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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Let's be honest here. Even if we don't let refugees in this country, if terrorist want to find a way to attack us, they will. After what happened in Paris I was sitting with my husband in our living room. We live in midtown and can clearly see the Chrysler Building and Empire State from our window. I said to my husband "How long before that happens here?" And you know what? It probably will, but what are we supposed to do? Stay inside and never leave our homes? Slam our borders shut to the weakest of humanity? That's what these a$$holes want us to do. They want us to be afraid and to fear each other. I refuse to give these twats the privilege of my mind space.
 
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by MandJZ
I'm sorry I haven't read the entire thread, but I did read much of it.
I just wonder - if we are so concerned with protecting our own and our children, why haven't the gun laws changed following the ridiculously terrifying amount of mass shootings in the last decade (or last 5 years?) Why are the people responsible for THOSE attacks not considered terrorists? The refugees fleeing Syria are trying to get away from the terrorists, too. They are also people with children they want to protect, and I'm not really sure how any Western nation can tout itself as a scion of hope and good fortune and then turn away those truly in need.
And I'm the granddaughter of Jewish Holocaust refugees. I don't find the comparison insulting at all.
YES! Our HS was just locked down for several hours due to a teenager trying to enter with a gun (I am in NC). Our gun laws and unwillingness to make them more stringent are terrifying to me.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by MandJZ
I just wonder - if we are so concerned with protecting our own and our children, why haven't the gun laws changed following the ridiculously terrifying amount of mass shootings in the last decade (or last 5 years?) Why are the people responsible for THOSE attacks not considered terrorists?
YES! Our HS was just locked down for several hours due to a teenager trying to enter with a gun (I am in NC). Our gun laws and unwillingness to make them more stringent is terrifying to me.
One answer: NRA and its powerful lobby.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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God forbid that something horrible happened and we had to leave our country. But no one would help us because of the large amounts of mass shooters we have. We would pose a danger to their country. Then I guess we would be waiting to die. Just like the Syrian people are kind of doing.
That is a good point. I admit I am fearful of the possibility of someone getting in. But there are many elderly, women and kids who likely do not pose a threat.
But the hypocrisy around this is mind boggling to me. Now all of a sudden people are yelling that we need to help homeless veterans and homeless kids. These are two groups which have been homeless since way before Friday and I never saw a peep in my Facebook feed about it, but now that we might let in Syrians, people give a shit. And 9/11 aside, way more people have been shot and killed in theaters, on college campuses and workplaces, than have been killed by terrorism on American soil. But any American crackpot can get a gun.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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The difference now is, we are dealing with Terrorists who are out to kill thousands, millions, a whole country. We do not know if any of these Syrians were turned by ISIS. Now is not the time to put our country in this much jeopardy.
It's unfortunate for the kids, and for the adults that are good people, but for once we have to come first, our safety, our children, our lives!!
This, a thousand times! I'm so sick of people stating those of us who don't want them here are against Muslims in general. To compare stating that people didn't want Jewish people here is a slap in the face. During WW2 if there was a chance hitler was infiltrating the U.S. With nazis to continue his disgusting "plan" then I could see the comparison, but that is not the case. I feel terrible for the Syrians who are caught in the middle of this, it's deplorable, and something needs to be done. However, bringing a ton of Syrians who haven't been vetted properly, who our own CIA says would be impossible to do, is a very bad idea. Our president took an oath of protecting us from both foreign and domestic terrorists, and I feel like he's bringing the fight to our country by doing this, and I don't agree with it. My kids, and the rest of US citizens deserve to come first for safety, without making this some disgusting excuse to say we don't want more Muslims, I don't want ISIS here, end of story.
This a million times. I do not want to take the chance of letting in more terrorists.
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What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
I am so torn on this whole situation.
For one thing, our WHOLE reason for being here..what our nation was BASED UPON, comes from people who came here to escape something. Whether you are Irish, English, Italian, Jewish, whatever...our families came here because they were seeking a better, safer life. I mean, the very foundation of which we will be celebrating NEXT WEEK, is based upon escaping religious persecution. So there is this part of me that says refusing these refugees goes against the very fundamental being of our beginnings. That the root of our nation is about freedom of religion and the pursuit of happiness. And unless you are 100% NA, MOST OF US came from a refugee of some kind.
Yet, I'm a mother. And it sickens me that the world my children are growing up in means that school is not safe, parks are not safe, movie theatres are not safe, malls are not safe. When we were growing up, our biggest worry was Stranger Danger. Because schools, parks, malls, etc WERE safe. Nowadays, we are dealing with a group that is teaching their children and wives to kill or blow themselves up.
And then I read something on FB about putting yourself in the shoes of a refugee whose baby is tossed overboard and my heart breaks.
Then I read something else on FB about Teddy Roosevelt's definition of an American and common sense kicks in.
It's just not that black and white. Part of me is compassionate. I am a mother. The other part of me is extremely cautious. Again, I am a mother.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by MissJones
I am so torn on this whole situation.
For one thing, our WHOLE reason for being here..what our nation was BASED UPON, comes from people who came here to escape something. Whether you are Irish, English, Italian, Jewish, whatever...our families came here because they were seeking a better, safer life. I mean, the very foundation of which we will be celebrating NEXT WEEK, is based upon escaping religious persecution. So there is this part of me that says refusing these refugees goes against the very fundamental being of our beginnings. That the root of our nation is about freedom of religion and the pursuit of happiness. And unless you are 100% NA, MOST OF US came from a refugee of some kind.
Yet, I'm a mother. And it sickens me that the world my children are growing up in means that school is not safe, parks are not safe, movie theatres are not safe, malls are not safe. When we were growing up, our biggest worry was Stranger Danger. Because schools, parks, malls, etc WERE safe. Nowadays, we are dealing with a group that is teaching their children and wives to kill or blow themselves up.
And then I read something on FB about putting yourself in the shoes of a refugee whose baby is tossed overboard and my heart breaks.
Then I read something else on FB about Teddy Roosevelt's definition of an American and common sense kicks in.
It's just not that black and white. Part of me is compassionate. I am a mother. The other part of me is extremely cautious. Again, I am a mother.
I have never felt so torn on something in my life. I can justify both sides - my children/family are my life, they come first, but then read the same stories you mention and I think 'isn't this what these children's parents are doing? putting their children first???'
GOD this earth needs a huge dousing of peace more than ever
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by Kitten1929
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Because 'Murica.
I find this phrase so infantile and childish. It really takes away from your point.
Also dislike this phrase
You can dislike the phrase but the sentiment is the same...you have people blindly following people like Trump whose only intent is to instill xenophobia, islamaphobia, and a hatred for others all in the name of the good old USA.
It's not hatred for most, it's self preservation. I find it interesting that NY has the biggest risk (we have been hit by terrorism several times over) , and we are the most welcoming. It's like blind acceptance .
My own experience was watching 25 year olds jumping out of the twin towers to their demise. I dread what will happen to my sons (along with the rest of us) if people do not wake up open up their eyes. If someone's feelings get hurt in the process, I'm sorry but we can't be the world's savior right now.
The President's own officials are saying there is no real way to vet the Syrians. "Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?"
and:
"Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.” Washington Post
I also disagree with the comparison of Syrian refugees to Jewish Holocaust survivors. When you show me Jews or their descendants like me blowing themselves up and trying to create a caliphate, then i'll agree with it.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by Mushesgirl
Posted by Millie3
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Millie3
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by Kitten1929
Because 'Murica.
I find this phrase so infantile and childish. It really takes away from your point.
Also dislike this phrase
You can dislike the phrase but the sentiment is the same...you have people blindly following people like Trump whose only intent is to instill xenophobia, islamaphobia, and a hatred for others all in the name of the good old USA.
It's not hatred for most, it's self preservation. I find it interesting that NY has the biggest risk (we have been hit by terrorism several times over) , and we are the most welcoming. It's like blind acceptance .
My own experience was watching 25 year olds jumping out of the twin towers to their demise. I dread what will happen to my sons (along with the rest of us) if people do not wake up open up their eyes. If someone's feelings get hurt in the process, I'm sorry but we can't be the world's savior right now.
The President's own officials are saying there is no real way to vet the Syrians. "Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?"
and:
"Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.” Washington Post
I also disagree with the comparison of Syrian refugees to Jewish Holocaust survivors. When you show me Jews or their descendants like me blowing themselves up and trying to create a caliphate, then i'll agree with it.
Thank you for making those points, especially the last one! I am trying to stay away from this post, because it is just so ridiculous and therefore upsetting, but I was glad to see someone finally said it.
This is very scary, on MANY levels! Even the fact that this comparison is being made is scary!
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by Mushesgirl
Posted by Millie3
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Millie3
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by Kitten1929
Because 'Murica.
I find this phrase so infantile and childish. It really takes away from your point.
Also dislike this phrase
You can dislike the phrase but the sentiment is the same...you have people blindly following people like Trump whose only intent is to instill xenophobia, islamaphobia, and a hatred for others all in the name of the good old USA.
It's not hatred for most, it's self preservation. I find it interesting that NY has the biggest risk (we have been hit by terrorism several times over) , and we are the most welcoming. It's like blind acceptance .
My own experience was watching 25 year olds jumping out of the twin towers to their demise. I dread what will happen to my sons (along with the rest of us) if people do not wake up open up their eyes. If someone's feelings get hurt in the process, I'm sorry but we can't be the world's savior right now.
The President's own officials are saying there is no real way to vet the Syrians. "Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?"
and:
"Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.” Washington Post
I also disagree with the comparison of Syrian refugees to Jewish Holocaust survivors. When you show me Jews or their descendants like me blowing themselves up and trying to create a caliphate, then i'll agree with it.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by Mushesgirl
I also disagree with the comparison of Syrian refugees to Jewish Holocaust survivors. When you show me Jews or their descendants like me blowing themselves up and trying to create a caliphate, then i'll agree with it.
I'm sorry but I don't understand this point. They aren't comparing Syrian refugees to Holocaust survivors. They are comparing two groups that are running / ran from political oppression and violence. The Syrian refugees are not a big group of terrorists.
Interesting follow up to this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/19/yes-the-comparison-between-jewish-and-syrian-refugees-matters/
At the time people were afraid that the European Jewish community would bring in radical un-American ideas at the time- communism, etc. because that was the political climate in Europe at the time.
The main point of the article is that there was a strong opinion to reject foreign immigration regardless of the group. Sadly, it seems to be happening again. To me, the comparison is clear.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by WhatNow
Posted by Mushesgirl
Posted by Millie3
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Millie3
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by Kitten1929
Because 'Murica.
I find this phrase so infantile and childish. It really takes away from your point.
Also dislike this phrase
You can dislike the phrase but the sentiment is the same...you have people blindly following people like Trump whose only intent is to instill xenophobia, islamaphobia, and a hatred for others all in the name of the good old USA.
It's not hatred for most, it's self preservation. I find it interesting that NY has the biggest risk (we have been hit by terrorism several times over) , and we are the most welcoming. It's like blind acceptance .
My own experience was watching 25 year olds jumping out of the twin towers to their demise. I dread what will happen to my sons (along with the rest of us) if people do not wake up open up their eyes. If someone's feelings get hurt in the process, I'm sorry but we can't be the world's savior right now.
The President's own officials are saying there is no real way to vet the Syrians. "Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?"
and:
"Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.” Washington Post
I also disagree with the comparison of Syrian refugees to Jewish Holocaust survivors. When you show me Jews or their descendants like me blowing themselves up and trying to create a caliphate, then i'll agree with it.
Thank you for making those points, especially the last one! I am trying to stay away from this post, because it is just so ridiculous and therefore upsetting, but I was glad to see someone finally said it.
This is very scary, on MANY levels! Even the fact that this comparison is being made is scary!
Agree with your last sentence also. It is scary that people are even making this comparison. What goes through people's minds? The lack awareness is terrifying. I have sons / a family to protect as most of us do.
There is no comparison, period. I can't even say the rest of what I would like to say.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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The lack awareness is terrifying. I have sons / a family to protect as most of us do.
There is no comparison, period. I can't even say the rest of what I would like to say.
Please, say it.
And yes, I agree. The lack of awareness is terrifying. It doesn't matter who you have to protect-- it's scary for all.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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The lack awareness is terrifying. I have sons / a family to protect as most of us do.
There is no comparison, period. I can't even say the rest of what I would like to say.
Please, say it.
And yes, I agree. The lack of awareness is terrifying. It doesn't matter who you have to protect-- it's scary for all.
Not here, it's not the right place. And yes it is scary for all but my thought process was very different before I had children. I was at the WTC on 9/11 and felt completely different than I do today.
In the end, I hope we all have nothing to worry about and back to business as usual.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
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Posted by Millie3
The lack awareness is terrifying. I have sons / a family to protect as most of us do.
There is no comparison, period. I can't even say the rest of what I would like to say.
Please, say it.
And yes, I agree. The lack of awareness is terrifying. It doesn't matter who you have to protect-- it's scary for all.
Not here, it's not the right place. And yes it is scary for all but my thought process was very different before I had children. I was at the WTC on 9/11 and felt completely different than I do today.
Oh, so if you don't have children, one can't understand?
You never answered the previous comment on this.
ETA: I can have a thought process as well. It doesn't matter if I have children or not.
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Re: What Americans thought of Jewish Refugees before WW2
Posted by MissJones
I am so torn on this whole situation.
For one thing, our WHOLE reason for being here..what our nation was BASED UPON, comes from people who came here to escape something. Whether you are Irish, English, Italian, Jewish, whatever...our families came here because they were seeking a better, safer life. I mean, the very foundation of which we will be celebrating NEXT WEEK, is based upon escaping religious persecution. So there is this part of me that says refusing these refugees goes against the very fundamental being of our beginnings. That the root of our nation is about freedom of religion and the pursuit of happiness. And unless you are 100% NA, MOST OF US came from a refugee of some kind.
Yet, I'm a mother. And it sickens me that the world my children are growing up in means that school is not safe, parks are not safe, movie theatres are not safe, malls are not safe. When we were growing up, our biggest worry was Stranger Danger. Because schools, parks, malls, etc WERE safe. Nowadays, we are dealing with a group that is teaching their children and wives to kill or blow themselves up.
And then I read something on FB about putting yourself in the shoes of a refugee whose baby is tossed overboard and my heart breaks.
Then I read something else on FB about Teddy Roosevelt's definition of an American and common sense kicks in.
It's just not that black and white. Part of me is compassionate. I am a mother. The other part of me is extremely cautious. Again, I am a mother.
I share many of these same conflicting thoughts as well.
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I haven't read through everything and I too am torn on the issue.
But I will give a personal anecdote. 3 years ago, in my classroom in the Bronx, I had 3 Middle eastern 6th graders (2 from Syria and 1 from Iran). They were what the DOE refers to as SIFE students (students of interrupted formal education). Basically what it meant was that these students came here without ANY information about their previous education. They had zero documentation. No medical records. No address trail. No transcripts. Nothing. Their parents also had no documentation and no one in these families spoke English (not that that matters...just adding color about the frustration level of understanding their background). There wasn't a paper trail for any of these three (unrelated) families. And this was just in MY school. 1 of hundreds in NYC.
THAT to me is frightening. We are letting in families without knowing ANYTHING about them. Obama can grandstand about the vetting process. I can read 1,000 Washington Post articles stating how thorough the US is in making sure these individuals have a solid background. But the truth is - our government is stretched too thin to guarantee that anyone who comes in is100% safe. And from my personal experience I don't feel comfortable with that...
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The holocaust museum weighs in....
http://usuncut.com/politics/holocaust-museum-welcome-refugees-or-they-will-perish-like-our-families/
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