for other obvious reasons.
These issues can be investigated and determined not only through civil court processes but criminal investigations, congressional investigations and journalistic efforts, although there is very little journalism going on in the MSM.
Let’s put this issue in a larger context. The nation is sharply divided and at serious risk of civil unrest over the outcome of the election. I also believe that a Biden administration would be a disaster for the country and would lead to the country becoming a one-party state controlled by the Democrats. These are additional sound reasons for a full exploration of whether this election was fairly administered.
So, there are numerous reasons why all the plausible allegations of misconduct and fraud and all the statistical anomalies pointed out should be investigated and resolved fairly.
There is a lawful process for this and there are well-established time frames for resolving these issues that we saw operate in Bush v. Gore.
On the contrary, there are NO good reasons to oppose the full airing of these issues or vilify Trump or his supporters for trying to do so, even if you support Biden and are convinced that he won fair and square.
In fact, the only reason I can think of to oppose this lawful redress of grievances is if you think there may be merit to these grievances, which in and of itself, is suspicious.
Let the band play on.
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