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DancinBarefoot
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The Nursing Home "Scandal"
I've seen in any number of threads remarks about sending our most vulnerable to die in nursing homes.
Here is a different perspective.
Federal law (and NY State Law) requires a nursing home to accept a return of a resident from a hospital, if the hospital deems the patient medically ready for discharge. This point seems to have been completely lost due to the wording of Cuomo's executive order early on in the pandemic.
Coupled with that is the fact that for many elderly people a nursing home is just that - their home.
I know for myself, when I am sick, I want to be in my bed, in my home, surrounded by my things. The same is true I think of everyone. If you're in the hospital, do you want to be there one moment longer than is absolutely necessary?? How would you feel if the doctor said you could go home, but your roommate said they didn't want you to come back because they didn't believe the doctor and thought you were still sick?
Added to that is the very real phenomena that elderly people get hospital induced dementia wherein they become forgetful, and out of sorts if they have a prolonged absence from the "normal" surroundings.
The entire situation is tragic, heartbreaking, and I completely think this could have been handled in a much better way - but I also think that there is much more to the situation that is just not being looked at, or talked about or discussed.
****This is not a post about reports to the federal government about numbers, and whether or not anyone was honest. That is a completely separate issue.****
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Good points, lots to think about. Thanks.
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NervousNell
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Yeah they wanted to be in their own bed, sure, great. But this was a pandemic. As we have been told 100s of times you can't do what you want in a pandemic .
You can't bring Covid positives patients into a nursing home where the most vulnerable are residing regardless of what the patient wants .
It ran rampant in there because of this.
You know what other patients wanted? To be protected from Covid running rampant through their home.
Imagine that your loved one was healthy and died because of this descion.
There were other options to keep the healthy patients safe.
They were failed, miserably.
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KarenK122
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The Nursing Home
Everything you said is correct, but this was not normal times where normal procedures needed to be followed. The whole State was on quarantine orders and were not allowed to be within 6 feet of another and without masks. We were advised not to socialize or be with anyone but our immediate families. Those in nursing homes and group homes are sharing their spaces. It is not possible for some of them to social distance from everyone in their housing unit.
The hospitals were set up with PPEs and had separate Covid floors to keep everyone safe. Group homes and nursing homes did not have the same.
I think that Cuomo was following what was "legal" at the time and that is what he is hiding behind right now but there is also a moral obligation that was ignored. There were other options that could have been done and were not.
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Sash
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Umm no.. there was no different perspective with Covid. We can’t cherry pick science and laws to fit the narrative.
I agree with the above two posters!
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I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by Sash
Umm no.. there was no different perspective with Covid. We can’t cherry pick science and laws to fit the narrative.
I agree with the above two posters!
Agree with all the posters as well.
Suddenly the ‘but we’re in a pandemic and we must look at things differently’ doesn’t apply?
The man had a navy ship and the javits center sitting empty. He was too proud to take help from the orange man bc it would hurt his ego. He played politics. If he didn’t preach on a daily basis about how this can’t be made political it wouldn’t be as bad. It would be bad, but he never practices what he preaches.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Sash
Umm no.. there was no different perspective with Covid. We can’t cherry pick science and laws to fit the narrative.
I agree with the above two posters!
Agree with all the posters as well.
Suddenly the ‘but we’re in a pandemic and we must look at things differently’ doesn’t apply?
The man had a navy ship and the javits center sitting empty. He was too proud to take help from the orange man bc it would hurt his ego. He played politics. If he didn’t preach on a daily basis about how this can’t be made political it wouldn’t be as bad. It would be bad, but he never practices what he preaches.
He also had the Westchester County Center which never accepted any patients.
In the beginning, when he signed the order to return the Covid positive patients to the nursing homes and was questions - it seemed he didn't even realize what was signed.
Although the decision was wrong - the bigger part of the "scandal" now is that the number of deaths were higher than reported, he knew it, and he purposely covered them up.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by ali120206
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Posted by Sash
Umm no.. there was no different perspective with Covid. We can’t cherry pick science and laws to fit the narrative.
I agree with the above two posters!
Agree with all the posters as well.
Suddenly the ‘but we’re in a pandemic and we must look at things differently’ doesn’t apply?
The man had a navy ship and the javits center sitting empty. He was too proud to take help from the orange man bc it would hurt his ego. He played politics. If he didn’t preach on a daily basis about how this can’t be made political it wouldn’t be as bad. It would be bad, but he never practices what he preaches.
He also had the Westchester County Center which never accepted any patients.
In the beginning, when he signed the order to return the Covid positive patients to the nursing homes and was questions - it seemed he didn't even realize what was signed.
Although the decision was wrong - the bigger part of the "scandal" now is that the number of deaths were higher than reported, he knew it, and he purposely covered them up.
Yes, why cover it up? Obviously he knew what he was doing. He’s a slime ball literally trying to get away with murder.
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Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
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CookiePuss
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Cuomo's office has admitted to falsifying reports and altering reports. There is never an OK reason for falsifying information. It was a cover up and he got caught...he nor his office came clean. Their office only came out with it when reports couldn't hide it any longer.
Nixon resigned over less with Watergate.
Sexual harassment is never crap. Women have tried for too long to be heard that Cuomo doesn't get to dismiss their claims just because he didn't think he did anything wrong. Let the independent investigators decide that.
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NervousNell
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
Um it would have compromised his image as a competent leader because he is clearly NOT a competent leader. So yes, the TRUTH would have come out.
That's like saying- I don't want anyone to know I killed someone because they will make a big deal out of it and call me a murderer.
And I'm no Trump fan, but blaming this cover up on Trump is ridiculous.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
Um it would have compromised his image as a competent leader because he is clearly NOT a competent leader. So yes, the TRUTH would have come out.
That's like saying- I don't want anyone to know I killed someone because they will make a big deal out of it and call me a murderer.
And I'm no Trump fan, but blaming this cover up on Trump is ridiculous.
Omg I can’t.. Cuomo sexually harassing women is ok because Trump was worse and now this scandal is also Trumps fault. 
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MC09
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by MC09
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
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The Nursing Home
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Sex harassment crap???
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NervousNell
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by Sash
Posted by MC09
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
I'm actually flabbergasted. Mind boggling.
Jim Jones ain't got nothing on Cuomo is seems.
And this... "The fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year."
OMG what country are we living in? Lying and covering up gross negligence that led to thousands of deaths to keep CONTROL over your subjects?
Wow, that is scary thinking......
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
Yes, you're 100% right. There were a lot of logistical issues. If he would've been upfront and transparent about it it would've been a non-issue. It's the lying about it and trying to hide it that did him in.
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MC09
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by Sash
Posted by MC09
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
This is no different than the people that have blinders on with Trump and refuse to see what's evident right in front of their face. It's mind-boggling to me how anyone can put any politician, or any other human as a matter of fact, on a pedestal and act like they can do no wrong. American politics is a bizarre and dangerous game.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Sash
Posted by MC09
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
I'm actually flabbergasted. Mind boggling.
Jim Jones ain't got nothing on Cuomo is seems.
And this... "The fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year."
OMG what country are we living in? Lying and covering up gross negligence that led to thousands of deaths to keep CONTROL over your subjects?
Wow, that is scary thinking......
Horrifying.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by MC09
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
Yes, you're 100% right. There were a lot of logistical issues. If he would've been upfront and transparent about it it would've been a non-issue. It's the lying about it and trying to hide it that did him in.
Also, if he had been upfront about it - these logistics may have been able to be worked out to avoid the deaths that did occur from sending the patients back to the nursing homes.
Why not use the facilities that were erected to help with the placement problems? Why not move patients upstate to facilities that had room? There were field hospitals, there was the Javits center...staffed and empty.
The hospitals and the workers are not at fault. But if you if you cover up a leak...it doesn't make it better...it just lets if fester and rots your floor.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by MC09
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
Yes, you're 100% right. There were a lot of logistical issues. If he would've been upfront and transparent about it it would've been a non-issue. It's the lying about it and trying to hide it that did him in.
Also, if he had been upfront about it - these logistics may have been able to be worked out to avoid the deaths that did occur from sending the patients back to the nursing homes.
Why not use the facilities that were erected to help with the placement problems? Why not move patients upstate to facilities that had room? There were field hospitals, there was the Javits center...staffed and empty.
The hospitals and the workers are not at fault. But if you if you cover up a leak...it doesn't make it better...it just lets if fester and rots your floor.
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by MC09
Posted by Sash
Posted by MC09
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
This is no different than the people that have blinders on with Trump and refuse to see what's evident right in front of their face. It's mind-boggling to me how anyone can put any politician, or any other human as a matter of fact, on a pedestal and act like they can do no wrong. American politics is a bizarre and dangerous game.
Yes I 100% agree. We are just always talking about Trump on here which deflects from what we really should be talking about. So I try not bring him up if it’s not needed, especially since I had to deal with his nonsense for 4 years too long.
I don’t align with political parties or worship people, no one person should have that much power. I align myself with good & ethical people.
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| Posted 3/18/21 3:30 PM |
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MC09
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
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Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Cuomo “covered it up” because Trump would have made an issue of it in the media which would have seriously compromised Cuomo’s image as a competent leader in handling the pandemic. I understand why he did it, he didnt have a choice. I knew this was an issue last year and now I dont know why,,I personally think it’s ridiculous that Dems are hitting Cuomo hard on this and the sex harassment crap. I personally hope he doesnt resign. I think what he did was the best he could do given the circumstances- and the fact that he covered nursing home data was a necessary political move to maintain a unified message on control measures he needed to enforce last year.
This whole post is a head scratcher. You can't be serious. Trump is a major assshole in his own right and has a whole trash heap of his own problems, but none of Trump's pathetically disgusting actions and inactions should excuse Cuomo from falsifying information and sexual harassment allegations. What does one have to do with the other? Apples and oranges. They're both power hungry assholes.
Seriously, people really hit that Cuomo Kool-aid hard.
This is no different than the people that have blinders on with Trump and refuse to see what's evident right in front of their face. It's mind-boggling to me how anyone can put any politician, or any other human as a matter of fact, on a pedestal and act like they can do no wrong. American politics is a bizarre and dangerous game.
Yes I 100% agree. We are just always talking about Trump on here which deflects from what we really should be talking about. So I try not bring him up if it’s not needed, especially since I had to deal with his nonsense for 4 years too long.
I don’t align with political parties or worship people, no one person should have that much power. I align myself with good & ethical people.
I'll never understand the mindset of being a politician's cheerleader when they're clearly doing wrong and being immoral and unethical. The kool-aid really must be strong.
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| Posted 3/18/21 3:45 PM |
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