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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
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Sanders
I don't know how anyone can really support Trump. Not even because he is a blowhard, but because he has ZERO political experience (and no, this is not a "breath of fresh air", it is inexperience). And several failed businesses!!
All a Trump presidency would mean is 4 years of him fighting with Congress and NOTHING getting done. I think people forget about Congress....
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
For the same reason that people trash the "welfare mom" while ignoring the fact that Corporate America is the largest recipient of government hand-outs.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
For the same reason that people trash the "welfare mom" while ignoring the fact that Corporate America is the largest recipient of government hand-outs.
Exactly - do people not see the corporate bailouts, tax cuts and greed?
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
For the same reason that people trash the "welfare mom" while ignoring the fact that Corporate America is the largest recipient of government hand-outs.
Exactly - do people not see the corporate bailouts, tax cuts and greed?
But but but... Trickle down! It works, right? 
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
For the same reason that people trash the "welfare mom" while ignoring the fact that Corporate America is the largest recipient of government hand-outs.
Exactly - do people not see the corporate bailouts, tax cuts and greed?
But but but... Trickle down! It works, right?
Exactly, and no-one is seeing job creation or wage increases that was supposed to be generated by these tax breaks.
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This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/
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But but but... Trickle down! It works, right?
I am married to an economist...and while I cannot explain any of this stuff to save my life, he says it does not work. 
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JustBrowsing
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
God forbid I am entitled to my own opinion that doesn't go along with everyone else.
Wasn't there a thread about that yesterday that got pulled?
I am all for helping. There is helping and there is pilfering. And to everyone else, I never said anything about corporate america not needing an overhaul with their perks either.
It is not one or the other, I have MY OWN opinions about issues. Just because I said I would vote for Trump doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
Do you agree with EVERYTHING Sanders says? Probably not.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
why should someone, like HOward Stern, who has busted his arse to make his career, who came from nothing and to get where he is, now have to fork over 50% of his income? This is ridiculous. We are not a socialist country, although it does feel like we are on the road to that.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
why should someone, like HOward Stern, who has busted his arse to make his career, who came from nothing and to get where he is, now have to fork over 50% of his income? This is ridiculous. We are not a socialist country, although it does feel like we are on the road to that.
I agree with free enterprise and all. But I guess the general concept is to not have a handful of people controlling most of the wealth. One side says they don't want free health care, no one should be given food stamps and govt aid. Against people getting a measly $15 an hour. That's their position, their stance. They are entitled to that feeling. But then you gotta do something at least, right? Like it can't be both ways, ya know?
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Kitten1929
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
God forbid I am entitled to my own opinion that doesn't go along with everyone else.
Wasn't there a thread about that yesterday that got pulled?
I am all for helping. There is helping and there is pilfering. And to everyone else, I never said anything about corporate america not needing an overhaul with their perks either.
It is not one or the other, I have MY OWN opinions about issues. Just because I said I would vote for Trump doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
Do you agree with EVERYTHING Sanders says? Probably not.
Ronald Reagan created the myth of this incendiary Welfare Queen back in the 80s to help solidify his paltform for tax cuts and welfare reform.
Why do people keep perpetuating these myths?
And while yes - maybe there are people who take advantage in some way, shape or form I would venture to say that it's not nearly as prevalent as politicians would have you believe simply because the welfare system in and of itself is designed to discourage inclusion as there are limits to what type of benefits people can get, how long they can receive them for, dollar caps, etc. And the largest population receiving some form of government assistance are the elderly and children.
And please - spare me any stories about how you know someone's uncle's stepson's sister in law who knows someone who went to school with a drug dealer who was on welfare and would drive an Escalade to pick up his check.
7 Common Myths about Welfare
ETA:
You want people to work, but you don't want to pay a fair living wage.
You want kids to go to college, but make it unaffordable without the use of predatory student loans.
You don't think affordable access to medical care is a basic, human right.
The list goes on and on. But Howard Stern deserves a break, OK, got it. Joe Schmoe who can't put food on his table, doesn't.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
If we are trillions in debt, and can't pay our current bills, how does cutting taxes for EVERYONE somehow give us enough money to do anything? He's going to have to cut budgets for everything, including the military. Math is math (except for Trump... he has the MOST AMAZING math...)
It sounds like pandering to me. He's going to promise tax cuts for everyone, then if he gets elected, he'll blame Congress or the Dems for forcing him to increase taxes higher than Sander's numbers. He has a track record of doing stuff like that with his businesses.....
During the 1950s and early 1960s, the top bracket income tax rate was over 90%--and the economy, middle-class, and stock market boomed.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
why should someone, like HOward Stern, who has busted his arse to make his career, who came from nothing and to get where he is, now have to fork over 50% of his income? This is ridiculous. We are not a socialist country, although it does feel like we are on the road to that.
I agree with free enterprise and all. But I guess the general concept is to not have a handful of people controlling most of the wealth. One side says they don't want free health care, no one should be given food stamps and govt aid. Against people getting a measly $15 an hour. That's their position, their stance. They are entitled to that feeling. But then you gotta do something at least, right? Like it can't be both ways, ya know?
If someone is working for their own wealth..Howard Stern, why should he not be in control of his wealth?
This country does so something. This country provides WIC and food stamps, but it is unregulated for the most part and little out of hand. We provide affordable healthcare now, it's the law. There is free healthcare for illegal aliens and people who can't afford it. This country is not doing nothing. It needs to be overhauled.
There is an extreme of both sides, one side says give nothing, the other side wants to give away the store. No one wants to compromise anymore, compromise is seen as weak. Compromise used to be a positive quality. No one wants to meet in the middle, it is my way or no way. As are many of the opinions in this thread. Don't ask who someone would pick if you aren't going to like their answer! Talk about setting someone up for a beating! I didn't beat anyone up because they like Sanders.
A little respect for someone's personal opinion wouldn't kill people.
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Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
why should someone, like HOward Stern, who has busted his arse to make his career, who came from nothing and to get where he is, now have to fork over 50% of his income? This is ridiculous. We are not a socialist country, although it does feel like we are on the road to that.
I agree with free enterprise and all. But I guess the general concept is to not have a handful of people controlling most of the wealth. One side says they don't want free health care, no one should be given food stamps and govt aid. Against people getting a measly $15 an hour. That's their position, their stance. They are entitled to that feeling. But then you gotta do something at least, right? Like it can't be both ways, ya know?
If someone is working for their own wealth..Howard Stern, why should he not be in control of his wealth?
This country does so something. This country provides WIC and food stamps, but it is unregulated for the most part and little out of hand. We provide affordable healthcare now, it's the law. There is free healthcare for illegal aliens and people who can't afford it. This country is not doing nothing. It needs to be overhauled.
There is an extreme of both sides, one side says give nothing, the other side wants to give away the store. No one wants to compromise anymore, compromise is seen as weak. Compromise used to be a positive quality. No one wants to meet in the middle, it is my way or no way. As are many of the opinions in this thread. Don't ask who someone would pick if you aren't going to like their answer! Talk about setting someone up for a beating! I didn't beat anyone up because they like Sanders.
A little respect for someone's personal opinion wouldn't kill people.
I totally respect your opinion, for the record! :). I'm right leaning on certain issues, so I'm open.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
If we are trillions in debt, and can't pay our current bills, how does cutting taxes for EVERYONE somehow give us enough money to do anything? He's going to have to cut budgets for everything, including the military. Math is math (except for Trump... he has the MOST AMAZING math...)
It sounds like pandering to me. He's going to promise tax cuts for everyone, then if he gets elected, he'll blame Congress or the Dems for forcing him to increase taxes higher than Sander's numbers. He has a track record of doing stuff like that with his businesses.....
During the 1950s and early 1960s, the top bracket income tax rate was over 90%--and the economy, middle-class, and stock market boomed.
Not being snarky, because I just don't know...what was the amount of people receiving social services during the 50's and 60s? What were the social services limited to during that time? What was the military budget? how many illegal aliens were receiving social services in this country?
For a small example, I just looked it up, WIC was entered as a pilot program in 1972 and became a permanent program in 1975. I am NOT saying we should not help women and children, it is just an example of 1 program that did not exist in the time you are referencing. It was a different time, post WWII in the 50's, women were not prevalent in the work force, you really can't compare that time with now.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
This is Sanders tax plan (it's a graphic. Very simple)
http://rebrn.com/re/the-new-bernie-sanders-proposed-tax-brackets-compared-to-rates-t-2146145/IMAGE
why should someone, like HOward Stern, who has busted his arse to make his career, who came from nothing and to get where he is, now have to fork over 50% of his income? This is ridiculous. We are not a socialist country, although it does feel like we are on the road to that.
Using that same logic, why should the average person, who also busted their ass in their careers, maybe not as a celebrity, but a doctor, lawyer, teacher, etc. pay the same percentage in taxes as the millionaire celebrity or CEO?
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
God forbid I am entitled to my own opinion that doesn't go along with everyone else.
Wasn't there a thread about that yesterday that got pulled?
I am all for helping. There is helping and there is pilfering. And to everyone else, I never said anything about corporate america not needing an overhaul with their perks either.
It is not one or the other, I have MY OWN opinions about issues. Just because I said I would vote for Trump doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
Do you agree with EVERYTHING Sanders says? Probably not.
Ronald Reagan created the myth of this incendiary Welfare Queen back in the 80s to help solidify his paltform for tax cuts and welfare reform.
Why do people keep perpetuating these myths?
And while yes - maybe there are people who take advantage in some way, shape or form I would venture to say that it's not nearly as prevalent as politicians would have you believe simply because the welfare system in and of itself is designed to discourage inclusion as there are limits to what type of benefits people can get, how long they can receive them for, dollar caps, etc. And the largest population receiving some form of government assistance are the elderly and children.
And please - spare me any stories about how you know someone's uncle's stepson's sister in law who knows someone who went to school with a drug dealer who was on welfare and would drive an Escalade to pick up his check.
7 Common Myths about Welfare
ETA:
You want people to work, but you don't want to pay a fair living wage.
You want kids to go to college, but make it unaffordable without the use of predatory student loans.
You don't think affordable access to medical care is a basic, human right.
The list goes on and on. But Howard Stern deserves a break, OK, got it. Joe Schmoe who can't put food on his table, doesn't.
Actually, it's not just drug dealers. It's hard working men divorcing their wives on paper, but still living together so the wife can collect her welfare checks, and he can make 100k a year. Then they cram their 5 kids, and grandmother into their 3 bedroom apartment and work the system.
Happens more than you think, we know someone first hand that does this.
Bernies tax plan is going to force more and more corporations over seas He wants to tax the wealthiest 50% of their income? Well guess what, that is when layoffs continue, raises stop, hiring stops, etc... Sure raise minimum wage to $15 an hour, but when people are laid off to make up for the additional taxes and pay increase, it will all blow up. You cannot give everyone free education, someone is paying, we cannot continue to provide free healthcare for illegals, our country cannot afford it. Something has to give, and a socialist economy (which Bernie is) is not the way.
I am sorry but Trump will do a much better job than Bernie.
The percentage for Trump based on this poll is pretty high for a Liberal State. We have a lot of red states in this country, and I have a feeling Trump is going to take this one all the way. Hillary is not going to make enough of a change to be elected, people are tired of Obama, and she is not offering much difference.
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Posted by ElizaRags35
But but but... Trickle down! It works, right?
I am married to an economist...and while I cannot explain any of this stuff to save my life, he says it does not work.
Are you able to share who your hubby thinks would be good for the economy as a whole? Or what systems he thinks work and what doesn't? I would imagine people who study this stuff would be more apt to have a concrete understanding than the normal person
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I don't understand any of this. So like the investors on Shark Tank, I'm out.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I don't care if I even agree with some of Trumps agenda he has no business to be in office and I cant believe people actually want to see him in office. really those people should be ashamed of themselves the amount of stupid shit he has said should be enough to not vote for him.
it will be a sad/disappointing/embarrassing day if Trump actually gets elected to be our president.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
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I don't understand any of this. So like the investors on Shark Tank, I'm out.
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by JustBrowsing
It would definitely be Trump. There is no way I would ever vote for Sanders and I am registered Democrat. He wants to raise taxes and provide free healthcare and education. ALl nice ideas but I don't think he can really pay for it. It kind of works in Germany but that country is so small and do we want to be taxed to death?
I would take Trump for 4 years if he could financially benefit this country and not screw us more in taxes.
Why do we never bat an eyelash when the president want to spend billions on war/military but decry the fall of civilization at the thought of helping our own people?
God forbid I am entitled to my own opinion that doesn't go along with everyone else.
Wasn't there a thread about that yesterday that got pulled?
I am all for helping. There is helping and there is pilfering. And to everyone else, I never said anything about corporate america not needing an overhaul with their perks either.
It is not one or the other, I have MY OWN opinions about issues. Just because I said I would vote for Trump doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
Do you agree with EVERYTHING Sanders says? Probably not.
Ronald Reagan created the myth of this incendiary Welfare Queen back in the 80s to help solidify his paltform for tax cuts and welfare reform.
Why do people keep perpetuating these myths?
And while yes - maybe there are people who take advantage in some way, shape or form I would venture to say that it's not nearly as prevalent as politicians would have you believe simply because the welfare system in and of itself is designed to discourage inclusion as there are limits to what type of benefits people can get, how long they can receive them for, dollar caps, etc. And the largest population receiving some form of government assistance are the elderly and children.
And please - spare me any stories about how you know someone's uncle's stepson's sister in law who knows someone who went to school with a drug dealer who was on welfare and would drive an Escalade to pick up his check.
7 Common Myths about Welfare
ETA:
You want people to work, but you don't want to pay a fair living wage.
You want kids to go to college, but make it unaffordable without the use of predatory student loans.
You don't think affordable access to medical care is a basic, human right.
The list goes on and on. But Howard Stern deserves a break, OK, got it. Joe Schmoe who can't put food on his table, doesn't.
Actually, it's not just drug dealers. It's hard working men divorcing their wives on paper, but still living together so the wife can collect her welfare checks, and he can make 100k a year. Then they cram their 5 kids, and grandmother into their 3 bedroom apartment and work the system.
Happens more than you think, we know someone first hand that does this.
Bernies tax plan is going to force more and more corporations over seas He wants to tax the wealthiest 50% of their income? Well guess what, that is when layoffs continue, raises stop, hiring stops, etc... Sure raise minimum wage to $15 an hour, but when people are laid off to make up for the additional taxes and pay increase, it will all blow up. You cannot give everyone free education, someone is paying, we cannot continue to provide free healthcare for illegals, our country cannot afford it. Something has to give, and a socialist economy (which Bernie is) is not the way.
I am sorry but Trump will do a much better job than Bernie.
The percentage for Trump based on this poll is pretty high for a Liberal State. We have a lot of red states in this country, and I have a feeling Trump is going to take this one all the way. Hillary is not going to make enough of a change to be elected, people are tired of Obama, and she is not offering much difference.
Long Island is generally pretty red... have you read comments on News12 or Newsday?
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by blu6385
I don't care if I even agree with some of Trumps agenda he has no business to be in office and I cant believe people actually want to see him in office. really those people should be ashamed of themselves the amount of stupid shit he has said should be enough to not vote for him.
it will be a sad/disappointing/embarrassing day if Trump actually gets elected to be our president.
Oh you mean like this?
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LOL. At least I'm not lying. I hate politics lol
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