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QuoteTheRaven424
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So let me get this straight....
Kids are banned from wearing American flag shirts on 9/11
But 2 kids were granted permission to wear Hitler youth pins in school??? 
walk me through the logic
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Re: So let me get this straight....
I can't walk you through the logic because there isn't any.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:17 PM |
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Welcome to America!
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:17 PM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Judge OKs 'Hitler youth' buttons to protest school uniform policy
By DAVID PORTER
Associated Press Writer
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NEWARK, N.J. (AP) -- Two students in northern New Jersey can wear buttons featuring a picture of Hitler youth to protest a school uniform policy, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr. sided with the parents of the students, who had been threatened with suspension by the Bayonne school district last fall for wearing the buttons. However, the judge added in his ruling that the boys will not be allowed to distribute the buttons at school.
"I'm very pleased," said Laura DePinto, mother of one of the students. "I think it upholds the most basic of our American rights, which is to protest peacefully."
Citing a 1969 case in Iowa involving students who wore black arm bands to protest the Vietnam War, Greenaway wrote that "a student may not be punished for merely expressing views unless the school has reason to believe that the speech or expression will 'materially and substantially disrupt the work and discipline of the school.'"
Greenaway's decision "follows the law as we saw it going in," said Karin R. White Morgen, an attorney representing both boys' families. "We believed that it was the Tinker decision that applied," she added, referring to the Iowa case.
The buttons bear the words "no school uniforms" with a slash through them superimposed on a photo of young boys wearing identical shirts and neckerchiefs. There are no swastikas visible on the buttons, but the parties agreed that they depict members of Hitler youth.
Bayonne Superintendent of Schools Patricia L. McGeehan said the school district was disappointed in the decision and would review its legal options.
"We are very concerned with the precedent this may set, not only for Bayonne but for every public school district in New Jersey that tries to create and maintain a school environment conducive to learning and that is not offensive to students and staff," McGeehan said.
Bayonne instituted mandatory uniforms last September for grades K-8, and fifth-grader Michael DePinto wore the button several times before objections were raised in November, attorneys for the plaintiffs said.
In a letter dated Nov. 16, 2006, Janice Lo Re, principal of Public School 14, notified Laura DePinto that her son "will be subject to suspension" for wearing the button in school.
Parents of the other student, Anthony LaRocco, a seventh-grader at the Woodrow Wilson School, received a similar letter from principal Catherine Quinn.
After the suspension threat, the boys' parents filed a federal lawsuit claiming the district stifled the children's First Amendment free speech rights. They also have mounted a legal challenge to the uniform policy.
Neither boy has worn the button since the lawsuit was filed, Morgen said.
District lawyers asserted that the image of the Hitler youth was abhorrent because it conveyed intolerance and racial inequality represented by Nazism.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:18 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Um, why is America looking more like a police state every day
Wait so when did the t-shirt on 9/11 thing happen? I missed that one.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:21 PM |
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Did Prince Harry design them?
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:23 PM |
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Re: So let me get this straight....
What I don't get is why a parent would support a kid wearing a Hitler youth button in the first place.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:34 PM |
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Where were kids banned from wearing american flag shirts? I hadn't heard that....
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:38 PM |
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
The buttons bear the words "no school uniforms" with a slash through them superimposed on a photo of young boys wearing identical shirts and neckerchiefs. There are no swastikas visible on the buttons, but the parties agreed that they depict members of Hitler youth.
It seems to me like the buttons are showing Nazi youth as a protest against uniforms. I don't in any way condone the use of Nazi iconography in any way, shape or form, but it doesn't seem to me that these boys are supporting Nazism, just trying to make a statement against school uniforms.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:41 PM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: So let me get this straight....
there was a thread around 9/11 about some schools barring kids from wearing american flag t shirts
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:47 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
there was a thread around 9/11 about some schools barring kids from wearing american flag t shirts
I cannot see the logic there at all. Can you wear one for Memorial day, Flag day, presidents day, etc?
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:53 PM |
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by Whamtastic
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
The buttons bear the words "no school uniforms" with a slash through them superimposed on a photo of young boys wearing identical shirts and neckerchiefs. There are no swastikas visible on the buttons, but the parties agreed that they depict members of Hitler youth.
It seems to me like the buttons are showing Nazi youth as a protest against uniforms. I don't in any way condone the use of Nazi iconography in any way, shape or form, but it doesn't seem to me that these boys are supporting Nazism, just trying to make a statement against school uniforms.
yup -- that's what i was noticing too. the kids aren't saying they AGREE with Hitler youth---they are using it as an example of how uniforms are used to cause conformity just like was done in the time of Hitler.
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:55 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
there was a thread around 9/11 about some schools barring kids from wearing american flag t shirts
I cannot see the logic there at all. Can you wear one for Memorial day, Flag day, presidents day, etc?
the school he's talking about is in NC. the kids were banned from wearing the flag of any country.
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| Posted 9/21/07 12:56 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Whamtastic
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
The buttons bear the words "no school uniforms" with a slash through them superimposed on a photo of young boys wearing identical shirts and neckerchiefs. There are no swastikas visible on the buttons, but the parties agreed that they depict members of Hitler youth.
It seems to me like the buttons are showing Nazi youth as a protest against uniforms. I don't in any way condone the use of Nazi iconography in any way, shape or form, but it doesn't seem to me that these boys are supporting Nazism, just trying to make a statement against school uniforms.
yup -- that's what i was noticing too. the kids aren't saying they AGREE with Hitler youth---they are using it as an example of how uniforms are used to cause conformity just like was done in the time of Hitler.
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
I agree with this, and I believe that their right to protest is fine. The message may be getting lost in the translation because of the imagery they chose to use, however it is their right.
Now regarding the flag shirts, this is just weird to me. How was that decision justified? Why is that one day singled out? That is what I meant by me earlier police-state comment. I personally think that the symbol of the American flag is overused in a way that cheapens its meaning sometimes (like flag boxers), but to make a ruling about it for one particular day is just weird.
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I was at Fed-Ex on 9/11 and another customer was there w/ her young DD who was wearing a red,white.blue t-shirt with her Green GS vest over it. The lady at the counter asked the girl if she was just comming from GS and she said no. The mom then explained she wasn't allowed to wear flag colors to school today so she covered up with her vest!
ETA: I was standing there thinking W T H????????
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by MrsPJB2007
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
that is asinine IMO. what about Catholic schools? are they to be compared to nazism?
there is a way to take a stand without going to that extreme
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
there was a thread around 9/11 about some schools barring kids from wearing american flag t shirts
I cannot see the logic there at all. Can you wear one for Memorial day, Flag day, presidents day, etc?
the school he's talking about is in NC. the kids were banned from wearing the flag of any country.
that is so weird! i think schools are getting WAAAAY too P.C.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by Phyl
I was at Fed-Ex on 9/11 and another customer was there w/ her young DD who was wearing a red,white.blue t-shirt with her Green GS vest over it. The lady at the counter asked the girl if she was just comming from GS and she said no. The mom then explained she wasn't allowed to wear flag colors to school today so she covered up with her vest!
ETA: I was standing there thinking W T H????????
OMG this saddens me beyond belief
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MsMBV
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
that is asinine IMO. what about Catholic schools? are they to be compared to nazism?
there is a way to take a stand without going to that extreme
I think Parochial schools are different in that you have to actively apply to and take tests to be accepted. It is not required to go to a parochial school. KWIM?
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MrsPJB2007
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
that is asinine IMO. what about Catholic schools? are they to be compared to nazism?
there is a way to take a stand without going to that extreme
well i never said they used a GOOD example.  but i think the point is that they were trying to make an extreme example to put it out there. i mean really, we can't pick and choose the way someone protests and what they use...that's their choice.
that's like pro-lifers/anti abortion critics who hire a plane and pull a banner across the sky during the summertime with a pic of an aborted fetus all bloody and disgusting on it --- right over the beach. i hate it -- and i've seen it before and i think its extreme to do it where families are at. you know how much it suucked trying to explain to my niece & nephew what it was when they were building sand castles and looked up and saw that!
i don't agree with the way those ppl did it -- or the kids with the hitler youth pins--but i guess its whats protected under the first ammendment and right to protest
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Phyl
I was at Fed-Ex on 9/11 and another customer was there w/ her young DD who was wearing a red,white.blue t-shirt with her Green GS vest over it. The lady at the counter asked the girl if she was just comming from GS and she said no. The mom then explained she wasn't allowed to wear flag colors to school today so she covered up with her vest!
ETA: I was standing there thinking W T H????????
OMG this saddens me beyond belief
Me too! While my kids were in school I witnessed many things that were taken away such as their December Holiday Concert
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MsMBV
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by Phyl
Me too! While my kids were in school I witnessed many things that were taken away such as their December Holiday Concert
My choral director got threatened with a law suit b/c we were to sing "From a Distance" and some parent protested forcing us to sing "God is watching us," so he had to change it to "someone is watching us." So insane.
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| Posted 9/21/07 1:05 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by MsMBV
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MrsPJB2007
I think this is a case there the media is flipping it and is making it into something more ---- if you read the whole article you see the kids are almost saying "if you force us to wear school uniforms, you are no better than those who forced the Hitler youth to wear uniforms"
that is asinine IMO. what about Catholic schools? are they to be compared to nazism?
there is a way to take a stand without going to that extreme
I think Parochial schools are different in that you have to actively apply to and take tests to be accepted. It is not required to go to a parochial school. KWIM?
these 2 kids don't have to liken a uniform policy to a regime that killed 20 million people.
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| Posted 9/21/07 1:06 PM |
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Re: So let me get this straight....
Posted by Phyl
I was at Fed-Ex on 9/11 and another customer was there w/ her young DD who was wearing a red,white.blue t-shirt with her Green GS vest over it. The lady at the counter asked the girl if she was just comming from GS and she said no. The mom then explained she wasn't allowed to wear flag colors to school today so she covered up with her vest!
ETA: I was standing there thinking W T H????????
This makes me sick.
I would love to hear the logic behind this decision.
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