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mskay
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Puppy Mill VS Kennel

Puppy mills are BAD and most puppy store dogs come from there. But the Kennels...whats the difference? I want a BMD (bernese mountian dog) and all those dogs are located in PA which happens to be very well known for its puppy mills : ( There is a dog of interest there that is from a Kennel and i want to know is this the same thing??? Please help. I always rescue my animals from shelters but i truely want a healthy BMD

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Posted 9/12/09 3:05 PM
 
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Domino
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

I have this for when it is time for DH and I to get a Golden so parts are Golden specific but it should help you in asking questions:

Choosing A Reputable Breeder
Choosing a reputable breeder is very important. Since it would be almost impossible for you to know what the puppy you are buying will grow up to be physically and emotionally, you must rely on your faith in the person from whom you are purchasing your puppy. There are three options open to you in choosing this person.

PET SHOP or DEALER.
The worst possible choice. The puppies are poorly bred and raised. They are thought of as merchandise to be sold for a high profit. The high profit results because little has been put into the breeding or the care of the puppies. Many are sickly. Pet shops rely heavily on impulse buying, which is no way to choose an addition to the family.

BACKYARD BREEDER.
Also a poor choice. This is the person who owns a pet Golden and thinks it would be fun to have puppies, that it would be a great experience for the children, or that the ***** should be bred once before she is spayed. Even worse, perhaps it's being done just to make money. Usually this breeder knows little about the standard or history of the breed, and still less about proper care. The backyard breeder is not aware of breed problems, and doesn't care. This person's only goal is to produce puppies, and when the fun is over, to sell them quickly.

SERIOUS HOBBY BREEDER.
The very best choice. The serious and dedicated hobby breeder regards his/her dogs as even more than a hobby, although the true fancier does not expect to make a profit. When someone is involved in dogs for the enjoyment of each individual animal, for participating in any of the many aspects of dogsport, and for producing the finest animals possible, the results are SUPERIOR. The best breeders acknowledge responsibility for each and every puppy produced, and stand behind every dog they have bred.

Unequivocally, your choice should be from the ranks of the SERIOUS HOBBY BREEDER. It is an interesting fact that poor quality puppies from pet shops and backyard breeders are often sold for the same price and sometimes even more than those purchased from the experienced hobby breeder. The question is: How does one recognize the responsible breeder? Presented below is a list of requirements the breeder should meet before you consider purchasing a puppy. Don't be afraid to confront the breeder with these requirements. It is your right, and you can rest assured that the dedicated breeder will respond positively and with pride.

The breeder should:
Belong to the Golden Retriever Club of America, a local Golden Retriever club, or an all-breed club. Ideally he/she should belong to all three; however, sometimes this is impossible. The reason for this requirement is that this sort of participation indicates depth of involvement. This breeder is exposed to other points of view, learns more about the breed and modern breeding practices, and is kept up to date on AKC rules and regulations.
Be involved in showing his/her dogs in the breed ring, the obedience ring, in hunting tests/field trials, agility, tracking, or in a combination of any of these. The reason for this requirement is that it means that the breeder is not working in a vacuum. The breeder who does not participate has no idea how good his/her dogs really are, and is deprived of the opportunity to share information and ideas with others. Showing provides the competition which encourages breeders to produce better dogs. The breeder who competes wants to prove how good his/her dogs are and is putting his/her breeding program on the line. This breeder is not relying on just a pedigree to indicate quality. Even if you do not want a competition animal, you deserve a companion that is the end result of a carefully planned litter; a puppy which received the same care as a potential champion. The breeder who competes in organized activities is known by others and has a reputation to uphold. This breeder will be as careful and honest in selling you your pet puppy as in selling show stock.
Be able to show you a clean environment; healthy, well-socialized puppies; and a dam with a good temperament. You should avoid: a) shy, whimpering, fearful puppies; b) puppies with dull coats, crusty or running eyes, signs of diarrhea, rashes or sores on their abdomens; c) signs of neglect, such as lack of water, pans of uneaten food, and dirty conditions; d) a breeder who will sell a puppy under seven weeks of age, as early separation from the dam and littermates can be very detrimental both psychologically and physically.
Give you a period of time in which to allow you to have the puppy examined by a veterinarian to determine its state of health, so that both of you are assured as to the condition of the puppy at the time of sale. If a problem should arise, it can then be quickly resolved.
Provide you with a record of the dates and types of vaccinations and de-worming done, feeding instructions, a 3-to 5-generation pedigree, and an AKC registration application to apply for registration of the puppy in your own name with the American Kennel Club (AKC). Sometimes the registration application is not available at the time you take your puppy home. If this is the case, have the breeder state on a dated, signed receipt of payment that the application will be sent to you as soon as possible. The registered names and AKC numbers of both parents, date of birth of the litter, and puppy's color and sex should be indicated. You can then contact AKC with complete information should there later be a problem with the papers.
Give you written instructions on feeding, training and care. This booklet was designed in part for that purpose. There are other materials that are useful; some are listed in Appendix B.
Be able to show you proof that both the sire and dam of the litter have had their hips X-rayed, and evaluated as normal by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) and/or PennHIP; have had their elbows X-rayed and evaluated as normal by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) or a board-certified veterinary radiologist: have had their hearts examined by a board-certified veterinary cardiologist; and have had their eyes examined by a board-certified veterinary ophthalmologist within the last 12-18 months. The breeder should also be willing to answer your questions about any other possible hereditary problems, including but not limited to seizures, hypothyroidism, and skin problems or allergies.
Ask you what kind of dogs you have had in the past, and what happened to them; whether or not you have a fenced yard; and whether or not the dog will be allowed to be a house dog and a member of the family. Sincere breeders will be a bit hesitant to sell you a puppy until they know more about you, what you are looking for in a dog, and what lifestyle you have in mind for your dog. Having the best interest of the puppy at heart, reputable breeders will take great pains to place puppies properly the first time around. A returned puppy is a traumatic experience for all concerned, so the breeder who is always willing to accept a puppy back will try to make certain that a Golden is the breed for you.
Be able to give you references: the names of people who have purchased puppies in the past, the names of other breeders, and the veterinarian who provides care for the breeder's dogs.
Provide some sort of written contract and/or conditions of sale. Any warranty of quality or health of the dog, and any warranty against development of hereditary problems or show-ring disqualifications in an animal intended for showing or breeding, should be in writing. The warranty should be absolutely explicit and a signed copy should be provided to each party.
Both pedigree and registration papers are provided by reputable breeders at NO extra charge. The practice of charging extra for papers is forbidden by the AKC, and should be reported. This should not be confused with withholding papers until the dog has been spayed or neutered, which is how puppies not purchased for showing/breeding are sold by many reputable breeders.
Make it clear that his/her responsibility continues long after you have taken your puppy home, in fact as long as the dog is alive. Many dedicated breeders will ask that the dog be returned to them, or placed with new owners who meet their approval, if ever for any reason you are unable to keep the dog. They'll cheerfully be available for advice whenever needed, and can ease your way over many rough spots.
If your breeder meets all of these requirements you are in good hands. If you find yourself with a negative response to any of these requirements, think twice and discuss the situation with someone else. DON'T be impulsive and DO ask questions

Posted 9/12/09 3:36 PM
 

DaisyGirl
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

I think a kennel and a puppy mill are pretty much the same thing. Have you tried to find a breeder?

ETA- sorry, just saw your other post!

Message edited 9/12/2009 4:07:27 PM.

Posted 9/12/09 4:06 PM
 

lbride
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

How about going to the BMD club of america website (or something similiar) - they usually post a list of breeders

Posted 9/12/09 4:29 PM
 

RadioLau
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

I think the kennel is the same as a puppy mill. Go to a reputable breeder listed by a local BMD club, the national one, or the AKC.

Posted 9/13/09 10:01 PM
 

Gertyrae
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

Contact this group - Bernese Mountain Club of NY

It's a kennel club for the NY area, they will direct you to a reputable breeder in the tri-state area. You want a breeder who is active in the Bernese community.
Good luck!

Posted 9/13/09 11:38 PM
 

MBG811
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

A kennel doesn't necessarily = puppy mill. I have 2 Berners, both from reputable breeders. One breeder called itself "such and such kennel" but we went to visit twice and it was defintely not a puppy mill or backyard breeder. We did visit another place that was calling itself a "breeder" that was horrible and definitely bordered on a puppy mill (we obviously didn't get a dog from there). I think your best bet is to visit the places and see how they keep their dogs, how many dogs are there, etc. etc. Talk to the sellers. The good breeders will make themselves available for any questions you might have (even after you take the puppy home) and will also ask you a lot of questions about how you plan to take care of the dog, etc. I'm in PA and ours came from all the way down in MD, so I don't think that would be helpful to you. We had a hard time finding available puppies because it's not such a popular breed, but we did find them online through the AKC website. I'd also look at the Bernese Mt. Dog of America website for recommendation. Good luck- they are a wonderful breed!

Posted 9/14/09 6:27 PM
 

mskay
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Kay

Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

Thanks MBG811. I was actually looking in PA since that happened to be the closest of breeders that had the BMD. However they all appear to be near or around Lancaster which means PUPPY MILLS and to go there just wanting the BMD so badly, would be a bad idea. I would come home with anything cause i have always been a rescue person. This is the first time i am buying a pure breed.

Posted 9/14/09 7:15 PM
 

mskay
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Kay

Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

Thanks Domino. That was very informative and definatly something i will print.

Posted 9/14/09 7:17 PM
 

anonttcer
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Re: Puppy Mill VS Kennel

I have no info but just wanted to say that those puppies are ridiculously adorable! Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Good luck finding a reputable breeder and keep us posted!

Posted 9/14/09 10:44 PM
 
 

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