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What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

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jgl
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What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Yesterday I went to feed my rabbit when I realized something wasnt right. Typically when he sees me he bolts out of his little hideaway house and waits for food. He didnt do this. I nudged him to come out and he moved a bit. I tried giving him a head of Romaine and even some of his seed/treats and nothing. I pulled him out and he looked really skinny and dirty on the face. His nose was all full of mucus so he sounded stuffed up. I tried cleaning him up but I could tell he was not good. He was barely moving and his body was like dead weight. I told DH it wasnt good and just cried.

I called our vet (who is also 30 mins away) but they were just closing and the woman said to go to a 24 hr vet because it was saturday (which was also at least 30 min away) because it seemed from what I was telling her that he would need observation overnight and no one would be there.

Both were too far and I didnt want to take that long to get him help so we went to the animal hospital near my house. I called when we pulled up outside and asked if they see rabbits. She doesnt say NO she says they dont have any appts. I tell her its an emergency. My dad who drove me said just go in, so I did. The woman is on the phone as im standing there with the rabbit iin my arms in a towel and crying and takes no concern to even acknowledge me standing there. She gets off the phone and I tell her the rabbit is in really bad shape. She tells me that the dr. is in with 2 cats and cant come out. I start really crying and say that someone really needs to see him. She hands us paperwork and repeats that the Dr. is busy with 2 cats.

I get that I dont know the situation with the 2 cats the vet is seeing, but she clearly sees that this is not a good situation and she is so unsympathetic,

She then walks away and comes back and says that the vet says we should go to an emergency vet who would be better able to help us. Chat Icon

I literally started balling and said something like "you cant just tell me he is dying and help me" and walked out. My dad was ****** and was like your kidding?

We got in the car and another patient came to us to tell us 2 vets we could go to and that "Just so we know" that since the vet had never seen our rabbit before that by law he cant see him in an emergency because if something happens to the animal he could have a problem (or something like this... honestly I was too much of a mess to focus). Does this make sense to you? So if an animal gets hit by a car outside their office and a person brings him in willing to pay for treatment, the vet wont see him? seriously???? I think he just wanted to go home.

If they told me they dont see rabbits that is one thing, although Im sure if they would have just looked at him they would have known the outcome, but to turn someone away with an animal that was in such bad shape without even looking at it????


We pretty much new that the rabbit was dying. We just needed someone to help us. Tell us that he was and we couldnt help him and put him down so he wasnt in pain. The vet never even looked at him. He made me take the poor thing to ANOTHER vet for them to pretty much tell me the rabbit is in very bad condition and IN PAIN. We had to have them put him down Chat Icon


This other vet was very nice. they took us in right away and when we made the decision to have him put down, he put every other patient on hold to do it, because the poor guy was in pain. His temp was 93 and it should be 99. Im so sad about this other vet and that my poor liittle bunny had to suffer for more time than needed. So heartless.

Thank you if you made it through this. Was what the vet did normal? Would you complain in some way???



ETA:

DH and I were looking at the ethic codes for vets and based on this as well I feel he was in the wrong...

In emergencies, veterinarians have an ethical responsibility to provide essential services for animals when necessary to save life or relieve suffering, subsequent to client agreement. Such emergency care may be limited to euthanasia to relieve suffering, or to stabilization of the patient for transport to another source of animal care.

When veterinarians cannot be available to provide services, they should arrange with their colleagues to assure that emergency services are available, consistent with the needs of the locality.

Veterinarians who believe that they haven't the experience or equipment to manage and treat certain emergencies in the best manner, should advise the client that more qualified or specialized services are available elsewhere and offer to expedite referral to those services..

Message edited 8/8/2011 8:48:32 AM.

Posted 8/7/11 10:54 AM
 
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Re: Wat do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet

I'm not sure about the whole vet situation (although it doesnt sound right to me!) but I just wanted to say Im so sorry for your loss! Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/7/11 11:25 AM
 

jgl
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Re: Wat do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet

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I'm not sure about the whole vet situation (although it doesnt sound right to me!) but I just wanted to say Im so sorry for your loss! Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



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Posted 8/7/11 1:09 PM
 

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Re: Wat do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet

I have no idea either but it certainly doesnt make any sense does it? They're a friggin doctor afterall....Chat Icon

I'm so sorry for your loss and SHAME ON THAT FIRST VET. A little bit of compassion goes a wrong effing way (sorry your post made me mad and upset)Chat Icon

Posted 8/7/11 1:47 PM
 

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I am not sure but I am so sorry for your loss.Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/7/11 6:14 PM
 

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Re: Wat do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet

I am so sorry, Chat Icon I dk if its a legal thing but I had a similar situation. My dog literally died in front of my twins on a saturday pretty much due to a vets mistake. My husband got in in his head she could b in a coma even though we knew she was not. He wanted proof she was not. I ran in before would crying n the gentleman came out n looked at her and even took a syringe to see she bled out. He was very compassionate n immed helped. Mean people suck** I am so so sorry.I would personally write a letter to them.

Posted 8/7/11 10:58 PM
 

jgl
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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

thank you everyone.

Im steaming mad.

I just edited to add some more information.

Posted 8/8/11 8:49 AM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Typically, ethical codes apply to clients. At that point, you were not a client of the vet's office. I don't think he was required to provide services.

Posted 8/8/11 9:23 AM
 

jgl
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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Posted by SecretTTCer

Typically, ethical codes apply to clients. At that point, you were not a client of the vet's office. I don't think he was required to provide services.



Could be, which may have been why he didnt come out to look at my rabbit, but thats a pretty shitttty thing to do. Makes him a shittty dr IMO! Glad he isnt my dr!

However, i still think client or not as a dr you have an ethical obligation. If someone comes in dying you are just going to turn them away and say sorry im busy???



Posted 8/8/11 9:32 AM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

That is a shiitty vet.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Poor bunny.

You did everything you could.

Posted 8/8/11 11:25 AM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Posted by jgl

Posted by SecretTTCer

Typically, ethical codes apply to clients. At that point, you were not a client of the vet's office. I don't think he was required to provide services.



Could be, which may have been why he didnt come out to look at my rabbit, but thats a pretty shitttty thing to do. Makes him a shittty dr IMO! Glad he isnt my dr!

However, i still think client or not as a dr you have an ethical obligation. If someone comes in dying you are just going to turn them away and say sorry im busy???






A doctor-patient relationship must be established in order to violate ethical codes. A doctor always has the right to refuse care for a potential patient.

Posted 8/8/11 9:51 PM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

I am so sorry you had to deal with that a-hole of a dr. I am so very sorry for your lossChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/9/11 6:49 PM
 

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I am sorry for your loss.Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/12/11 7:02 PM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

I work at a vets office and what that hospital did was absolutely wrong. No vet (should) turn away an emergency if they have never seen the pet before. Thats so stupid! But I guess a Dr. does have the right to refuse treatment however a true kind hearted vet would have told his other patients that he has an emergency and should have taken care of your rabbit. People generally understand situations like this and people who have animals would completely understand that if an emergency occurs they will have to wait. This happens all the time where I work and people are really understanding. I am really truly sorry that you had to go through this and the fact that the receptionist was so unsympathetic doesnt help. Im glad you went elsewhere and know that your little rabbit is now in a happy place Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

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Posted 8/13/11 2:14 PM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

I'm so sorry Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/13/11 5:59 PM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

I am so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon That does not sound right about vets not being able to treat an animal in an emergency if they haven't seen the animal before. I've brought animals to vets that I've found hurt or sick and have never been turned away. I've even brought animals to vets *I* have never seen before.
I have rabbits as well and do know that some vets aren't comfortable treating them. But that doesn't really sound like the case here.
Again, so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon

Posted 8/14/11 11:28 AM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Posted by CellarDweller

I am so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon That does not sound right about vets not being able to treat an animal in an emergency if they haven't seen the animal before. I've brought animals to vets that I've found hurt or sick and have never been turned away. I've even brought animals to vets *I* have never seen before.
I have rabbits as well and do know that some vets aren't comfortable treating them. But that doesn't really sound like the case here.
Again, so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon




Thank you all! I really appreciate the thought to respond.

I agree, I do know that some vets aren't trained or very experienced with rabbits. I doubt this was the case or they would have said this to me. The vet that we went ito after admitted to not being an expert on rabbits but it wasnt hard for him to see that the rabbit ad pnemonia and was dying.

Im writing a letter to the ethics board and they can do with it what they want, but I feel even if my case does not fall under being unethical, that I need to say something

Posted 8/14/11 11:43 AM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

Posted by jgl

Posted by CellarDweller

I am so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon That does not sound right about vets not being able to treat an animal in an emergency if they haven't seen the animal before. I've brought animals to vets that I've found hurt or sick and have never been turned away. I've even brought animals to vets *I* have never seen before.
I have rabbits as well and do know that some vets aren't comfortable treating them. But that doesn't really sound like the case here.
Again, so sorry for your loss. Chat Icon




Thank you all! I really appreciate the thought to respond.

I agree, I do know that some vets aren't trained or very experienced with rabbits. I doubt this was the case or they would have said this to me. The vet that we went ito after admitted to not being an expert on rabbits but it wasnt hard for him to see that the rabbit ad pnemonia and was dying.

Im writing a letter to the ethics board and they can do with it what they want, but I feel even if my case does not fall under being unethical, that I need to say something



I would also either write to the vet practice that refused treatment. It's possible that who ever owns it is not aware that people are being turned away.
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Posted 8/14/11 1:08 PM
 

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Re: What do you think? Re: Vet refusing to see a pet ETA: ETHICS CODE VETS ARE TO FOLLOW

I just want to say this story is heartbreaking Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon I am so sorry you lost a good little friend. Chat Icon Chat Icon It sounds like he had such a nice life (I just read he was good friends with your cat) Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 8/14/11 7:19 PM
 
 

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