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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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He said that 95% of his patients get the epi, it is 100% safe for the baby and that there is no need to be a "hero" or a "martyr" because the baby will be born whether or not I am suffering or not.
See, I have a problem with a Dr. saying this. I in NO way think I am going to be a "hero" or a "martyr" just because I am choosing to go drug free. I'm no better or worse than any other woman giving birth, in whatever situation.
It's an extremely PERSONAL decision and it frustrates me when a dr tries to sway you or discourage you from what you believe in.
It's your body, it's your baby, it's your birth!
ITA. I think it's a "cultural" thing now that all women NEED an epi or a c-section.
In reality, for doctors it's really a "MONEY" thing, a legal issue.
I want an epi and want a c-section so I don't go my past DD.
BUT... only because this is available to me. What would I do if it was not? I would be SOL and would have to "tough it out"... That's it! For years, women had natural birth. There was nothing wrong with that.
Right now an epi or c-section is a win-win for both patients and the whole hospital/dr relationship. A c-section is convenient, dr. makes more money. An epi brings money to the hospital, patient does not hurt.
My sister who still lives in France had a c-section... and let me tell you... it's because she was 36 hours in labor and baby was transverse. They tried everything. C-sections in other countries ARE considered a last resort. Here it's "common". Winthrop claims that 45% of their birth is from a c-section. That's almost half. I cannot believe that almost half of PG women need to have a c-section to give birth. Yes, some do. But what did those women do before c-sections were the "norm"? They DIED?? NO.
The bad thing is that the convenience have made it to be the norm.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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the epi, it is 100% safe for the baby
FYI - it is not 100% safe
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by chelle
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
the epi, it is 100% safe for the baby
FYI - it is not 100% safe
And, I'm not a doctor, but I've done some research, and there are some side effects that can come from the epi for the mother as well.
I'm "hoping" to go naturally. But, I've never done this before, so who knows what will happen. I explained my feelings to my doctor and he understands....but also told me not to be a martyr, which I wouldln't do anyway.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
ITA -- I've never done this before, so I am ready to be flexible when the time comes. The birth process decision is a very personal one, and I think we all should be at least skeptical of anyone trying to push us one way or the other. I don't blame Donna for feeling upset!
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by smdl
Posted by chelle
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
He said that 95% of his patients get the epi, it is 100% safe for the baby and that there is no need to be a "hero" or a "martyr" because the baby will be born whether or not I am suffering or not.
See, I have a problem with a Dr. saying this. I in NO way think I am going to be a "hero" or a "martyr" just because I am choosing to go drug free. I'm no better or worse than any other woman giving birth, in whatever situation.
It's an extremely PERSONAL decision and it frustrates me when a dr tries to sway you or discourage you from what you believe in.
It's your body, it's your baby, it's your birth!
ITA. I think it's a "cultural" thing now that all women NEED an epi or a c-section.
In reality, for doctors it's really a "MONEY" thing, a legal issue.
I want an epi and want a c-section so I don't go my past DD.
BUT... only because this is available to me. What would I do if it was not? I would be SOL and would have to "tough it out"... That's it! For years, women had natural birth. There was nothing wrong with that.
Right now an epi or c-section is a win-win for both patients and the whole hospital/dr relationship. A c-section is convenient, dr. makes more money. An epi brings money to the hospital, patient does not hurt.
My sister who still lives in France had a c-section... and let me tell you... it's because she was 36 hours in labor and baby was transverse. They tried everything. C-sections in other countries ARE considered a last resort. Here it's "common". Winthrop claims that 45% of their birth is from a c-section. That's almost half. I cannot believe that almost half of PG women need to have a c-section to give birth. Yes, some do. But what did those women do before c-sections were the "norm"? They DIED?? NO.
The bad thing is that the convenience have made it to be the norm.
I agree that C-sections and other assistance are becoming the norm in far too many cases. However, a lot of people are recognizing that and lumping all C-sections into a category of "unnecessary." In my case, I am totally confident that it is really necessary and it is not my doctor who doubts me, it is other people. I am glad that my doctor and I agree because my birth will go as I feel it should. My heart goes out to people who are doing their homework and finding different things than their doctors tell them.
Years ago, a woman who had multiple large fibroids had one real option: hysterectomy. There were no C-sections for them after their fibroids were treated because there were no babies for them. For me, I had the choice of 4 different procedures to address fibroids. I had an operation that left my uterus intact (2, actually). I saved my fertility and if that means a C-section is my safest route, I am ready. I do add to the statistics about the # of C-sections but I also add to the statistics about the improvements in gyn surgery. It's something to think about when asking why so many C-sections.
Sorry for a long post about C-sections. My heart does go out to people whose birth plan is not the same as their doctor's. If I am having trouble discussing this with friends and family, I can't imagine how difficult it must be not to even know if your doctor will allow you to make your own plans for your own body and baby. 
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
This is where I think finding the right doctor for you is key. I was going to my OBGYN before I got preggo but when I did get pg I asked him a whole bunch of questions to make sure he was the right doc for me. Just because he was good as my gyn, I wanted to make sure he was the doc I wanted to be my OB.
I asked him if he induces and when, when does he consider c-section, how does he feel about natural birth, epis, etc. And, he had the exact views I was looking for so I stuck with him.
I wasn't going to get an eip, but ended up getting one after being stuck at 6 cms for 6 hours because the contractions were so unbearable for me. But, never once was the epi forced on me. As a matter of fact, I had to WAIT for like 45 minutes before he finally came.
When you get to the hospital, they will ask if you want one, just tell them "no and please don't ask me unless I mention it." The nurses are more than happy to oblige.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
I agree - medicated labor is definitely recommended and administered almost without any problem - If you want it - they will give it like its the norm.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by AnnBrunoXO
I agree - medicated labor is definitely recommended and administered almost without any problem - If you want it - they will give it like its the norm.
Right...Its the "norm" ...but what's wrong with not doing it?
I just dont get how there has been a stogma of sorts for women who want to go natural.
We are seen as maryters and trying to be a hero?
I want to be neither. I want to lower my risks of needing a C-section and I have anxiety over the Epi's effects.....Simple as that.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by AnnBrunoXO
I agree - medicated labor is definitely recommended and administered almost without any problem - If you want it - they will give it like its the norm.
Right...Its the "norm" ...but what's wrong with not doing it?
I just dont get how there has been a stogma of sorts for women who want to go natural.
We are seen as maryters and trying to be a hero?
I want to be neither. I want to lower my risks of needing a C-section and I have anxiety over the Epi's effects.....Simple as that.
There is absoulutely nothing wrong with natural childbirth.
What my doctor told me didnt make me angry at all because he was bascially letting me know that if I didnt want to experience that amount of pain, to not be afraid to get the epi. (I am 10000% against demerol for example)
In my mind you are a hero in some ways because if you can deal with the pain with postitve thought that it is "pain with a purpose" or other natural techniques you are braver than I could be.
I have a very high tolerance for pain. I had my impacted wisdom teeth out and took zero pain killers afterwards, not even tylenol. 
I never did this before so I cant compare the pain to anything else. I will try my hardest to hold out and go natural but after that one convo with my doctor, I wont feel one bit of guilt if I decide to get an epi.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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The critic in me thinks they just want you drugged so you arent a PITA.
BUt honestly its the nurses at the hospital that make all the difference.
I agree with the first part too...
The second part, is that yes, you see mainly the nurses and thats an issue too, b/c its much easier for the nurses too, to get you on the monitor and not have to be checking on you continually, it makes their job easier and I was basically told "telling the nurses NOT to offer me pain meds...would be a waste of time"....
IT'S YOUR CHOICE. They cannot and will not give you ANY pain meds without your consent. Technically, they can't even perform an emergency c-section if you refused. I actually ended up "forced" to have my first naturally and can tell you it's not only manageable, but perfectly acceptable. Ignore your dr.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by dm24angel
Right...Its the "norm" ...but what's wrong with not doing it?
I just dont get how there has been a stogma of sorts for women who want to go natural.
We are seen as maryters and trying to be a hero?
I want to be neither. I want to lower my risks of needing a C-section and I have anxiety over the Epi's effects.....Simple as that.
The epi can indeed stop you from dilating further. Then you are stucked for hours which mean now they have to do a c-section.
Donna, I think people are so used to the epi that they don't even "conceive" that some people do not want it. I don't think they understand. I did not until I got PG. I thought my mom was nuts when she asked me if I was getting epi. I was like "duhhh mom!!" She never did and told "you forget all about it when you little one is there". She gave birth to 5 children. I still cannot conceive not having an epi.
I don't think you are a hero or a martyr. It's just how you want to experience the birth of your child. I wish people would be more open minded.
Imaging if you had told her you wanted to give birth in a bathrub... 
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by AnnBrunoXO
I agree - medicated labor is definitely recommended and administered almost without any problem - If you want it - they will give it like its the norm.
Right...Its the "norm" ...but what's wrong with not doing it?
I just dont get how there has been a stogma of sorts for women who want to go natural.
We are seen as maryters and trying to be a hero?
I want to be neither. I want to lower my risks of needing a C-section and I have anxiety over the Epi's effects.....Simple as that.
I never said that there was anything wrong with not doing it - i would like to try it out this time around and not have the edi. I did the first time around because we choose to get induced and the contractions were coming so close together I could barely breath and opted to get one - which i don't regret (but thats beside the point).
I love my doctor - but he did tell me that I shouldn't have to be a hero and should get one if I want it - its the mentality that alot of the doctors and nurses have - in the long run - its your body, your baby and you make the decisions just like everything else in life.
I think that overall the amount of woman that choose to have the edi has increased greatly over the years and the doctors are somewhat surprised when patients don't want one. Of course - if you feel that you may have complications than by all means - just say no to it - but im not disagreeing with your opinion about the whole epi epic..
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I went through the same thing and left my gyno for the Stony Brook midwives -- it was the best decision I made. I had a natural childbirth, was able to move, never stuck on a monitor, able to get in the shower, etc., etc. while I was in the hospital I can't recommend them enough if you want natural childbirth.
Unfortunately, most OBs are so set in the "medical mindset" that they can't wrap their heads around the fact that a normal birth is a natural (not medical event). Good luck.
ETA: I'm a huge advocate of natural childbirth and I could write a book on it, but I'll try to keep it brief. Hospital births are set-up for the convenience of the doctos and nurses -- a drugged patient, strapped to a bed is much easier to deal with than a naturally laboring woman -- a nurse can sit at her station and check your monitor without getting up, a doctor can put pictocin in your IV if he feels you're taking too long, pushing a baby out flat on your back gives your doctor a much better view, despite the fact that it contracts your pelvis and makes it harder for you to push the baby out.
You're strapped to a monitor for their convenience. I had my baby at a hospital w/ midwives who are subject to the same type of malpractice suits as OBs, but I was never strapped to a monitor -- intermittent monitoring is just as effective as continuous monitoring. They want you drugged because the reality is that by keeping you stuck in your bed they are making the birth experience unnatural and unbearable to the point that most women will need an epidural to make it through the experience. Don't listen to all the excuses of why you have to do these things -- as long as your delivery remains normal (and an involved birth attendent will be able to monitor it and step-in where needed) you don't need to be strapped to your bed. My advice is find another practicioner.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by Dragonfly75
I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I went through the same thing and left my gyno for the Stony Brook midwives -- it was the best decision I made. I had a natural childbirth, was able to move, never stuck on a monitor, able to get in the shower, etc., etc. while I was in the hospital I can't recommend them enough if you want natural childbirth.
Unfortunately, most OBs are so set in the "medical mindset" that they can't wrap their heads around the fact that a normal birth is a natural (not medical event). Good luck.
ETA: I'm a huge advocate of natural childbirth and I could write a book on it, but I'll try to keep it brief. Hospital births are set-up for the convenience of the doctos and nurses -- a drugged patient, strapped to a bed is much easier to deal with than a naturally laboring woman -- a nurse can sit at her station and check your monitor without getting up, a doctor can put pictocin in your IV if he feels you're taking too long, pushing a baby out flat on your back gives your doctor a much better view, despite the fact that it contracts your pelvis and makes it harder for you to push the baby out.
You're strapped to a monitor for their convenience. I had my baby at a hospital w/ midwives who are subject to the same type of malpractice suits as OBs, but I was never strapped to a monitor -- intermittent monitoring is just as effective as continuous monitoring. They want you drugged because the reality is that by keeping you stuck in your bed they are making the birth experience unnatural and unbearable to the point that most women will need an epidural to make it through the experience. Don't listen to all the excuses of why you have to do these things -- as long as your delivery remains normal (and an involved birth attendent will be able to monitor it and step-in where needed) you don't need to be strapped to your bed. My advice is find another practicioner.
Keep in mind that some women WANT to be "strapped to a monitor" and don't mind!! Not all of us are rearing up and ready for a natural birth!! And I think what you said
"They want you drugged because the reality is that by keeping you stuck in your bed they are making the birth experience unnatural and unbearable to the point that most women will need an epidural to make it through the experience" is really not true...
Doctors and nurses ENCOURAGE you to walk around the halls, do whatever you feel like doing while you labor! I'm not saying it's perfect everywhere, and yes, I'm sure a lot of times drugs are offered constantly but from what me and my friends have experienced, we all needed them for one reason or another and were happy as hell to have them!
Just please don't make the experience out to be that way for women choosing to go through a regular hospital. It's very far from what most of us have experienced. I was monited the whole time and LOVED to be able to see my babies heartbeat, see my contractions and know that doctors and nurses were steadily monitoring as well.
I don't knock the way you had your baby, you did what was right for you and its great you had a positive birth experience, but doesn't mean that other ways are bad. I had ZERO desire to "naturally labor". Some of us are all about the drugs, all about the monitoring and all about the convenience of a hospital bed where they are monitored 24/7. I will do it the exact same way next time.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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I don't knock the way you had your baby, you did what was right for you and its great you had a positive birth experience, but doesn't mean that other ways are bad. I had ZERO desire to "naturally labor". Some of us are all about the drugs, all about the monitoring and all about the convenience of a hospital bed where they are monitored 24/7. I will do it the exact same way next time.
I was responding to the OP. I'm glad you were happy with your experience, but she doesn't want to be forced to have that same experience -- that's what I'm responding to. While some docs will encourage you to walk halls, those that strap you to a monitor and IV when you are admitted are not encouraging you to walk the halls -- that's what I'm speaking to.
The point I'm making is that by strapping you to a bed, the hospital is inturrupting the natural course of labor and making it more painful, so pain relief is more necessary -- ask any woman who has labored naturally. If you're not interested in laboring naturally, this post has nothing to do with you and I don't understand the defensiveness. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with women who take drugs -- I'm saying there's something wrong with the hospital scenario that pressures women to take drugs and makes labor more difficult. I'm saying it's a myth that continuous montoring is safer for the baby ACOG (American College of Obstetrics and Gynos) has put out statements saying that intermittent monitoring is just as safe -- I'm saying it's a myth to think that an epidural is 100% safe -- it can cause the mother's blood pressure to drop, it can cause cause fever in the mother and fetal distress -- so taking an epidural does not make your birth safer.
Again, if you want an epi, that's fine -- any woman who wants pain relief shoud have it. But epidural births do not have to be the standard. As long as your delivery remains normal a natural birth is just as safe (actually safer than a medicallized birth).
I'm not knocking the way anyone had their baby. Everyone has the right to choose and that's my whole point.The current system makes it very difficult for a woman to choose to go without drugs and that was the OP's concern.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I was all about going natural too until my doctor said something that really changed my mind and made alot of sense to me.
He said that 95% of his patients get the epi, it is 100% safe for the baby and that there is no need to be a "hero" or a "martyr" because the baby will be born whether or not I am suffering or not.
Personally I am scared of the epi a little but I guess there really is no reason to suffer for hours if I dont have to.
This is all my personal opinion.
I just have to address this because it is a huge peeve of mine -- I have never heard a woman say, "I want to give birth naturally because I want to be a hero/martyr." By and large women who choose to go natural do so because they are not comfortable with the risks of drugged/medicalized births -- it has nothing to do with liking pain or fancying themselves as heroes.
In my situation -- I had 19 hours of back labor -- it was intense, I could understand why many women choose drugs. But it never got to the point that I was more comfortable with the idea of an epidural than I was with the idea of sticking it out naturally.
This is a decision that every woman has to make for herself, but I really think the whole "don't be a hero" thing is silly.
A woman is neither a hero or a martyr for the way she gives birth, because honestly, all mothers are heroes for giving birth at all.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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I don't knock the way you had your baby, you did what was right for you and its great you had a positive birth experience, but doesn't mean that other ways are bad. I had ZERO desire to "naturally labor". Some of us are all about the drugs, all about the monitoring and all about the convenience of a hospital bed where they are monitored 24/7. I will do it the exact same way next time.
I was responding to the OP. I'm glad you were happy with your experience, but she doesn't want to be forced to have that same experience -- that's what I'm responding to. While some docs will encourage you to walk halls, those that strap you to a monitor and IV when you are admitted are not encouraging you to walk the halls -- that's what I'm speaking to.
The point I'm making is that by strapping you to a bed, the hospital is inturrupting the natural course of labor and making it more painful, so pain relief is more necessary -- ask any woman who has labored naturally. If you're not interested in laboring naturally, this post has nothing to do with you and I don't understand the defensiveness. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with women who take drugs -- I'm saying there's something wrong with the hospital scenario that pressures women to take drugs and makes labor more difficult. I'm saying it's a myth that continuous montoring is safer for the baby ACOG (American College of Obstetrics and Gynos) has put out statements saying that intermittent monitoring is just as safe -- I'm saying it's a myth to think that an epidural is 100% safe -- it can cause the mother's blood pressure to drop, it can cause cause fever in the mother and fetal distress -- so taking an epidural does not make your birth safer.
Again, if you want an epi, that's fine -- any woman who wants pain relief shoud have it. But epidural births do not have to be the standard. As long as your delivery remains normal a natural birth is just as safe (actually safer than a medicallized birth).
I'm not knocking the way anyone had their baby. Everyone has the right to choose and that's my whole point.The current system makes it very difficult for a woman to choose to go without drugs and that was the OP's concern.
The reason I got defensive and felt you were knocking the way the majority of us deliver, is because you were describing it as if that is usually how it happens, meaning getting strapped down and not left to do what you need to do...and I totally didn't find this to be the case.
In fact, yes, they will monitor you upon being admitted to check contractions and the babies heartrate...but after that (from my experience and that of my friends) we were all told to walk the halls, walk around the hospital, do whatever we needed to help dilate more. That's all. I just never felt i was strapped down and given no choices.
I do understand your points and aplogize for getting defensive...like others have said, labor is a very personal decision and we all like to think we choose what is best for us, as natural labor was for you. I give you credit, i could NEVER have gone through that many hours of back labor. I had 2 hours of back labor before requesting the epi!
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A woman is neither a hero or a martyr for the way she gives birth, because honestly, all mothers are heroes for giving birth at all.
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr. If you dont agree, then ok. But tossing around what my doctor said as the main point of discussion has me rather confused.
What dragonfly posted above is the absolute truth!
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
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Posted by Dragonfly75
A woman is neither a hero or a martyr for the way she gives birth, because honestly, all mothers are heroes for giving birth at all.
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr. If you dont agree, then ok. But tossing around what my doctor said as the main point of discussion has me rather confused.
What dragonfly posted above is the absolute truth!
Its just a very derogatory(sp?) statement to make ....I would say its the same as another Dr. calling a women who Got an Epi a Wimp.... No one should be called any names for what they have choosen....
I really didnt want this thread to be a debate. I found this to be my experience and that of many on the boards recently ( the birth plans threads etc) and was just wondering why suddenly natural birth seems to be looked upon in a strange light ( IMO) .
I have nothing against those who get an Epi and Im not even sure I wont get one right away...Its just the notion Im speaking of...
And i have to address the "walking the halls" part....That is allowed in hospitals when your like 2-4 cm's dialated to get things moving. Once your further along, you are in the bed....imagine being in pain and in the bed and not being able to even sit up b/c the monitor will fall off...Thats why a lot of women get the Drugs so early...Or choose to...because the pain of labor is made worse by being so staionary.....
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by dm24angel
I really didnt want this thread to be a debate.
Unfortunately, it will ALWAYS turn into a debate
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr.
The reason the whole hero/martyr thing touches a nerve with me is that I think it trivializes natural childbirth, as if women only go natural to proove how tough they are.
Most women who choose to go natural do so because they believe it is the best thing for them and their baby.
I also agree it shouldn't be a debate -- the best way to deliver your baby is the way that works for you and makes you happy -- medicated or natural. My problem is with doctors and hospitals who are so uneducated about natural childbirth and dismissive of their patient's valid concerns about "routine interventions." The current system is set-up to support medicated birth at the exclusion of natural birth -- you have to really search to find a practicioner and hospital that will support natural childbirth. But if it's important to you, it's worth doing. I feel really blessed to have been able to have a wonderful, unmedicated birth in a hospital -- it can be done and everyone should be able to make that choice.
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chelle
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Isn't it obvious?
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by Dragonfly75
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr.
The reason the whole hero/martyr thing touches a nerve with me is that I think it trivializes natural childbirth, as if women only go natural to proove how tough they are.
Most women who choose to go natural do so because they believe it is the best thing for them and their baby.
I also agree it shouldn't be a debate -- the best way to deliver your baby is the way that works for you and makes you happy -- medicated or natural. My problem is with doctors and hospitals who are so uneducated about natural childbirth and dismissive of their patient's valid concerns about "routine interventions." The current system is set-up to support medicated birth at the exclusion of natural birth -- you have to really search to find a practicioner and hospital that will support natural childbirth. But if it's important to you, it's worth doing. I feel really blessed to have been able to have a wonderful, unmedicated birth in a hospital -- it can be done and everyone should be able to make that choice.
VERY well said 
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dm24angel
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by Dragonfly75
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr.
The reason the whole hero/martyr thing touches a nerve with me is that I think it trivializes natural childbirth, as if women only go natural to proove how tough they are.
EXACTLY......
Im not trying to be Tough or prove anything about myself to myself or to anyone.
Im concenred with my own medical history of Low BP being complicated by an EPI ( proven to be the case) and found it odd that it was STILL suggested as my best option and that if I were or baby was in danger, A C-section could always be performed.....VERSUS saying, why dont we try for Natural birth as the alternative.
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Dragonfly75
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I dont understand why everyone is hung up on this thing my doctor said about being a hero or a martyr.
The reason the whole hero/martyr thing touches a nerve with me is that I think it trivializes natural childbirth, as if women only go natural to proove how tough they are.
EXACTLY......
Im not trying to be Tough or prove anything about myself to myself or to anyone.
Im concenred with my own medical history of Low BP being complicated by an EPI ( proven to be the case) and found it odd that it was STILL suggested as my best option and that if I were or baby was in danger, A C-section could always be performed.....VERSUS saying, why dont we try for Natural birth as the alternative.
I dont think the topic itself is a debate, just the part about what my doctor said became the focal point instead of the actual topic.
Not to beat a dead horse but I thought the terms hero/martyr are positive things to be. I guess just not in this context. 
Message edited 5/27/2007 9:28:17 AM.
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Porrruss
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Re: WHY is natural labor looked down on?
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
I dont think the topic itself is a debate, just the part about what my doctor said became the focal point instead of the actual topic.
Not to beat a dead horse but I thought the terms hero/martyr are positive things to be. I guess just not in this context.
I don't think it's specifically that YOU mentioned your doctor said it. It's that MANY people say this when a woman mentions she wants to go totally natural.
In fact, I even said it to a friend years ago when she announced she wanted to go natural with her first born (what a jack arse I was....)
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