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KartveliT
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very interesting article about autism and vaccines
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/02/mccarthy.autsimtreatment/index.html
Many people aren't aware that in the 1980s our children received only 10 vaccines by age 5, whereas today they are given 36 immunizations, most of them by age 2. With billions of pharmaceutical dollars, could it be possible that the vaccine program is becoming more of a profit engine then a means of prevention?
We believe autism is an environmental illness. Vaccines are not the only environmental trigger, but we do think they play a major role. If we are going to solve this problem and finally start to reverse the rate of autism, we need to consider changing the vaccine schedule, reducing the number of shots given and removing certain ingredients that could be toxic to some children.
We take into account that some children have reactions to medicines like penicillin, for example, yet when it comes to vaccines we are operating as if our kids have a universal tolerance for them. We are acting like ONE SIZE FITS ALL. That is, at the very least, a huge improbability.
Even if the CDC is not convinced of a link between vaccines and autism, changing the vaccine schedule should be seriously considered as a precautionary measure. (If you would like to see some ideas for alternative schedules, check out http://generationrescue.org.)
We wish to state, very clearly, that we are not against all vaccines, but we do believe there is strong evidence to suggest that some of the ingredients may be hazardous and that our children are being given too many, too soon!
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beachgirl
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
 I agree- too much too soon.
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| Posted 4/2/08 2:26 PM |
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cjik
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Interesting. I did post about vaccines not long ago--I looked in my baby book and found I was vaccinated for the following:
Small pox
Polio
MMR
DTap
There was one other that is not done today, I can't remember what it was called, but that's it. Still, I'm not ready to give up on vaccines. Small pox isn't necessary anymore because the number of outbreaks of the illness is almost non-existent. And very few people wind up with polio or measles anymore, all pretty bad illnesses.
Still, some vaccines I'm not so sure we need right away. I started Hep B, and I wonder if I should have before daycare, he has no risk of contracting this right now. And I will not vaccinate my son against HPV as was recently suggested for the future.
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| Posted 4/2/08 2:30 PM |
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JennChris
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by cjik
Interesting. I did post about vaccines not long ago--I looked in my baby book and found I was vaccinated for the following:
Small pox
Polio
MMR
DTap
There was one other that is not done today, I can't remember what it was called, but that's it. Still, I'm not ready to give up on vaccines. Small pox isn't necessary anymore because the number of outbreaks of the illness is almost non-existent. And very few people wind up with polio or measles anymore, all pretty bad illnesses.
thats exactly the reason that there aren't outbreaks.. because we are all vaccinated.. and back in the day there weren't as many illnesses as there are now. It's a different world from when we were kids
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| Posted 4/2/08 2:34 PM |
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bella
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
I am happy to see questions being asked and raised regarding the vaccine schedule. There are jsut too many stories of people seeing changes in their child after vaccines, and that's not jsut autism but vaccines can cause many, many different and horrible reactions. It needs to be explored thorogouhly.
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pinkandblue
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by JennChris
thats exactly the reason that there aren't outbreaks.. because we are all vaccinated..
exactly
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partyof6
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
it says its not one size fits all....it doesn't say not to vaccinate.
it says the schedule should be looked at
unless I am reading it wrong
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| Posted 4/2/08 5:09 PM |
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hbugal
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by lastchance1222
it says its not one size fits all....it doesn't say not to vaccinate.
it says the schedule should be looked at
unless I am reading it wrong
No you are right...
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imagin916
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by cjik
Interesting. I did post about vaccines not long ago--I looked in my baby book and found I was vaccinated for the following:
Small pox
Polio
MMR
DTap
There was one other that is not done today, I can't remember what it was called, but that's it. Still, I'm not ready to give up on vaccines. Small pox isn't necessary anymore because the number of outbreaks of the illness is almost non-existent. And very few people wind up with polio or measles anymore, all pretty bad illnesses.
Still, some vaccines I'm not so sure we need right away. I started Hep B, and I wonder if I should have before daycare, he has no risk of contracting this right now. And I will not vaccinate my son against HPV as was recently suggested for the future.
These diseases are not eradicated. The highest risk is babies who were not vaccinated, that is when these diseases can become fatal. Waiting too long for some of them it just missing the boat for when they will be most important.
Pertussis is back with vengance, there have been many confirmed cases in the past year.
measles outbreak 2008
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Diane
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
thank you for the post
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CrankyPants
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
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Posted by JennChris
thats exactly the reason that there aren't outbreaks.. because we are all vaccinated..
exactly
Exactly! if we stop vaccinating, these diseases will resurface.
In any case, every parents needs to decide for themselves what is right for their children. Me, I want to protect my kid from these diseases and I there is proof that by vaccinating her, the risk of her dying from one of these diseases is significantly decreased. There is no proof that by not vaccinating the risk for Autism goes down. If there was proof, I might not do it.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Many people aren't aware that in the 1980s our children received only 10 vaccines by age 5, whereas today they are given 36 immunizations, most of them by age 2.
This is the exact reason I am delaying some of DS's vaccines and he only gets 1 shot a month. Our children are being OVERLOADED with vaccines big time.
The other reason is I truely believe that vaccines are not "one size fits all".
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
thats exactly the reason that there aren't outbreaks.. because we are all vaccinated..
Yes, but as the article says (and I know b/c I checked my immunization record), in the 80's we werent given all these shots and there were very seldom any outbreaks of the measles, mumps, etc. So, if we only got 10 vaccines and had no outbreaks than, why do we need to give our children 30 vaccines today?  Yes, the world changes, there are a lot more people alot more diseases to worry about, but as we have increased our vaccinations the developmental problems in our children has also increased. Do I think the MMR vaccine is the definete reason why the autism rate is so high, NO, but I do think it is a contributing factor.
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Pertussis is back with vengance, there have been many confirmed cases in the past year.
I am sure I will get flamed for saying this...but not for nothing, I would rather my son have the whooping cough and have to be on antibiotics for a few weeks than have my son have developmental problems for the rest of his life b/c I overloaded him with vaccines in the first place. I think this is why alot of people are delaying vaccines these days. Besides the fact, alot of these diseases are making a come back b/c we keep allowing illegal immigrants into our country and they are not being immunized.
ETA: My son is receiving all of this vaccines, however, on a different schedule.
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MsG
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
The article was written by Jenny McCarthy, just thought that was worth mentioning. I'm on the fence about an alternate schedule myself, but still, she's not a scientist.
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by jellybean1420
Pertussis is back with vengance, there have been many confirmed cases in the past year.
I am sure I will get flamed for saying this...but not for nothing, I would rather my son have the whooping cough and have to be on antibiotics for a few weeks than have my son have developmental problems for the rest of his life b/c I overloaded him with vaccines in the first place. I think this is why alot of people are delaying vaccines these days. Besides the fact, alot of these diseases are making a come back b/c we keep allowing illegal immigrants into our country and they are not being immunized.
ETA: My son is receiving all of this vaccines, however, on a different schedule.
I could not agree with all of the above any more. In most cases, pertussis after six months ,there are virtually no cases of a child dying....(I am citing Dr. Sears here so could be off) Yes, I know they can get very ,very sick.
I am not anti vaccine but don't think my child needs all these shots before one year. Yes, the world is different than it was 20 years ago but they just keep adding and adding these shots and for some the risk of the vaccine (not just autism, but vaccine injuries) is much more prevalent than the disease.....it is very difficult to go against the grain sometimes and question the medical establishment, I never thought I would be the type of person to, but now if my pediatrician can't support my logic in delaying shots, I will find one that does. Again, I am willing to risk the chances of whopping cough, diptheria, etc. over an extra few months than risk vaccine injury or possibly lifelong developmental issues.....
I highly recommend Dr. Sears book and website to anyone interested in really learning about whats in the vaccines and jsut how prevalent the diseases really are and how a few months delay, in most cases, not in all, delaying will cause no harm......at the end of the day, no one should be able to tell you how to vaccinate your child, you need and should be able to make that decision for yourself.
Now I may get flamed but I think its important for people first learning more about this to be informed because I wasn't until the very end of my pregnancy and am grateful that a friend got me involved in learning more. Everyone is entitled to their opnion and I don't think anyone is more right than anyone else, but choice should be something each individual parents should have.
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partyof6
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
we just got a letter home that 2 school in my area have a child in each with whopping cough-the letter stated the vaccination does not prevent you from getting it--you can still get it.
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imagin916
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
Posted by jellybean1420
Pertussis is back with vengance, there have been many confirmed cases in the past year.
I am sure I will get flamed for saying this...but not for nothing, I would rather my son have the whooping cough and have to be on antibiotics for a few weeks than have my son have developmental problems for the rest of his life b/c I overloaded him with vaccines in the first place. I think this is why alot of people are delaying vaccines these days. Besides the fact, alot of these diseases are making a come back b/c we keep allowing illegal immigrants into our country and they are not being immunized.
ETA: My son is receiving all of this vaccines, however, on a different schedule.
In small babies whooping cough can be fatal. There are children who are over 6 months who get very sick or even die from it. I have taken care of babies here in the past year with whooping cough, and its not just a matter of "taking antibiotics for a few weeks" in babies that small. There have been babies who die, but thank god that number is small. You have the right to do what you want as a parent, but IMO, that is a risky vaccine to skip or to delay. Adults lose thier immunity to whooping cough, and they are the ones that usualy spread it to the kids. They do not know they have it, because typically adults do not have the classic "whoop" sound. Today we got an email from our department from the DOH about the measles outbreak in NYS, if anyone is interested I will foward it to you.
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Stacey1403
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
One thing we need to remember is that years ago we didn't know what we now know about things like autism and spectrum disorders. We didn't have early intervention. So most kids who most likely had those things were labeled as mentally challenged. I do however agree that children do get too many vaccinations at one time, even if only because it hurts to be stuck three or four times with a needle I think waiting for certain vaccinations or creating your own schedule on your own terms is a good idea, but if children are in day care you need to take things like that into consideration too.
I have worked in day care for over 20 years and every spring we would have a massive chicken pox outbreak. Since the vaccination we haven't had any except for one time when an infant traveled on an airplane and brought it back to the baby room (the babies had not had the vaccination yet) So we had a room full of infants under the age of 12 months with the chicken pox.
I would say an educated Mommy is the best kind, do what is right for you and your DC
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| Posted 4/3/08 7:45 PM |
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jgm26
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Re: very interesting article about autism and vaccines
True Jenny McCarthy is not a scientist- she is a mother who is sharing her first hand experience with autism. I'd take that over a scientist anyday. Don't you know your child better than anyone else?
I also have to point out that vaccines don't last forever. Also, a lot of people don't get the booster shots they are supposed to. I worked in college admissions and one of my jobs was to get the records of MMR from all incoming students. I'd say about 1/2 were not properly immunized for these diseases. So its not 100% accurate to say that people who skip vaccinations are the reason diseases come back. There are lots of reasons for that.
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