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Serial podcast ... Can we discuss?
I read about it on here and gobbled it up like candy. I'm sorry it's over now. But I am fascinated with this case and the recent developments!
If anyone here hasn't listened - but you enjoy dateline mysteries, the ones that are based on true events - etc - check it out. You will be hooked!!
Anyway - can we discuss this case? What do you think?
What a nutty case - it's like everyone is lying!
I read some theories online (someone had posted a link in another thread) but some of the girls they interviewed for the podcast all sound off... I can't put my finger on it. It's like no one is telling the truth.
What do you think happened ?
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july4mrsO
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I loved Serial, it's very addictive lol
I cannot say with 100% confidence who killed her. I agree that it feels like everyone is lying. Jay has changed the details of his story so many times that it's impossible to keep up with it. Adnan's attorney really botched the case too. But I'm also not at all convinced Adnan is innocent. My gut tells me he did it and Jay was more involved than he wants to let on. I'm really curious to see if they're able to get any DNA profiles from the evidence. I doubt it, since the case is so old, but you never know. Without actual DNA proof, I don't think we'll ever really know what happened to Hae.
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| Posted 3/31/15 9:58 AM |
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There was a recent interview with Jay. A magazine interviewed him and it was really interesting. Not sure why Jay would lie. I actually feel bad for Jay. His family is receiving death threats and he and his wife lost their jobs because of this.
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| Posted 3/31/15 10:35 AM |
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I have two main theories.
1- Adnan did it, by accident/out of rage (not pre-planned) but Jay still had a bigger part in it.
2- It was a stranger. Hae filmed something in the gym that day that was aired on TV. Did they ever investigate those cameraman/other people associated with her interview/lacrosse segment? You never know.
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Pomegranate5
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IMO, he absolutely killed her. Adnan, while sounding like a "nice" guy, did not come across as completely honest or believable. Jay seems MUCH more believable. And why would he lie? He had no reason to kill her. And even if he did, what is the likelihood that he could have planned it THAT well, or gotten that lucky? I'm sure he is still downplaying his role, but for the most part I think he told the truth.
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| Posted 3/31/15 11:30 AM |
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I am not sure what to think about this case. The evidence is kind of crummy. Not sure how the jury determined their verdict beyond reasonable doubt. That said, based on my own gut, which means nothing, I think Adnan and Jay are both responsible for her death in one way or another. It may not have gone down exactly how Jay described but I think they were both involved. Adnan seems very disconnected to me. Also, what really gets me is the fact that he claims he doesn't remember details of the day police called him looking for his ex girlfriend. Receiving a phone call from police about someone I cared about in and of itself would cause me to remember the day or at least some details. I understand not being able to remember a typical Friday 6 weeks ago, but the fact the police called him looking for Hae no longer makes the day typical in my mind.
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| Posted 3/31/15 11:47 AM |
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Michelle1110
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I don't get why Adnan would lend Jay his car and phone. If they were acquaintances only. I don't buy Stephanie's birthday present excuse.
On serial the host said she heard an unsubstantiated rumor, that if true, she was convinced of his guilt or his innocence . She didn't say the rumor or what it convinced her of.
What's the rumor?
I've heard that Jay and Adnan were lovers, adnan showed domestic violence before.
I can't get over the why Jay part. Did adnan try paying him? They both are clearly hiding something.
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| Posted 4/1/15 12:31 AM |
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Posted by bunnyluck
I am not sure what to think about this case. The evidence is kind of crummy. Not sure how the jury determined their verdict beyond reasonable doubt. That said, based on my own gut, which means nothing, I think Adnan and Jay are both responsible for her death in one way or another. It may not have gone down exactly how Jay described but I think they were both involved. Adnan seems very disconnected to me. Also, what really gets me is the fact that he claims he doesn't remember details of the day police called him looking for his ex girlfriend. Receiving a phone call from police about someone I cared about in and of itself would cause me to remember the day or at least some details. I understand not being able to remember a typical Friday 6 weeks ago, but the fact the police called him looking for Hae no longer makes the day typical in my mind.
This stuck with me. In hs there was a sex scandal with girl on my field hockey team and history teacher. I still remember the cops coming to my house to see if I knew anything. I didn't even like this girl and knew nothing. But cops coming to your house as a teen, you remember!!
I just really think jay is lying. The timeline is really strange. I don't buy that he could have gotten to best buy so fast and killed her in daylight. And he changed his story so much. But why is he lying? There is more to this story we don't know.
I don't know what happened but don't think there was enough evidence to convict beyond doubt.
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| Posted 4/1/15 7:16 AM |
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We don't know for a fact that she died At best buy right?
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| Posted 4/1/15 8:42 AM |
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Most weird to me is lending someone your car and cell (to someone you're not even that good friends with) so he can get his gf a birthday gift.
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| Posted 4/1/15 8:44 AM |
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I don't know what to think, but based on the evidence presented during the case, I don't think he should have been convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
Jay knew where the body was. That was the big thing for me. So either he had something to do with it and framed Adnan for whatever reason, or his version was the truth.
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For me, the fact that Jay knew where the car was and the body confirm that Adnan did it. What are the odds that JAY killed her and just got so lucky that it happened on the one day that Adnan lent him his car and cell phone so that he could frame him. And if he PLANNED to frame him, wouldn't he have made sure to get his story straight and make sure it lined up EXACTLY with the evidence (cell records)?
And then there was the interview with the co-worker at the video store who said that Jay was genuinely afraid of Adnan. I believed it, it sounded like the truth.
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july4mrsO
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I agree. I don't see how a 3rd party being involved is possible because it still wouldn't explain how Jay knew where Hae's car was. And he really had no reason to make this up. He implicated himself (probably not the extent that he was actually involved in the crime, but still). He had no way of knowing he wouldn't be charged and convicted as well. I don't totally believe Jay's version because it has changed so many times, but I still think Adnan did it.
Oh and I forgot about the unsubstantiated rumor that Sarah didn't disclose in the podcast. I never heard what it was about but I'm very curious.
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| Posted 4/1/15 10:33 AM |
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I also don't know what to believe.
Jay has changed his story a lot. Adnan can't recall the goings on of a day that should be firmly cemented in his head. Jay knew where the car was. Adnan made Jay scared, according to Jay's former coworker.
I feel like I am right where I was since before i listened to it - completely clueless on the whole case!
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I want so badly to believe Adnan did not do it. He is a likeable person. But something deep down tells me he had something to do with it, along with Jay.
The case is going before the appleals board in June this year:
Appeal
It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Im only up to episode 6! Will comment further once i finish! Afraid to read comments !
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I just started listening to it yesterday and I'm fascinated. I just finished Episode 2 this a.m. Can't wait to finish it.
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I don't know what to believe either but a few things stick out to me.
One there was no pay phone at best buy and why wasn't his investigated further.
Two I don't believe she was killed at 2:36. One girl saw Her at school at that time. And what about the girl who saw adnan in the computer lab at that time? Again this was never looked into!
It doesn't seem like adnan had motive to kill Hae but I agree with everyone else saying that how would jay know where hae's car was?
I think jay was more involved than he says.
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I don't know what to believe either but a few things stick out to me.
One there was no pay phone at best buy and why wasn't his investigated further.
Two I don't believe she was killed at 2:36. One girl saw Her at school at that time. And what about the girl who saw adnan in the computer lab at that time? Again this was never looked into!
It doesn't seem like adnan had motive to kill Hae but I agree with everyone else saying that how would jay know where hae's car was?
I think jay was more involved than he says.
It was revealed that their may have been a pay phone in the vestibule of best buy
I agree that jay seems to know more.
I also can't imagine she was killed in a parking lot in broad daylight.
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Posted by babyfever24
I don't know what to believe either but a few things stick out to me.
One there was no pay phone at best buy and why wasn't his investigated further.
Two I don't believe she was killed at 2:36. One girl saw Her at school at that time. And what about the girl who saw adnan in the computer lab at that time? Again this was never looked into!
It doesn't seem like adnan had motive to kill Hae but I agree with everyone else saying that how would jay know where hae's car was?
I think jay was more involved than he says.
It was revealed that their may have been a pay phone in the vestibule of best buy
I agree that jay seems to know more.
I also can't imagine she was killed in a parking lot in broad daylight.
Oh was it?! Yeah i agree about killing in broad daylight. If this case reopens Jay may be in trouble....imagine all these years later!!!??
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I finished it this weekend and wow, just wow. I can’t believe that Adnan was convicted primarily from Jay’s testimony, even though we KNOW Jay lied. That’s just nutty to me.
My gut however, tells me that Adnan DID kill her, (I feel like he did it either at the school or very close to the school, so he was close enough to the library to establish an alibi), but that he concocted that whole “Best Buy” story and told Jay to go with that to make it seem like Jay was the liar and that he must’ve killed her.
BUT, when the stuff came out about that rapist/murderer who was in the area at the time Hae was killed, I was all confused again.
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I finished it this weekend and wow, just wow. I can’t believe that Adnan was convicted primarily from Jay’s testimony, even though we KNOW Jay lied. That’s just nutty to me.
My gut however, tells me that Adnan DID kill her, (I feel like he did it either at the school or very close to the school, so he was close enough to the library to establish an alibi), but that he concocted that whole “Best Buy” story and told Jay to go with that to make it seem like Jay was the liar and that he must’ve killed her.
BUT, when the stuff came out about that rapist/murderer who was in the area at the time Hae was killed, I was all confused again.
I also lean to adnan killing her. What motive could jay have had? Nothing I read online as far as theories stuck out at me.
Here's what did strike me: adnan caring so much if jay got Jen a birthday gift. And adnan getting jen a birthday gift. That just struck me as weird.
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Episode 11, rumors.....was the first rumor that she did not discuss have something to do with Adnan and Jay being lovers?
After listening to the psychiatrist they hired i feel Adnan did it and is in complete denial.
Did they ever mention anything about DNA on Hae etc?
ETA i was also questioning the legitimacy of christina guitiriez, something is off there with her.
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Posted by babyfever24
Episode 11, rumors.....was the first rumor that she did not discuss have something to do with Adnan and Jay being lovers?
After listening to the psychiatrist they hired i feel Adnan did it and is in complete denial.
Did they ever mention anything about DNA on Hae etc?
ETA i was also questioning the legitimacy of christina guitiriez, something is off there with her.
That's the rumor I read about. Hai stumbled on them? They won't say what happened bc it would reveal that? Jay had to get Stephanie a present to hide the fact he was gay? I don't know.
Was Stephanie involved ?
I just don't buy it as it is laid out. Is he guilty? Maybe. But not the way it is portrayed.
Ugh !!! I want to know the rumor so badly.
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