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Spinoff: If you had to
They are just clowns. Cruz and Rubio and Trump. How they are acting now is so disgusting. Going to turn off more people from the R party.
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Posted 2/26/16 4:46 PM |
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by LotsaLuv
Posted by JennZ
Posted by BunnyWife
Please. Trump can't even handle Megyn Kelly being "mean" to him and you would trust this guy with the nukes? Hell to the no.
Ding ding ding..i
That is not why he declined. He declined because of the way she treated him in the first debate. He said if she moderated the next debate he wouldn't attend. Fox News decided to keep her, so he stood by what he said and declined.
He is not scared of her. She was an asshole to him. Once again, Trump will not take anyones Bull shit. He is not PC, nor does he have to be. To run a country the proper way, you cannot worry about everyones feelings. Run the country. A CEO of a company does not worry about employees feelings, they do what they have to keep the company running. Sure employees count, but not when everything and anything offends them.
We need a strong leader, a strong leader that will not cave into the PC nonsense.
Ok. You don't have to worry about everyone's feelings-fine-but he's not only not worrying about feelings, but outright attacking-BIG difference
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Posted 2/27/16 7:02 AM |
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DRMom
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
Nothing says respect for women like having an intern on her knees in the Oval Office.
In all seriousness, I think they are all a-holes and if this is all we are given, I am not voting. I am hoping there is a semi decent independent candidate I can get behind. I never was a Bloomberg fan but I would vote for him over any of these other options in a heartbeat.
this happened after he was on office ... and she chose to do it ... so if anything she has no respect for her self (yes i know she was probably impressionable and he should have known better but she is still accountable) and he is douche for cheating on his wife but that IMO is between him and her ... i would never marry him or would have i stayed married but to each their own
It was a joke. Regardless though I believe anyone who would cheat on their spouse with multiple other women must not have much respect for the female sex.
I think you are missing the point. Clinton-is he respectable after that? Not really. However, there is a big difference between a CONSENSUAL sexual act and a candidate for President saying he thinks putting women and men together in the military is the basis for rape...and it's A-ok. He is a mysogynist pig who has zero respect for women and I 100% concur if you are a woman thinking of voting for him, you need your head checked.
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Posted 2/27/16 1:00 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Bernie Sanders 1000000000%. I will say I am a tremendous Sanders supporter to begin with.
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Posted 2/27/16 1:45 PM |
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blessedmama
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Hilary just beat Bernie in SC
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Posted 2/27/16 7:23 PM |
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teachermom
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by JustBrowsing
Posted by alli3131
Wow this thread took a turn. And I guess the snow brought out the drama threads!!!!
I think politics does that. If you can't have a mature conversation and exchange of ideas without insulting someone, it's bound to happen.
I can't avoid pointing out the irony of your statement. Has your guy Trump been able to have a single mature conversation since he started campaigning? All he does is insult and degrade his opponents and those who disagree with him.
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Posted 2/28/16 1:51 PM |
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teachermom
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I'd just like to let Trump supporters know that he refuses to condemn the KKK or white supremacist groups that are ENDORSING him. Is this the man you want leading your nation? Is this the face you want people to associate with our nation?
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Posted 2/28/16 1:53 PM |
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by teachermom
I'd just like to let Trump supporters know that he refuses to condemn the KKK or white supremacist groups that are ENDORSING him. Is this the man you want leading your nation? Is this the face you want people to associate with our nation?
I don't know how any American who at least has a high school education does not know anything about the KKK. My 8 year old knows about them.
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Posted 2/28/16 3:29 PM |
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seaside
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I am not a fan of any of the candidates. That said, I would genuinely like to know. How is Trump defining "PC" when he uses the term? How are his supporters when they gleefully proclaim that he has no time for it? What does that mean? I genuinely can't figure out what he means by that.
I also think, for what it's worth, that Megyn Kelly's questions of him were very fair. If he wants to be everyone's president, shouldn't we care about his views on women as a group?
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Posted 2/28/16 3:35 PM |
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Peainapod
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I cant vote for Sanders, or Trump. I really dont know what I would do.
Sanders is going to tax the sh*T out of the middle class and up to pay for all his free programs.
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Posted 2/28/16 6:17 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by Peainapod
Sanders is going to tax the sh*T out of the middle class and up to pay for all his free programs.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
Please read up on his plan. Most of his programs would only effect the super wealthy. People like you (I assume) and me will not be paying so much more. Bernie's programs will invest in our people and communities, improving our quality of life and stimulating the economy.
I believe that is worth it.
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Posted 2/28/16 9:11 PM |
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LeeCR7
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
For me it is very simple: Am I going to support the candidate whose platform is based on spewing hatred, or am I going to support the candidate whose platform is built on helping all Americans?
I agree that Trump was as shocked as the rest of us at his success, and I also agree with his own assertion that he could shoot someone and his supporters will still back him. There have been several studies that showed his supporters that he was lying or hypocritical (the same qualities they complained about in other candidates) and they didn't care. To an extent, we all justify and rationalize our choices, but it seems like Trump's supporters dig in more because they are so determined to have an anti-establishment candidate that it overrides any other consideration (which I am not against, by the way: I have long said the 2 party system is hurting the country).
This is the first year I have contributed to a campaign. I have always voted against who I didn't like in the past, and as an independent, I have voted for both parties. Bernie Sanders has so much of what people profess to like about Trump without any of the hatred. He, too, is beholden to no one but the millions of people like me who contributed to his campaign. Although he is a senator, as an independent he never got involved in the party politics, and was not controlled by the "party elite." Who else but Bernie would outright admit that he would raise everybody's taxes and be admired for it? It has become absolute poison in politics to admit to raising any taxes except the rich. He is not being PC here (in the sense not saying what makes better political sense); he is being forthright and brave.
For those who call him a socialist, a few things: Younger people don't care about that label anymore. It's just not scary to them. It may not matter this election, but eventually, as the young take over, the fear we have of socialism is likely to fade. Secondly, we are not a socialist country, but we have socialist programs, which are very, very popular (Medicare, Social Security, etc). And you know what? The same arguments were made then, when they were proposed. Sadly, my family is nowhere near rich, but I would gladly pay more so other Americans can do better. It just seems very fair to me that we all pay a little more in taxes to help the whole country. A strong, prosperous country is good for us all.
Finally, Bernie Sanders makes me hopeful. This is obviously an ad made by his campaign, but he has said this again and again: we need to stand together rather than be divided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyhfJTFJHu8
For so long both parties have tried to get our vote by making us fear the other party. Republicans are warned of the avaricious Democrats, hands outstretched for anything that they can get for free, wanting the government to provide and do everything for them. And Democrats are warned of the hateful Republicans, who care only for rich white men, and who are chipping away at human rights a little at a time. Both have some small basis in truth, but I'm sick of being told my neighbor is my enemy.
Donald Trump, whether intentionally or not, is galvanizing people by demonizing others, making us turn against each other. I will not reward him for that, because what will happen next election, and the one after that? Even more hatred, more intolerance. Bernie Sanders, for all his flaws, sees us all as Americans. In this election, and always, I reject hate and choose my fellow Americans.
And on a lighter note (obviously not why I would vote for him), he is adorable. I love his crazy hair and how his suits are never perfectly fitting like the rest of them. He seems real to me, in a way Trump the born millionaire and reality star never could.
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Posted 2/28/16 10:43 PM |
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cds58019
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Spinoff: If you had to
I think it's funny that all you people who keep saying Trump as no business running since he's not a politician. Look at where our country is now, I'm pretty sure politicians are not steering us in the right direction.
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Posted 2/28/16 11:02 PM |
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BlackJack96
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I'd vote for neither and write in a 3rd party candidate. Of the current group I like Kasich but he's not going to win.
Being Muslim, I can't get behind Trump. To ban a whole religious group from entering the country is racist and ignorant. The cadre of Muslims who are involved in terrorism is small (we're talking a percent of a percent).
The whole wall/deportation thing may win some votes but is just ludicrous.
It's a shame, because I actually agree with a few of his proposals outside of these two areas. However, I can't get behind someone who is building his support by tapping into xenophobia.
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Posted 2/29/16 12:07 AM |
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sourpatchkids
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by BlackJack96
The whole wall/deportation thing may win some votes but is just ludicrous.
Why is this ludicrous? Please no flames...I just genuinely want to know what is wrong with wanting to secure our nation's borders against illegal immigrants?
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Posted 2/29/16 12:28 AM |
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BlackJack96
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I have no problem with securing our borders. However, deporting 11 million people, building a wall (and getting Mexico to pay for it) are just not feasible.
Many of the immigrants who are hear illegally just want better for their families and are willing to work hard to do it. I believe the data doesn't bear out that they are all murderers and rapists and commit crimes (other than the crime of being here) at a rate higher than citizens. At this point if you've been here for a while you should have a path to legal status.
Honestly, if it were up to me I'd keep the illegal folks who want to work hard in this country and ship the citizens who don't want to work to Mexico! Although, that also is not feasible.
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Posted 2/29/16 12:42 AM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by LeeCR7
For me it is very simple: Am I going to support the candidate whose platform is based on spewing hatred, or am I going to support the candidate whose platform is built on helping all Americans?
I agree that Trump was as shocked as the rest of us at his success, and I also agree with his own assertion that he could shoot someone and his supporters will still back him. There have been several studies that showed his supporters that he was lying or hypocritical (the same qualities they complained about in other candidates) and they didn't care. To an extent, we all justify and rationalize our choices, but it seems like Trump's supporters dig in more because they are so determined to have an anti-establishment candidate that it overrides any other consideration (which I am not against, by the way: I have long said the 2 party system is hurting the country).
This is the first year I have contributed to a campaign. I have always voted against who I didn't like in the past, and as an independent, I have voted for both parties. Bernie Sanders has so much of what people profess to like about Trump without any of the hatred. He, too, is beholden to no one but the millions of people like me who contributed to his campaign. Although he is a senator, as an independent he never got involved in the party politics, and was not controlled by the "party elite." Who else but Bernie would outright admit that he would raise everybody's taxes and be admired for it? It has become absolute poison in politics to admit to raising any taxes except the rich. He is not being PC here (in the sense not saying what makes better political sense); he is being forthright and brave.
For those who call him a socialist, a few things: Younger people don't care about that label anymore. It's just not scary to them. It may not matter this election, but eventually, as the young take over, the fear we have of socialism is likely to fade. Secondly, we are not a socialist country, but we have socialist programs, which are very, very popular (Medicare, Social Security, etc). And you know what? The same arguments were made then, when they were proposed. Sadly, my family is nowhere near rich, but I would gladly pay more so other Americans can do better. It just seems very fair to me that we all pay a little more in taxes to help the whole country. A strong, prosperous country is good for us all.
Finally, Bernie Sanders makes me hopeful. This is obviously an ad made by his campaign, but he has said this again and again: we need to stand together rather than be divided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyhfJTFJHu8
For so long both parties have tried to get our vote by making us fear the other party. Republicans are warned of the avaricious Democrats, hands outstretched for anything that they can get for free, wanting the government to provide and do everything for them. And Democrats are warned of the hateful Republicans, who care only for rich white men, and who are chipping away at human rights a little at a time. Both have some small basis in truth, but I'm sick of being told my neighbor is my enemy.
Donald Trump, whether intentionally or not, is galvanizing people by demonizing others, making us turn against each other. I will not reward him for that, because what will happen next election, and the one after that? Even more hatred, more intolerance. Bernie Sanders, for all his flaws, sees us all as Americans. In this election, and always, I reject hate and choose my fellow Americans.
And on a lighter note (obviously not why I would vote for him), he is adorable. I love his crazy hair and how his suits are never perfectly fitting like the rest of them. He seems real to me, in a way Trump the born millionaire and reality star never could.
All. Of. This. All of it.
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Posted 2/29/16 12:48 AM |
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by BlackJack96
The whole wall/deportation thing may win some votes but is just ludicrous.
Why is this ludicrous? Please no flames...I just genuinely want to know what is wrong with wanting to secure our nation's borders against illegal immigrants?
To start I think most of our illegal and legal immigrants come from Asia.
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Posted 2/29/16 6:34 AM |
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Posted 2/29/16 7:31 AM |
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Chai77
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by LeeCR7
For me it is very simple: Am I going to support the candidate whose platform is based on spewing hatred, or am I going to support the candidate whose platform is built on helping all Americans?
I agree that Trump was as shocked as the rest of us at his success, and I also agree with his own assertion that he could shoot someone and his supporters will still back him. There have been several studies that showed his supporters that he was lying or hypocritical (the same qualities they complained about in other candidates) and they didn't care. To an extent, we all justify and rationalize our choices, but it seems like Trump's supporters dig in more because they are so determined to have an anti-establishment candidate that it overrides any other consideration (which I am not against, by the way: I have long said the 2 party system is hurting the country).
This is the first year I have contributed to a campaign. I have always voted against who I didn't like in the past, and as an independent, I have voted for both parties. Bernie Sanders has so much of what people profess to like about Trump without any of the hatred. He, too, is beholden to no one but the millions of people like me who contributed to his campaign. Although he is a senator, as an independent he never got involved in the party politics, and was not controlled by the "party elite." Who else but Bernie would outright admit that he would raise everybody's taxes and be admired for it? It has become absolute poison in politics to admit to raising any taxes except the rich. He is not being PC here (in the sense not saying what makes better political sense); he is being forthright and brave.
For those who call him a socialist, a few things: Younger people don't care about that label anymore. It's just not scary to them. It may not matter this election, but eventually, as the young take over, the fear we have of socialism is likely to fade. Secondly, we are not a socialist country, but we have socialist programs, which are very, very popular (Medicare, Social Security, etc). And you know what? The same arguments were made then, when they were proposed. Sadly, my family is nowhere near rich, but I would gladly pay more so other Americans can do better. It just seems very fair to me that we all pay a little more in taxes to help the whole country. A strong, prosperous country is good for us all.
Finally, Bernie Sanders makes me hopeful. This is obviously an ad made by his campaign, but he has said this again and again: we need to stand together rather than be divided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyhfJTFJHu8
For so long both parties have tried to get our vote by making us fear the other party. Republicans are warned of the avaricious Democrats, hands outstretched for anything that they can get for free, wanting the government to provide and do everything for them. And Democrats are warned of the hateful Republicans, who care only for rich white men, and who are chipping away at human rights a little at a time. Both have some small basis in truth, but I'm sick of being told my neighbor is my enemy.
Donald Trump, whether intentionally or not, is galvanizing people by demonizing others, making us turn against each other. I will not reward him for that, because what will happen next election, and the one after that? Even more hatred, more intolerance. Bernie Sanders, for all his flaws, sees us all as Americans. In this election, and always, I reject hate and choose my fellow Americans.
And on a lighter note (obviously not why I would vote for him), he is adorable. I love his crazy hair and how his suits are never perfectly fitting like the rest of them. He seems real to me, in a way Trump the born millionaire and reality star never could.
All. Of. This. All of it.
Yes!! me too.
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Posted 2/29/16 8:45 AM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
They are just clowns. Cruz and Rubio and Trump. How they are acting now is so disgusting. Going to turn off more people from the R party.
Yup. The things they insult each other on are so childish. Like Rubio just made fun of trump for having small hands. Really? REALLY?
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Posted 2/29/16 9:30 AM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
If you guys could just capitalize your 'T' when you write Trump that would be great . I just got the Drumpfinator extension for Chrome
John Oliver did a great piece on him this week.
If he's elected, they'd better change the rules/cost on renouncing your citizenship.
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Posted 2/29/16 9:36 AM |
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Peainapod
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
http://fee.org/articles/why-bernie-sanders-has-to-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class/
this seems like a non partisan laymens way of understanding the tax plan.
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Posted 2/29/16 10:24 AM |
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
Posted by cds58019
I think it's funny that all you people who keep saying Trump as no business running since he's not a politician. Look at where our country is now, I'm pretty sure politicians are not steering us in the right direction.
The fact that he is not a politician is the least of the reasons why he shouldn't be running for president.
If someone had come along who was not a politician, but had amazing, positive ideas, I'd be all for that. But, the problem with Trump is that the people that are voting for him are doing it because he is an "outsider" not based on what he is saying.
The man couldn't decide what to say about David Duke and the KKK. David freaking Duke! Now he is blaming the earpiece he was wearing for his confusion. Does he really think the american people are that stupid? Well, he might be right.
I will be voting for Hillary. Call her a crook, a terrible woman for standing by her adulterous husband, or any of the other multitude of insults she has dealt with for over 25 years, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let a pompous, narcissistic, azzhole become our next President. Hillary might be far from perfect, but I'll take her over Trump any day.
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Posted 2/29/16 11:45 AM |
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Pumpkin1
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Re: Spinoff: If you had to
I really hope it doesn't come down to these two. I think Trump should change his slogan to "Make American Great Again for White Men" because America is a much better place now for women and minorities than it has ever been.
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Posted 2/29/16 12:01 PM |
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