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OffWithHerHead23
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Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Hi everyone-
I have a question.
I teach high school social studies at a Catholic school on LI. I have a ninth grader who transferred here from a public school. When she transferred, her records were sent to the district we are in, not our school. On the application, there is a question about special needs, and the parent indicated that there were none. A month goes by and the kid's paperwork catches up with her. It turns out she has an IEP that says she is supposed to be in self contained 12-1-1 class, which we do not offer at this school. All of her teachers had suspected something was really up with this student based on her behavior and what she was turning in. Anyway, when the mother was finally contacted by the school she refused to take the student out of school, saying she wants her in a better environment than her local high school. We can't service this child (she has a LOT of linguistic and behavioral problems) and we have a meeting this week about her. I think the upshot will be that she will be told to leave, which is probably better for all parties involved.
Here's my question, though, out of curiosity: Can a parent disregard an IEP like that? I thought that once an IEP was developed a parents, schools and teachers had to abide by it; that it was written in stone. Am I wrong?? I am really interested in knowing this, and no one at my school seems to be able to give me an answer to this.
Thanks!!
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Posted 11/27/07 6:38 PM  |
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MrsPowers
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
fyi, I teach special education at a public HS on LI.
Can a parent disregard an IEP like that?
- to be completely honest with you, a parent can disregard an IEP like that. It sounds like the parent wants a better "environment" for the child. There are quite a few parents that do ignore a child' iEP. It is sad.
Once an IEP is developed you are right that the teachers and schools must abide by it. However, as a child moves to a catholic school, the IEP does not need to be followed to the same extent. Most of the time, students with special needs are serviced best in a public school because of the amount of services available. Unfortunately, the reality is that an IEP is only fully upheld in a public school and you don't have to in a catholic school.
Now the parent, for example, is doing a diservice to the child by placing him/her in a catholic school. There is no way that you can educate a child with such serious needs. Some public school on LI don't even have 12-1-1 classes.
Sorry this is so long. I got a little carried away! HTH
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| Posted 11/27/07 6:59 PM |
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
i thought an IEP was a legal document and if not followed it would be a violation for all parties involved including parents.
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| Posted 11/27/07 7:01 PM |
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
The parent has a right to refuse services at any time. If the school feels that it is a complete disservice to the child, they can take them to impartial - however, this is expensive for schools and they often do not do this. It might also be a form of educational neglect that CPS can get involved in.
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| Posted 11/27/07 7:17 PM |
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Diane
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Posted by ejm1219
The parent has a right to refuse services at any time. If the school feels that it is a complete disservice to the child, they can take them to impartial - however, this is expensive for schools and they often do not do this. It might also be a form of educational neglect that CPS can get involved in.
This is true...a prent has a right to refuse services...sounds like the mother is in denial that her child has a disability and needs the help. That is probably why she took her out and put her in a Catholic school. I feel bad for the child
Message edited 11/28/2007 12:53:33 PM.
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| Posted 11/28/07 12:53 PM |
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Nicole728
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Posted by MrsPowers
fyi, I teach special education at a public HS on LI.
Can a parent disregard an IEP like that?
- to be completely honest with you, a parent can disregard an IEP like that. It sounds like the parent wants a better "environment" for the child. There are quite a few parents that do ignore a child' iEP. It is sad.
Once an IEP is developed you are right that the teachers and schools must abide by it. However, as a child moves to a catholic school, the IEP does not need to be followed to the same extent. Most of the time, students with special needs are serviced best in a public school because of the amount of services available. Unfortunately, the reality is that an IEP is only fully upheld in a public school and you don't have to in a catholic school.
Now the parent, for example, is doing a diservice to the child by placing him/her in a catholic school. There is no way that you can educate a child with such serious needs. Some public school on LI don't even have 12-1-1 classes.
Sorry this is so long. I got a little carried away! HTH
ITA....parents can refuse services...they can even refuse their child to be tested....Its sad b/c IMO they are only hurting their child more.
We have a child at our school who is most likely Autistic..he is non verbal and has some behaviors...however he is in a regular ed Kindergarten class b/c his mother does not want him tested.
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| Posted 11/28/07 1:03 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Posted by MrsPowers
Can a parent disregard an IEP like that?
- to be completely honest with you, a parent can disregard an IEP like that. It sounds like the parent wants a better "environment" for the child. There are quite a few parents that do ignore a child' iEP. It is sad.
I am a school psychologist in a public high school, SCSE chair, and I do not believe this is correct. A parent can not simply disregard an IEP that has been developed through the CSE. An IEP is a legal agreement based upon the student's needs that the parent has agreed to through the CSE process.
Now, if the parent has second thoughts and wants to contest any of the services, placement, or classification, they must request that their home district's CSE reconvene before any IEP can be changed or otherwise not followed as it was written. If at the CSE the parent wants all services or classification pulled, then the district can take the parent to an impartial hearing. My district is pretty cheap, but they actually do go to impartial in such cases.
If the student moves to a catholic school, first of all, the parent needs to inform the CSE of the private school placement. I believe it is true that the school district is not responsible for providing the same services and accomodations, since the parent is (in all likelihood) voluntarily rejecting the student's free and appropriate public education. But, in my experience, usually a student with such intensive needs would not be accepted or will be thrown out of the private school b/c he or she can not keep up with the work load.
sorry so long and hope that helps!
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| Posted 11/28/07 11:24 PM |
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MrsPowers
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Posted by Chai77
Posted by MrsPowers
Can a parent disregard an IEP like that?
- to be completely honest with you, a parent can disregard an IEP like that. It sounds like the parent wants a better "environment" for the child. There are quite a few parents that do ignore a child' iEP. It is sad.
I am a school psychologist in a public high school, SCSE chair, and I do not believe this is correct. A parent can not simply disregard an IEP that has been developed through the CSE. An IEP is a legal agreement based upon the student's needs that the parent has agreed to through the CSE process.
Now, if the parent has second thoughts and wants to contest any of the services, placement, or classification, they must request that their home district's CSE reconvene before any IEP can be changed or otherwise not followed as it was written. If at the CSE the parent wants all services or classification pulled, then the district can take the parent to an impartial hearing. My district is pretty cheap, but they actually do go to impartial in such cases.
If the student moves to a catholic school, first of all, the parent needs to inform the CSE of the private school placement. I believe it is true that the school district is not responsible for providing the same services and accomodations, since the parent is (in all likelihood) voluntarily rejecting the student's free and appropriate public education. But, in my experience, usually a student with such intensive needs would not be accepted or will be thrown out of the private school b/c he or she can not keep up with the work load.
sorry so long and hope that helps!
Yes I agree with you. I guess I didn't mean a parent can disregard an IEP but they can not listen to the suggestions of the CSE committee. Therefore, placing the child in an environment that most teachers and other CSE members did not agree with. that was what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
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| Posted 11/29/07 5:51 AM |
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OffWithHerHead23
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Thanks, everyone, for all the responses!
We had the meeting today, and mom didn't show 
The decision was made to ask the parent to withdraw the student. Everyone thinks it's for the best. It cam eo light that the mom has done this before with another private school. The kid will go back to her home district (a VERY good district, btw).
Thanks again for all the responses! They really gave me some background on all of this while the situation was playing out!
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| Posted 11/29/07 6:19 PM |
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lkrpaul
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Re: Question for teachers of special ed- kind of long
Posted by ejm1219
The parent has a right to refuse services at any time. If the school feels that it is a complete disservice to the child, they can take them to impartial - however, this is expensive for schools and they often do not do this. It might also be a form of educational neglect that CPS can get involved in.
This is exactly what I was going to write. If the parent signed the IEP they stated they agreed with it. Though the parent can now fight for something else, the school district can choose to claim they are neglecting their child's needs.
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| Posted 11/30/07 1:16 PM |
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