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emc
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Secretmama3
I do not know of any 2 year olds who are in nursery school. Nursery school programs do not start until age 3, before that, its pretty much a daycare setting.
I work in a preschool that has two year olds, and its structured, its not just a daycare.
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
I work in a preschool that has two year olds, and its structured, its not just a daycare.
Me too!
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
How many of us were watched by others and when thinking back to our childhood consider those people to have raised us? I know I don't....my Mom and Dad raised me, even if at times they had to work and I wasn't in their sight...
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| Posted 4/10/07 6:01 PM |
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emc
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
I am a working mother who constantly feels guilty for not spending enough time with my son.( I have a great schedule...teacher's calendar, but work full time in 4 days-which I am thankful for everyday) When sharing this with my mom she said "please, you lived on tv." My parents were 18 when they had me and I was passed around between family members and my parents my entire childhood, but I am very close to my parents now and do you think I remember who watched me everyday of my childhood? No way. I think it is the QUALITY of childcare that matters, not WHO provides it. My son is in an in home daycare and I love his babysitter. In fact, both my children will be with her again next school year and I am so relieved.
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| Posted 4/10/07 6:15 PM |
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emc
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
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I read your previous post and I was with you all the way! Its a little outside the topic of SAHM's...more towards the neglectful parenting side, which I am sure (from reading everyone's sentiments) that no one is...
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NS1976
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Ya know what..your right. I deleted because that is a different thread entirely.
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| Posted 4/10/07 6:19 PM |
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emc
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
I didn't mean that you should...sorry, but I'll edit my quote of your post...
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| Posted 4/10/07 6:24 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by Maathy317
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Maathy317
Whether you are a SAHM or a working mom, you have a tough job. Being a parent is the hardest thing you will ever do. There shouldn't be any "one versus the other". You are all in this together. Would all of you like to stay home? Of course. Life doesn't work that way.
Ok, sorry to start this back up, but I have a bone to pick here - I hate the assumptions that are made in this debate. "Would you all like to stay home?" For me, NO, I wouldn't. To assume that every mom would like to stay home, and the ones that are working, are doing so against their wishes, that really irks me.
Sorry. Didn't mean to "irk". Go to work and enjoy yourself. Whatever floats your boat.
This should be the quote of the day  
Maathy...I meant it was funny! I love what you wrote....change it back! sorry writing on computers always causes misinterpretations.
Oh, I understood that. What I changed was a spelling error. I'm very anal about posting something that was misspelled.
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| Posted 4/10/07 7:34 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
I was reading some of these posts and it made me wonder for those of you that think that daycare providers are doing the job of raising children are you planning on homeschooling your kids? Because at a certain point they are going to have to be educated and if they're like most kids they will go to school where they will spend the majority of their day. Before I became a SAHM I was an educator and I never felt that I was raising other people's children. Yes, I think that educators and daycare providers have an influence on children, but to say that they are raising the children is a bit extreme IMO.
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
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You know, I thought this was a forum to get our thoughts out and maybe to educate others on a perspective they aren't entirely aware of, NOT a forum to POKE fun at people. I rarely, if never, get offended in these debates, or take things personally, but you know what? This time I am. In fact, I'm really p!ssed off.
Thank you very much for your excellent display of total and complete immaturity 
And, Maathy, that goes for you too...
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Bxgell2
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You know, I thought this was a forum to get our thoughts out and maybe to educate others on a perspective they aren't entirely aware of, NOT a forum to POKE fun at people. I rarely, if never, get offended in these debates, or take things personally, but you know what? This time I am. In fact, I'm really p!ssed off.
Thank you very much for your excellent display of total and complete immaturity
I agree. That was completely unnecessary and frankly, nasty.
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| Posted 4/10/07 8:21 PM |
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Maathy317
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Bxgell2
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You know, I thought this was a forum to get our thoughts out and maybe to educate others on a perspective they aren't entirely aware of, NOT a forum to POKE fun at people. I rarely, if never, get offended in these debates, or take things personally, but you know what? This time I am. In fact, I'm really p!ssed off.
Thank you very much for your excellent display of total and complete immaturity
And, Maathy, that goes for you too...
You are SO very welcome. I aim to please.
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Maathy317
Posted by Bxgell2
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You know, I thought this was a forum to get our thoughts out and maybe to educate others on a perspective they aren't entirely aware of, NOT a forum to POKE fun at people. I rarely, if never, get offended in these debates, or take things personally, but you know what? This time I am. In fact, I'm really p!ssed off.
Thank you very much for your excellent display of total and complete immaturity
And, Maathy, that goes for you too...
You are SO very welcome. I aim to please.
Wow... you know what? I guess it's ok that you lash out at random people on a public forum, as long as you get it out on here, so when you go back to your little grandkids, you're a nicer grandmommy
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| Posted 4/10/07 8:58 PM |
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Posted by PrincessP
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Ok so by what is being said today, if I don't co-sleep with my children and they're in another room to sleep...does this mean the boogy man is raising my children too???
Sorry just had to lighten this post up a little.   
I co-sleep so i am a better mommy then you 
My dd doesnt have to see the boogie man hehe...
Laura you crack me up!
Oh yeah, well I plan to BF until they're 3...I'm a better mommy than you! (obviously kidding)
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Maathy317
Posted by Bxgell2
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You know, I thought this was a forum to get our thoughts out and maybe to educate others on a perspective they aren't entirely aware of, NOT a forum to POKE fun at people. I rarely, if never, get offended in these debates, or take things personally, but you know what? This time I am. In fact, I'm really p!ssed off.
Thank you very much for your excellent display of total and complete immaturity
And, Maathy, that goes for you too...
You are SO very welcome. I aim to please.
Wow... you know what? I guess it's ok that you lash out at random people on a public forum, as long as you get it out on here, so when you go back to your little grandkids, you're a nicer grandmommy
You need to REALLY lighten up. You decided to jump in and make a statement without getting all of what I said. If someone gets snarky with me, I don't have any problem giving it right back. Do you really want to continue this or do you want to grow up and stop acting as immaturely as you are? I stated an opinion, which by the way, was not in a negative vein. Someone decided to take one sentence of that said opinion and get testy about it. I responded. That's when you came in. I suggest you get ALL the facts before you jump down someone's throat.
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by FireIslandLove
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by FireIslandLove
Ok so by what is being said today, if I don't co-sleep with my children and they're in another room to sleep...does this mean the boogy man is raising my children too???
Sorry just had to lighten this post up a little.
I co-sleep so i am a better mommy then you
My dd doesnt have to see the boogie man hehe...
Laura you crack me up!
Oh yeah, well I plan to BF until they're 3...I'm a better mommy than you! (obviously kidding)
You got me beat bc I dont BF in public places.....WOOPS...another debate...LOL Kidding!
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You need to REALLY lighten up. You decided to jump in and make a statement without getting all of what I said. If someone gets snarky with me, I don't have any problem giving it right back. Do you really want to continue this or do you want to grow up and stop acting as immaturely as you are? I stated an opinion, which by the way, was not in a negative vein. Someone decided to take one sentence of that said opinion and get testy about it. I responded. That's when you came in. I suggest you get ALL the facts before you jump down someone's throat.
Don't backpeddle now Maathy - if you're going to be obnoxious and immature, then own up to it. What you said was rude, there's no getting around it. I was expressing how what you said bothered me, and gave my reasons, perhaps to enlighten some people here that there are, in fact, people who ENJOY working, and who would continue to do so even if they could afford to stay at home. You, however, took an immature turn in direct response, and that's how we got here. Don't throw your immaturity and total lack of sensitivity back to me.
And now, I'm done with this, and with you. Go take your "snarkiness" and obnoxious humor and direct it to someone else more deserving. I have more important things to do. Goodnight.
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avamamma
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First of all- you are entitled to your
opinion- and that is fine with me...
but- there are most certainly pre-school programs for 2 year olds. I live in West Islip and I know of 2 excellent ones- just off the top of my head. They are not day care...they are 2 hour classes, 2 days a week.
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You know what. I really don't even know what to say to any of this. 
Who cares what anyone does? It's pretty clear that none of the mom's on here are neglecting or abusing their children so just leave it alone. We all love our children and feel blessed to be parents.
So mom's want to stay home and they can, GREAT!
Some mom's dream of staying home and they can't, that makes me sad.
Some mom's can stay home but go to work anyway, I don't get it but who cares. Maybe if I actually liked my job I'd feel the same way because being a SAHM is no picnic.
We're all good moms who love our kids.
Let's just leave it alone and move onto to something else. Oh like breastfeeding a 5 year old. I have a You Tube video if you like.
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by monkeybride
You know what. I really don't even know what to say to any of this.
Who cares what anyone does? It's pretty clear that none of the mom's on here are neglecting or abusing their children so just leave it alone. We all love our children and feel blessed to be parents.
So mom's want to stay home and they can, GREAT!
Some mom's dream of staying home and they can't, that makes me sad.
Some mom's can stay home but go to work anyway, I don't get it but who cares. Maybe if I actually liked my job I'd feel the same way because being a SAHM is no picnic.
We're all good moms who love our kids.
Let's just leave it alone and move onto to something else.
I agree.
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Wow.. I think this thread is a hair away from being pulled..
Here's my 2 cents:
I think ALL MOMS , SAH, FT working, PT working, per diem working, work from home, work from their car, on call, off call, etc..ARE ALL FRIGGIN FABULOUS!
Cause the thing to remember here ladies is that we all have one job in common and that's being a mother. And frankly, its the best job around. 
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Posted by CheeChee
Wow.. I think this thread is a hair away from being pulled..
Here's my 2 cents:
I think ALL MOMS , SAH, FT working, PT working, per diem working, work from home, work from their car, on call, off call, etc..ARE ALL FRIGGIN FABULOUS!
Cause the thing to remember here ladies is that we all have one job in common and that's being a mother. And frankly, its the best job around.
Wow! I just checked this out.
I completely agree with CheeChee.
And ladies- I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We need to all SUPPORT one another, not attack one another or make assumptions that we all WANT to be a SAHM. We need to stop with the Breastfeeding v. formula/ working mom v. SAHM mom and all other attacks on each other. If we don't support each other and the choices we have, who will?
The whole world claims to love mothers, but they all criticize us. They want us to breastfeed, but not anywhere they can see us. They want us to work, but for us not to like it.
So when we turn on each other, we really are left with no one else to support us.
We are all different individuals. Some want to breastfeed, some don't. Some want to work, some don't. We need to support everyone's choices, so that we HAVE choices. We are 2 generations away from women who had no choices. Most of our grandmother's didn't work unless they absolutely had to. And if they did work, they were secretaries, nurses and teachers. Even my mom- those were her career choices. My friend's mom wanted to be a doctor. They made her sign a CONTRACT saying she wouldn't have children before allowing her to start medical school. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT???
Now women, and mothers, permiate almost every profession in the world. Women are CEO's, CFO's, doctors, lawyers, heads of state, teachers, nurses and secretaries. A woman can be anything she wants to be. And who helped her get there? WOMEN!! It wasn't a sea of men marching for equal rights, changing educational policies. It wasn't men who started suing for sexual harassment and using phrases like glass ceiling. Hell it wasn't even too many men taking cases for women claiming they deserved equality in the workplace. It was WOMEN!! And I bet a whole lot of them were MOTHERS!!!
To assume that every women wants to stay home, is just wrong- and IMO hurts women. How can we ALL want the same thing? Are we all the same? It just feeds into every chauvenist's idea that all women want to be SAHM and no woman will be a good working m.om, because she secretly wants to be a SAHM. Just like it is wrong to assume every woman wants to work.
I can't emphasize this enough. To elevate the status of women in this country, we need to SUPPORT one another. Support each other's choices, especially the ones we don't want for herself. That way, our daughters and daughters-in-law will have even more choices than we do!! How great would that be?
Maybe one day the idea of a mother as President won't be so odd (although we are getting close). Maybe moms will be 50% of the CEO's instead of 16.4%. Maybe mom's and women will make up 50% of Congress. But while we criticize others for making choices we didn't, or assume all women want to stay at home, we will never be equal. 
So basically what I am trying to say is we need to support one another and the choices we each make, even if they aren't the choices that we would make
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Shelly
Posted by CheeChee
Wow.. I think this thread is a hair away from being pulled..
Here's my 2 cents:
I think ALL MOMS , SAH, FT working, PT working, per diem working, work from home, work from their car, on call, off call, etc..ARE ALL FRIGGIN FABULOUS!
Cause the thing to remember here ladies is that we all have one job in common and that's being a mother. And frankly, its the best job around.
Wow! I just checked this out.
I completely agree with CheeChee.
And ladies- I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We need to all SUPPORT one another, not attack one another or make assumptions that we all WANT to be a SAHM. We need to stop with the Breastfeeding v. formula/ working mom v. SAHM mom and all other attacks on each other. If we don't support each other and the choices we have, who will?
The whole world claims to love mothers, but they all criticize us. They want us to breastfeed, but not anywhere they can see us. They want us to work, but for us not to like it.
So when we turn on each other, we really are left with no one else to support us.
We are all different individuals. Some want to breastfeed, some don't. Some want to work, some don't. We need to support everyone's choices, so that we HAVE choices. We are 2 generations away from women who had no choices. Most of our grandmother's didn't work unless they absolutely had to. And if they did work, they were secretaries, nurses and teachers. Even my mom- those were her career choices. My friend's mom wanted to be a doctor. They made her sign a CONTRACT saying she wouldn't have children before allowing her to start medical school. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT???
Now women, and mothers, permiate almost every profession in the world. Women are CEO's, CFO's, doctors, lawyers, heads of state, teachers, nurses and secretaries. A woman can be anything she wants to be. And who helped her get there? WOMEN!! It wasn't a sea of men marching for equal rights, changing educational policies. It wasn't men who started suing for sexual harassment and using phrases like glass ceiling. Hell it wasn't even too many men taking cases for women claiming they deserved equality in the workplace. It was WOMEN!! And I bet a whole lot of them were MOTHERS!!!
To assume that every women wants to stay home, is just wrong- and IMO hurts women. How can we ALL want the same thing? Are we all the same? It just feeds into every chauvenist's idea that all women want to be SAHM and no woman will be a good working m.om, because she secretly wants to be a SAHM. Just like it is wrong to assume every woman wants to work.
I can't emphasize this enough. To elevate the status of women in this country, we need to SUPPORT one another. Support each other's choices, especially the ones we don't want for herself. That way, our daughters and daughters-in-law will have even more choices than we do!! How great would that be?
Maybe one day the idea of a mother as President won't be so odd (although we are getting close). Maybe moms will be 50% of the CEO's instead of 16.4%. Maybe mom's and women will make up 50% of Congress. But while we criticize others for making choices we didn't, or assume all women want to stay at home, we will never be equal.
So basically what I am trying to say is we need to support one another and the choices we each make, even if they aren't the choices that we would make
That was beautiful.
Thank you for that wonderful morning inspiration
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Maathy317
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Re: Spinoff to SAHM-Sorry-Long
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Maathy317
You need to REALLY lighten up. You decided to jump in and make a statement without getting all of what I said. If someone gets snarky with me, I don't have any problem giving it right back. Do you really want to continue this or do you want to grow up and stop acting as immaturely as you are? I stated an opinion, which by the way, was not in a negative vein. Someone decided to take one sentence of that said opinion and get testy about it. I responded. That's when you came in. I suggest you get ALL the facts before you jump down someone's throat.
Don't backpeddle now Maathy - if you're going to be obnoxious and immature, then own up to it. What you said was rude, there's no getting around it. I was expressing how what you said bothered me, and gave my reasons, perhaps to enlighten some people here that there are, in fact, people who ENJOY working, and who would continue to do so even if they could afford to stay at home. You, however, took an immature turn in direct response, and that's how we got here. Don't throw your immaturity and total lack of sensitivity back to me.
And now, I'm done with this, and with you. Go take your "snarkiness" and obnoxious humor and direct it to someone else more deserving. I have more important things to do. Goodnight.
Wow, you really told me, didn't you? I may need to take to my bed, I am so wounded by your rapier-like tongue. I, usually, find that if one doesn't have anything intelligent to say to an argument, they resort to name-calling. While, I enjoy a good "battle of wits" I feel, in this case, that it would be grossly unfair considering my opponent. So, I lay down my sword, defeated. Yes, you WON. Yes, you are TRIUMPHANT. Yes, you can rest assured, you are MASTER OF YOUR DOMAIN.
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