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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
I know I have a year to deal with this (if Ian will understand at 2 years old), but how do you explain christmas and santa to a jewish child? i never got a christmas gift growing up and im fine with that, but will you give one so they dont feel left out?
DS is in daycare and my nephew is half catholic, so im just wondering if i should give him something small as maybe "to acknowledge other people's holidays"?
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Posted 12/22/10 8:36 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Do you follow both religion or just want to explain what Christmas is as in someone else religion?
We told everyone in our family that everyone does not believe the same thing. This is what "we" believe and this is what others believe.
In the beginning, it's good to keep it simple. It think of it more of a teaching of open mindness on what others might believe and tolerance.
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Posted 12/22/10 8:40 AM |
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by smdl
Do you follow both religion or just want to explain what Christmas is as in someone else religion?
We told everyone in our family that everyone does not believe the same thing. This is what "we" believe and this is what others believe.
In the beginning, it's good to keep it simple. It think of it more of a teaching of open mindness on what others might believe and tolerance.
In our house we are all Jewish. my sister's house is mixed. My parents house is Jewish. Both my ILs remarried Catholic, so they have Christmas in their house. My SMIL wanted to take Ian for pictures with Santa and i said no (maybe I overreacted).
But i know its hard to "like" being jewish during christmas as a kid, i just want to teach Ian to be proud to be jewish but respect other holidays as well.
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Posted 12/22/10 8:46 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
We were raised Jewish - but my dad was catholic. Our parents told us that mommy and daddy belive in different things and we belive with mommy. We went to dad's family on Christmas and we got presents from either aunt/uncle or santa. Our parents raised us to be gratious of gifts.
DS is almost 3 and he likes the christmas lights. He also wants to go see Santa b/c he gives you presents. I told him he got his presents for Hanukkah. We try to change the subject.
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Posted 12/22/10 8:48 AM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Im old school as my parents were. In our house we celebrate Chanukah. In "Johnny"'s house, they celebrate Christmas. We believe "X". They believe "Y". Y does not happen in our house but if you wish to celebrate with Johnny, by all means. I want my children knowing about other religions and cultures. They will be told that other children believe in Santa Claus but we do not and I sure as heck will NOT tolerate it if my child were to say that Santa isn't real to a child who DOES.
I am THAT Jew who is fundamentally opposed to having a Christmas tree in my home despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion. It symbolizes another religion to ME. I will not appease my children by caving and giving them Christmas things. I will also not give them things that are Jewish versions of Christmas things like a gingerbread Chanukah house. If we were an interfaith family, it would be a completely different story. But we aren't. The pageantry(sp?) of Christmas is VERY appealing. I myself enjoy the decorations and smells and even a few Christmas songs here and there and NYC at Christmas time is the best time to go.
For me it is cut and dry. We do this - they do that. Join them if you would like to, but its not what we beleive.
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Posted 12/22/10 9:02 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
I was wondering about that too, but growing up I never felt any different. maybe b/c I grew up in a mostly Jewish area. Some of my closest friends were Catholic and they invited me over to celebrate Xmas with them. Other than that my parents never gave me a gift ON Xmas unless Hanukkah came around that time.
I plan on doing the same with Mason. Gets his gifts on Hanukkah and we have several Catholic or Christian friends we can see or celebrate with. Either that or watch movies and order Chinese
I'll def decorate a lot more... cute dreidels, stars, etc. At daycares and schools they're pretty good about teaching kids both. I worked at the daycare Mason goes to. I have no problem with him coming home with Xmas artwork. He also comes home with a pic of a Jewish star or menorah as well. It's nice he's learning about everything and will also learn pple celebrate different things, but we can all celebrate and enjoy together
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Posted 12/22/10 9:02 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
growing up i always wondered why we didn't celebrate christmas.. my mom used to feel bad and get us gifts and some pj's only because in school kids would ask each other what they got for christmas etc..
if you do practice your faith, a comparison will work.. we were told christians celebrate christmas just as we celebrate X. And they made sure that my family celebrated X very well.. gifts, party.. the whole 9. We never took any pics with Santa.. and we didn't think anything of it either.. it is how you present the situation to the child.. the parent is in control..
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Posted 12/22/10 9:09 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Just explain it in simple terms. Different people believe different things. DS is learning about Hannukah, and he's OK with not getting 8 days of presents (he thinks it's like 8 days of Christmas, with tons and tons of presents.... )
We're often trying to expose DC to other beliefs, and explain to him some of the meanings, and who and why people believe different things.
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Posted 12/22/10 9:16 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
I am struggling with this now, and finding that I might be caving into the Christmas tree thing.....
My husband comes from a Christian background, and hasn't celebrated Christmas with a tree since he was about 8 years old, but here in Britain, well very few people see Christmas as a Christian holiday. My Muslim & Hindo neighbours all have lights and trees up. We do Christmas on the day, by this I mean we have a roast dinner together and exchange presents, but Noah is now asking why we don't have a tree...and again, I have up until now been really against it...but this year has been one of the happiest of my life, so I am kind of full of the Christmas spirit...
So I might get a very small tree in the sales for next Christmas, my mother (who I always thought would disapprove) has given me her blessing...so who knows! We make a big fuss over Chanukah, and Noah knows he is Jewish...but with that, do I give a nod to my husbands upbringing?
Its a difficult situation!
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Posted 12/22/10 9:35 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
My DD is two weeks old, so I'm not exactly the voice of experience, but my cousins' kids are all school age. I'd like to do what they did with their kids: I'll teach her that some children celebrate Christmas and others, like us, celebrate Chanukah, and then explain a little bit about the holiday.
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Posted 12/22/10 9:58 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by Goldi0218
Im old school as my parents were. In our house we celebrate Chanukah. In "Johnny"'s house, they celebrate Christmas. We believe "X". They believe "Y". Y does not happen in our house but if you wish to celebrate with Johnny, by all means. I want my children knowing about other religions and cultures. They will be told that other children believe in Santa Claus but we do not and I sure as heck will NOT tolerate it if my child were to say that Santa isn't real to a child who DOES.
I am THAT Jew who is fundamentally opposed to having a Christmas tree in my home despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion. It symbolizes another religion to ME. I will not appease my children by caving and giving them Christmas things. I will also not give them things that are Jewish versions of Christmas things like a gingerbread Chanukah house. If we were an interfaith family, it would be a completely different story. But we aren't. The pageantry(sp?) of Christmas is VERY appealing. I myself enjoy the decorations and smells and even a few Christmas songs here and there and NYC at Christmas time is the best time to go.
For me it is cut and dry. We do this - they do that. Join them if you would like to, but its not what we beleive.
That is how we are as well, but from the Catholic perspective! I think it is so important that my children learn about other people's faith and I will encourage them to share in that celebration. However, no matter how much my son cries that we don't have an ANORA (Menorah) in our house, we are not getting one. Although I am tickled that at 3 yrs old he even knows what one is!
Happy Holidays! Being a parent is hard!
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by Goldi0218
....despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion.
sorry to hijack
Not sure who is telling you that, but I think that may be incorrect. For years, I thought the same thing (the tree is secular) but I believe it actually has ties to Christianity.
Don't hold me to that, I could be wrong - need to look it up
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Posted 12/22/10 10:05 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
We're jewish and my kids are not getting presents on Christmas or would we ever have a christmas tree. I'm not opposed to my DD singing Christmas songs in school and yesterday she brought home a picture she made of a christmas tree. BUt we are teaching her that some people celebrate hanukkah, some celebrate christmas. WHen i was younger I would go to one of my best friend's houses for christmas every year and celebrate with her family and I loved it, but would never do so in my own home.
I do wish that the schools would do more around hanukkah though. Doesn't really seem fair that they did Christmas trees but no menorah, but I guess most of the world doesnt' celebrate hanukkah so it's not thought of as much.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
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Posted by Goldi0218
Im old school as my parents were. In our house we celebrate Chanukah. In "Johnny"'s house, they celebrate Christmas. We believe "X". They believe "Y". Y does not happen in our house but if you wish to celebrate with Johnny, by all means. I want my children knowing about other religions and cultures. They will be told that other children believe in Santa Claus but we do not and I sure as heck will NOT tolerate it if my child were to say that Santa isn't real to a child who DOES.
I am THAT Jew who is fundamentally opposed to having a Christmas tree in my home despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion. It symbolizes another religion to ME. I will not appease my children by caving and giving them Christmas things. I will also not give them things that are Jewish versions of Christmas things like a gingerbread Chanukah house. If we were an interfaith family, it would be a completely different story. But we aren't. The pageantry(sp?) of Christmas is VERY appealing. I myself enjoy the decorations and smells and even a few Christmas songs here and there and NYC at Christmas time is the best time to go.
For me it is cut and dry. We do this - they do that. Join them if you would like to, but its not what we beleive.
That is how we are as well, but from the Catholic perspective! I think it is so important that my children learn about other people's faith and I will encourage them to share in that celebration. However, no matter how much my son cries that we don't have an ANORA (Menorah) in our house, we are not getting one. Although I am tickled that at 3 yrs old he even knows what one is!
Happy Holidays! Being a parent is hard!
It's also one of the reasons we want to send our kids to public school, so they learn that not everyone celebrates the same way or the same thing. I went to Catholic School and I didn't know anything else existed until I was much older. And it was hard for me in the beginning.
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Posted 12/22/10 10:06 AM |
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by BigB
Although I am tickled that at 3 yrs old he even knows what one is!
thats a good thing that he's learning other customs.
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Posted 12/22/10 10:09 AM |
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
We are Catholic and celebrate Christmas. DS who is 3, is aware of Hanukkah and the Menorah. Everytime we pass a Menorah - he yells "Mommy, Hannukah!!"
I, along with his school, have explained the different holidays. I have talked to him about Hanukkah and how different people believe different things and no one is wrong or right, just different. At least, as best as a 3 year old can understand.
As much as he loves menorahs, there wont be one in my house. I think each religions holiday and its traditions are sacred to them and should be respected and not just done for show or without the meaning attached to it. I understand Christmas has become secular, but as a Catholic it bothers me and I would teach my son to respect everyones religion and you can celebrate with them if you are invited to their home, but in ours, we believe X and will not celebrate Y bc I dont think its proper, IMO, to make light of someone else's religious holiday. Just my opinion for MY household.
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Posted 12/22/10 10:15 AM |
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
thanks for all the responses! i guess if no one in the extended family celebrated christmas it would be easier for me. but i guess i think its disrespectful to me when my SMIL wants to get pictures with santa or my MIL (who's jewish) wanted to get DS an easter basket! i mean...my kid is Jewish! deal with it!
even my DH thinks we should get him a christmas gift since his cousin will be getting one. and saturday we're going to my ILs for christmas and i just know theyre going to get him a christmas gift. i dont want to be mean, but i just dont feel like he should get one because he does not celebrate christmas. oy vey!
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Posted 12/22/10 10:16 AM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
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Posted by BigB
Posted by Goldi0218
Im old school as my parents were. In our house we celebrate Chanukah. In "Johnny"'s house, they celebrate Christmas. We believe "X". They believe "Y". Y does not happen in our house but if you wish to celebrate with Johnny, by all means. I want my children knowing about other religions and cultures. They will be told that other children believe in Santa Claus but we do not and I sure as heck will NOT tolerate it if my child were to say that Santa isn't real to a child who DOES.
I am THAT Jew who is fundamentally opposed to having a Christmas tree in my home despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion. It symbolizes another religion to ME. I will not appease my children by caving and giving them Christmas things. I will also not give them things that are Jewish versions of Christmas things like a gingerbread Chanukah house. If we were an interfaith family, it would be a completely different story. But we aren't. The pageantry(sp?) of Christmas is VERY appealing. I myself enjoy the decorations and smells and even a few Christmas songs here and there and NYC at Christmas time is the best time to go.
For me it is cut and dry. We do this - they do that. Join them if you would like to, but its not what we beleive.
That is how we are as well, but from the Catholic perspective! I think it is so important that my children learn about other people's faith and I will encourage them to share in that celebration. However, no matter how much my son cries that we don't have an ANORA (Menorah) in our house, we are not getting one. Although I am tickled that at 3 yrs old he even knows what one is!
Happy Holidays! Being a parent is hard!
It's also one of the reasons we want to send our kids to public school, so they learn that not everyone celebrates the same way or the same thing. I went to Catholic School and I didn't know anything else existed until I was much older. And it was hard for me in the beginning.
I had both Jewish and Catholic friends. Most of us had some form of religious instruction outside of public school. Most of my friends who attended my Bat Mitzvah were NOT Jewish. We shared what we did. Kinda cool.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by QTDimps23 even my DH thinks we should get him a christmas gift since his cousin will be getting one. and saturday we're going to my ILs for christmas and i just know theyre going to get him a christmas gift. i dont want to be mean, but i just dont feel like he should get one because he does not celebrate christmas. oy vey!
I don't think you should buy him a xmas gift but if this were my situation I would think it was okay to receive a gift. I would tell ds that part of celebrating xmas is gift giving and by receiving a gift from your IL's he is helping them celebrate their holiday. Maybe next year you and ds can even pick out a hannukah gift for them. Idk if that blurs the lines too much but I think that's what I would do.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
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Posted by QTDimps23 even my DH thinks we should get him a christmas gift since his cousin will be getting one. and saturday we're going to my ILs for christmas and i just know theyre going to get him a christmas gift. i dont want to be mean, but i just dont feel like he should get one because he does not celebrate christmas. oy vey!
I don't think you should buy him a xmas gift but if this were my situation I would think it was okay to receive a gift. I would tell ds that part of celebrating xmas is gift giving and by receiving a gift from your IL's he is helping them celebrate their holiday. Maybe next year you and ds can even pick out a hannukah gift for them. Idk if that blurs the lines too much but I think that's what I would do.
I think this is a great way to handle it!
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by BrinaEsq
Posted by QTDimps23 even my DH thinks we should get him a christmas gift since his cousin will be getting one. and saturday we're going to my ILs for christmas and i just know theyre going to get him a christmas gift. i dont want to be mean, but i just dont feel like he should get one because he does not celebrate christmas. oy vey!
I don't think you should buy him a xmas gift but if this were my situation I would think it was okay to receive a gift. I would tell ds that part of celebrating xmas is gift giving and by receiving a gift from your IL's he is helping them celebrate their holiday. Maybe next year you and ds can even pick out a hannukah gift for them. Idk if that blurs the lines too much but I think that's what I would do.
oh i like that! like you respect me i respect you. nice!
oh the politics even with religion.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
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Posted by Goldi0218
....despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion.
sorry to hijack
Not sure who is telling you that, but I think that may be incorrect. For years, I thought the same thing (the tree is secular) but I believe it actually has ties to Christianity.
Don't hold me to that, I could be wrong - need to look it up
Hmm... according to some, the Bible actually forbids the use of an ornamented "Christmas Tree"....
Christianity Christmas tree in front of Notre Dame in Paris, France. In Kharkov
Jeremiah 10:1-5 in the Bible says the following (King James Version):
[1] Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: [2] Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. [3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. [4] They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. [5] They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
This is interpreted by some fundamentalist Christians as referring to a Christmas tree, and that therefore the Bible would explicitly forbid the practice. However, the more common interpretation is that the passage refers to idol worship, and it is the practice of making an object out of wood, silver, and gold, and then worshiping that idol.[49] Others feel that since "Christmas Trees" are not biblically ordained, they should not be used. Such individuals and Christian denominations, such as the United Church of God, are unlikely to celebrate Christmas at all, for the same reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
The modern Christmas tree tradition dates back to Western Germany in the 16th century. They were called "Paradeisbaum" (paradise trees) and were brought into homes to celebrate the annual Feast of Adam and Eve on DEC-24. They were first brought to America by German immigrants about 1700. Christmas trees became popular among the general U.S. population about 1850.
Origins of the Christmas Tree: Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. Modern-day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23; most often, it is DEC-21. As the solstice approached, they noticed that the days were gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun would eventually disappear forever, and everyone would freeze. But, even though deciduous trees, bushes, and crops died or hibernated for the winter, the evergreen trees remained green. They seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the rigors of winter.
Not having evergreen trees, the ancient Egyptians considered the palm tree to symbolize resurrection. They decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice.
"The first decorating of an evergreen tree began with the heathen Greeks and their worship of their god Adonia, who allegedly was brought back to life by the serpent Aessulapius after having been slain."
The ancient Pagan Romans decorated their "trees with bits of metal and replicas of their god, Bacchus [a fertility god]. They also placed 12 candles on the tree in honor of their sun god" Their mid-winter festival of Saturnalia started on DEC-17 and often lasted until a few days after the Solstice.
In Northern Europe, the ancient Germanic people tied fruit and attached candles to evergreen tree branches, in honor of their god Woden. Trees were viewed as symbolizing eternal life. This is the deity after which Wednesday was named. The trees joined holly, mistletoe, the wassail bowl and the Yule log as symbols of the season. All predated Christianity.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by Goldi0218
Im old school as my parents were. In our house we celebrate Chanukah. In "Johnny"'s house, they celebrate Christmas. We believe "X". They believe "Y". Y does not happen in our house but if you wish to celebrate with Johnny, by all means. I want my children knowing about other religions and cultures. They will be told that other children believe in Santa Claus but we do not and I sure as heck will NOT tolerate it if my child were to say that Santa isn't real to a child who DOES.
I am THAT Jew who is fundamentally opposed to having a Christmas tree in my home despite the fact that I am told a tree isnot a symbol of religion. It symbolizes another religion to ME. I will not appease my children by caving and giving them Christmas things. I will also not give them things that are Jewish versions of Christmas things like a gingerbread Chanukah house. If we were an interfaith family, it would be a completely different story. But we aren't. The pageantry(sp?) of Christmas is VERY appealing. I myself enjoy the decorations and smells and even a few Christmas songs here and there and NYC at Christmas time is the best time to go.
For me it is cut and dry. We do this - they do that. Join them if you would like to, but its not what we beleive.
Word for word...my grandfather was a religious Jew and this is how my parents taught me and this is how I plan on teaching our kids
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
I am not Jewish, but I think I would give a gift just so DC doesn't feel left out. my inlaws always celebrated christmas (they are not catholic they are Buddist) bc to them, it was an American tradition. true or not, my DH has the best memories of the holiday and that's what is most important
I went to catholic school my whole life and lived in an italian/irish catholic nabe just to give you an idea of where I am coming from.
I just don't like to see kids left out of anything.
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Re: Teaching your Jewish kids about Christmas?
Posted by BrinaEsq
Posted by QTDimps23 even my DH thinks we should get him a christmas gift since his cousin will be getting one. and saturday we're going to my ILs for christmas and i just know theyre going to get him a christmas gift. i dont want to be mean, but i just dont feel like he should get one because he does not celebrate christmas. oy vey!
I don't think you should buy him a xmas gift but if this were my situation I would think it was okay to receive a gift. I would tell ds that part of celebrating xmas is gift giving and by receiving a gift from your IL's he is helping them celebrate their holiday. Maybe next year you and ds can even pick out a hannukah gift for them. Idk if that blurs the lines too much but I think that's what I would do.
ITA I think it shows respect for your in-laws. You are going there to help them celebrate Christmas, I think it would be rude of them not to get a gift for your child.
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