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headoverheels
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Wow, that's outstanding
I love that someone came on here looking for help and then the post got so ridiculous that it had to be (or was asked to be) removed.
Good job ladies  So glad this board is such a positive place where people can ask for assistance!
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jilliibabii
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Ah now I feel bad, I just had to comment on it, even though I've been sitting on my hands. Though I didn't even mention the original post! All I said was allergies can come and go in life. I know I personally had severe allergies as a kid, then they went away, and now they're back. 
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Goobster
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by headoverheels
I love that someone came on here looking for help and then the post got so ridiculous that it had to be (or was asked to be) removed.
Good job ladies So glad this board is such a positive place where people can ask for assistance!
I have given plenty of advice, support and assistance to many posters on pets over the years. Sorry but you can't expect people to refrain from posting when it maybe isn't what the OP was looking to hear.
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| Posted 3/22/11 3:59 PM |
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THUMPER
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Not sure what it had to do with, I am assuming allergies to animals.
Yes allergies can come and go, but at the time of allergy onset, sometimes we have no choice but to re home a family pet. It may s&uck to some people, but every family has to make choices for them.
Sad when they ask for advice sometimes, and get attacked for their choice. Sometimes the advice is wondreful and sometimes you just have to shake your head at the answers. It is a open forum and unfortunatly not everyone is going to like it.
Everyone has theoptions to do what they think best for them ad their families, and should not be made to feel like s&hit because of it.
JMO
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
Sorry but you can't expect people to refrain from posting when it maybe isn't what the OP was looking to hear.
OP was looking to hear what the best way for finding a new home for a pet was. No one really offered help/advice there. Instead her reasons for wanting to re-home a pet were challenged.
Not very helpful IMO.
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headoverheels
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by sunflowerjesss
Posted by Goobster
Sorry but you can't expect people to refrain from posting when it maybe isn't what the OP was looking to hear.
OP was looking to hear what the best way for finding a new home for a pet was. No one really offered help/advice there. Instead her reasons for wanting to re-home a pet were challenged.
Not very helpful IMO.
Exactly. I guess some people would rather feel superior than actually try and help or offer advice. Something a little better than "maybe you should have though about having your kids tested for allergies first" or "maybe you have too much on your hands. Shame on you for not taking our advice before, now we will just berate you for your choices." 
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
I think people need to refrain from posting, when it is going to cause drama. I am sure the OP feels horrible enough, I would never even think to have my child tested beforehand. Also, you can get allergies later on, my DH never had allergies before and now is suffering terribly with them. So if it came down to him being allergic to our dog, one would have to go.
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sunflowerjesss
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by THUMPER
So if it came down to him being allergic to our dog, one would have to go.
In this case it would be DH.  
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by jilliibabii
Ah now I feel bad, I just had to comment on it, even though I've been sitting on my hands. Though I didn't even mention the original post! All I said was allergies can come and go in life. I know I personally had severe allergies as a kid, then they went away, and now they're back.
I never saw the original post, but just wanted to second the fact that allergies can absolutely come and go. I used to be allergic to cats when I was little...then I was fine...now I have cats and during allergy season the lil buggers give me hives from time to time.
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headoverheels
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by jilliibabii
Ah now I feel bad, I just had to comment on it, even though I've been sitting on my hands. Though I didn't even mention the original post! All I said was allergies can come and go in life. I know I personally had severe allergies as a kid, then they went away, and now they're back.
It was not you AT ALL  I think you really were just posting to be helpful!
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by headoverheels
I love that someone came on here looking for help and then the post got so ridiculous that it had to be (or was asked to be) removed.
Good job ladies So glad this board is such a positive place where people can ask for assistance!
Talk about drama posts.
Sorry but the pets board isn't always going to be about giving "hugs". When it comes to rehoming an animal, just telling people what they want to hear isn't fair animals at all. And let the record be straight. This entire situation was FAR from only about allergies to pets. Many OTHER reasons were listed why the dog needs a new home. It's so much more than that, esp if you take the time to know more than just yesterday's thread. So your view of "helping" is not MY view of helping. And I am free to post just as you are.
The real issue here is about the TRAVESTY of adopting dogs when it's really just not an ideal time or just too much of a GAMBLE (for the dog). Hence why alot of rescue groups and shelters did not want to adopt out a dog to a family with children under 10, let alone infants and more on the way possibly. So I will never just sit back and say "aw, sorry, good luck finding him a home". I think it's a disgrace that people make such light of rehoming pets that didn't ask to be put in the situations they are in anyway.
In addition, so much for advice anyway. Apparently people do what they want despite all the "advice". It's wasted breath and wasted time. This is exactly why alot of true animal lovers don't post on here anymore. They can't take this kind of stuff over and over again. Same story, different day and it's quite frustrating to see it all unfold every time.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Whatever the OP reasons were it is her business and she was looking for a home for it, not a shelter. Yes she post and asked for help, she did not let the dog out in the cold.
I am a animal lover also, but do not think someone should keep a dog, that they cannot give the love and needs a pet requires. We all make mistakes, but that does not mean she needs to be berated for her choice.
I try to refrain from posting on things that annoy me, not to start drama on that post. Just like in person when someone says something you do not like, do you not sometimes just have to walk away from the situation.
Not worth the stress involved to get upset over something we have no control over.
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headoverheels
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
Posted by headoverheels
I love that someone came on here looking for help and then the post got so ridiculous that it had to be (or was asked to be) removed.
Good job ladies So glad this board is such a positive place where people can ask for assistance!
Talk about drama posts.
Sorry but the pets board isn't always going to be about giving "hugs". When it comes to rehoming an animal, just telling people what they want to hear isn't fair animals at all. And let the record be straight. This entire situation was FAR from only about allergies to pets. Many OTHER reasons were listed why the dog needs a new home. It's so much more than that, esp if you take the time to know more than just yesterday's thread. So your view of "helping" is not MY view of helping. And I am free to post just as you are.
The real issue here is about the TRAVESTY of adopting dogs when it's really just not an ideal time or just too much of a GAMBLE (for the dog). Hence why alot of rescue groups and shelters did not want to adopt out a dog to a family with children under 10, let alone infants and more on the way possibly. So I will never just sit back and say "aw, sorry, good luck finding him a home". I think it's a disgrace that people make such light of rehoming pets that didn't ask to be put in the situations they are in anyway.
In addition, so much for advice anyway. Apparently people do what they want despite all the "advice". It's wasted breath and wasted time. This is exactly why alot of true animal lovers don't post on here anymore. They can't take this kind of stuff over and over again. Same story, different day and it's quite frustrating to see it all unfold every time.
You really don't get it, do you.
It is FINE for you to give advice when people ask for it. And of course it's fine for you to reprimand someone when they have done something you don't agree with. That's what opinions are and you're free to have as many as you want.
But Lauren came on here asking for advice and because you and Diana chose to make her feel so awful about her choice she (I am assuming) asked to have the post removed. So now what? Where will she go for advice? You made her feel SO unwelcome. You berated her for the decision she made knowing nothing about her home life. She clearly stated that the MAIN reason was the allergies but that the other factors weren't helping, and THAT was the reason that allergy shots weren't an option.
I'm willing to bet there are other pet owners who NEED to rehome their pets that won't come here asking for advice either.
And I'll be honest, IMO there is NO FRIGGIN WAY I'd choose to give my kid allergy shots because they were allergic to a PET. Not everyone feels that way, and that's fine, but not everyone feels the way YOU do either. Some people actively choose to do what is best for their kids and pets the way THEY see fit and she sure as hell wasn't asking for advice on what she did wrong that time and what she should do in the future.
Say what you will about not wanting to be involved in drama, but honestly what did YOU hope to gain by making someone feel worse than they already did?
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sunflowerjesss
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
In addition, so much for advice anyway. Apparently people do what they want despite all the "advice". It's wasted breath and wasted time.
But what advice did you even offer? All I saw were responses undermining her about whether or not her decision for re-homing a dog were warranted and justified. 
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
LB---
ITA!!
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
Sorry but the pets board isn't always going to be about giving "hugs". When it comes to rehoming an animal, just telling people what they want to hear isn't fair animals at all. And let the record be straight. This entire situation was FAR from only about allergies to pets. Many OTHER reasons were listed why the dog needs a new home. It's so much more than that, esp if you take the time to know more than just yesterday's thread. So your view of "helping" is not MY view of helping. And I am free to post just as you are.
The real issue here is about the TRAVESTY of adopting dogs when it's really just not an ideal time or just too much of a GAMBLE (for the dog). Hence why alot of rescue groups and shelters did not want to adopt out a dog to a family with children under 10, let alone infants and more on the way possibly. So I will never just sit back and say "aw, sorry, good luck finding him a home". I think it's a disgrace that people make such light of rehoming pets that didn't ask to be put in the situations they are in anyway.
In addition, so much for advice anyway. Apparently people do what they want despite all the "advice". It's wasted breath and wasted time. This is exactly why alot of true animal lovers don't post on here anymore. They can't take this kind of stuff over and over again. Same story, different day and it's quite frustrating to see it all unfold every time.
I was wrong yesterday when I said it was a glass house you were living in. It's a pulpit you're preaching from.
You can give advice, that's what this board is for, people seeking advice, that doesn't mean someone has to take it.
We all love our animals. No one has a crystal ball to know what life will bring, you can't plan for everything. You do the best you can with what you know at the time.
Get over yourself...or share your crystal ball.
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Goobster
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by headoverheels
You really don't get it, do you.
It is FINE for you to give advice when people ask for it. And of course it's fine for you to reprimand someone when they have done something you don't agree with. That's what opinions are and you're free to have as many as you want.
But Lauren came on here asking for advice and because you and Diana chose to make her feel so awful about her choice she (I am assuming) asked to have the post removed. So now what? Where will she go for advice? You made her feel SO unwelcome. You berated her for the decision she made knowing nothing about her home life. She clearly stated that the MAIN reason was the allergies but that the other factors weren't helping, and THAT was the reason that allergy shots weren't an option.
I'm willing to bet there are other pet owners who NEED to rehome their pets that won't come here asking for advice either.
And I'll be honest, IMO there is NO FRIGGIN WAY I'd choose to give my kid allergy shots because they were allergic to a PET. Not everyone feels that way, and that's fine, but not everyone feels the way YOU do either. Some people actively choose to do what is best for their kids and pets the way THEY see fit and she sure as hell wasn't asking for advice on what she did wrong that time and what she should do in the future.
Say what you will about not wanting to be involved in drama, but honestly what did YOU hope to gain by making someone feel worse than they already did?
Yes. I absolutely DO get it.
Also, I know you find nothing wrong with rehoming pets since in past dicussions you admitted you DO feel it's "just a dog".
Never suggested she keep the dog or give her son allergy shots. Not once. Don't think that, so don't put words into my mouth.
The pets board is about much more than coming on to find a home for your dog. Much more than that. And as a animal lover, it's extremely discourgaging to see people come here just to find a home for their pet (not saying Sweettooth did that though). Too many times we see the dissention of a pet on here. People post their questions about getting a dog. They get the dog often despite what was said in the discussion. Then you see a few more posts about the dog and they drop off the board. Not long after you see posts asking to rehome the pet. I have seen this too many times that I can't just reply with "good luck finding a home for your dog".
The pets board is not the charity board or the freebie board or the buy swap and sell thread where people can just come to find a home for their pet. In addition, not saying people should not post that on here. I do think they can BUT they do need to understand they may not hear every reply that is to their liking.
As I stated above, the only thing I requested of her was to keep her committment to him and no matter how tough it gets finding him a home, to not resort to going back to the shelter and not resort to Craigslist. That's what I said. If I made her feel unwelcome in those statements, all I can say is I am not going to tip toe around NUMEROUS discussion we have had on here in the past. She if ANYONE would understand.
You can point fingers at me all you like. But I told Sweettooth much of the same as she would have told someone else. Never suggested she keep the dog and make her DS ill. Not once. And never told her to keep him no matter what the reasons were.
I could go back and forth with you all day. I see it as I see it and you see it as you see it.
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Goobster
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
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In addition, so much for advice anyway. Apparently people do what they want despite all the "advice". It's wasted breath and wasted time.
But what advice did you even offer? All I saw were responses undermining her about whether or not her decision for re-homing a dog were warranted and justified.
My advice to her was to please always remember what she has said in the past about rehomed animals, giving back to shelters and Craigslist. And that even if the going gets tough finding him a home, to please not resort to those very things that you yourself always discussed with us. We have always discussed that on here and I did not see HER thread as ANY different just because SHE was the one posting it. I would still say the same thing to her that I would to anyone or she would have to ANYONE who posted from before getting the dog, to when they got the dog, to when they then have to rehome the dog.
I want to make a note that the "debate" or the "drama" ensued with the comments and and replies to MY POSTS. THAT was WHAT fueled the debate. Not my posts and Sweetooths replies to my posts. So let's also make that clear.
So this is how I see it. You can see it as drama and I see it as a discussion that has been a longstanding one in our history on pets.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
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You can give advice, that's what this board is for, people seeking advice, that doesn't mean someone has to take it.
Get over yourself...or share your crystal ball.
Not expecting everyone take the advice. In fact I know many people won't, especially when people want a pet and don't want to look at ALL the possibilities. But I will still say I think it's unfair to expect people to dish out advice, but then only reply when they have something to say that the OP wants to hear when it comes to the resulting rehoming of a pet.
And as for the crystal ball, this isn't ME and my magical crystal ball. It's history and common sense that says babies and adopting dogs are a bad mix.
Many shelters would not even consider them for adoptable dogs due to young children and babies in the home. This isn't MY rule or MY forecast of the future. Exactly why there was that whole debacle with Ellen Degeneres giving away a dog she adopted to a friend of hers with young children. The shelter did not want the dog to be placed in a family WITH children for reasons such as this (allergies, lack of time, possible aggression towards children, children harming the dog accidentally, etc). So it's no crystal ball of mine that I am looking at.
It's pretty easy to see the future when it comes to babies and dogs and this was a discussion we DID have on here. So don't make this out to be something I came up with on my own or that I am being simply preachy about.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
It's pretty easy to see the future when it comes to babies and dogs and this was a discussion we DID have on here. So don't make this out to be something I came up with on my own or that I am being simply preachy about.
Plenty of people have dogs and children..and cats for that matter and there are no issues, I'm sure plenty on this board as well. My SIL/BIL have 3 kids and 2 dogs, another friend, 2 kids, 3 dogs, another friend 2 dogs, 2 kids. All dogs were rescues, adopted after the kids at different points in time. There are no allergies.
And yesterday, the thread that was pulled, you were being preachy. The issue is not whether Lauren should try to rehome the dog. My issue is your attutide. If you are going to preach from the pulpit, own it all. You were trying to hide behind "I don't mean to start drama" - which was the first thing you wrote - but continued on, in several posts, to lecture, berate and throw guilt at Lauren's feet. How could you NOT think that you were starting drama? Call the spade a spade.
I will own my part, yes, I continued the "drama" by basically telling you I thought your treatment of Lauren SUX.
And what you don't know is that a few of us are really trying to help Lauren find Bowie a good home, not by getting him into a shelter or a rescue but by reaching out to people in the rescue community find someone to adopt him. We're helping a friend who asked for it.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
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Posted by Goobster
It's pretty easy to see the future when it comes to babies and dogs and this was a discussion we DID have on here. So don't make this out to be something I came up with on my own or that I am being simply preachy about.
Plenty of people have dogs and children..and cats for that matter and there are no issues, I'm sure plenty on this board as well. My SIL/BIL have 3 kids and 2 dogs, another friend, 2 kids, 3 dogs, another friend 2 dogs, 2 kids. All dogs were rescues, adopted after the kids at different points in time. There are no allergies.
And yesterday, the thread that was pulled, you were being preachy. The issue is not whether Lauren should try to rehome the dog. My issue is your attutide. If you are going to preach from the pulpit, own it all. You were trying to hide behind "I don't mean to start drama" - which was the first thing you wrote - but continued on, in several posts, to lecture, berate and throw guilt at Lauren's feet. How could you NOT think that you were starting drama? Call the spade a spade.
I will own my part, yes, I continued the "drama" by basically telling you I thought your treatment of Lauren SUX.
And what you don't know is that a few of us are really trying to help Lauren find Bowie a good home, not by getting him into a shelter or a rescue but by reaching out to people in the rescue community find someone to adopt him. We're helping a friend who asked for it.
I am sure you are trying to help. I already assumed that you might, since you do rescue work.
And I know plenty of people have dogs and babies. I am one of them.
And I still stand by the fact that I did NOT mean drama. I meant to discuss with Lauren that even if the going got tough, to please not resort to Craigslist and the shelter. And that's the truth. Drama to me is just for fun. Not one thing I said was meant for pure excitement or fun. So I stand by my statement. And I am sorry you see it as I was being mean. I don't see it that way. I was saying all the same things that I have said in the past to others and talking frankly, instead of saying the clique phrases of "try Craigslist" or "do what you have to do", etc. And saying all the same things that Lauren has been in similar discussions with me on, when it came to others.
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headoverheels
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by Goobster
But I will still say I think it's unfair to expect people to dish out advice, but then only reply when they have something to say that the OP wants to hear when it comes to the resulting rehoming of a pet.
This had NOTHING to do with what the OP "wanted" to hear. She had expectations of peple offering HELP on the BEST way to rehome her dog. There was NO question about what she had done in the past, or what she should do in the future with regards to pets. In berating her you FAILED to help and you FAILED to answer her question.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by jilliibabii
Ah now I feel bad, I just had to comment on it, even though I've been sitting on my hands. Though I didn't even mention the original post! All I said was allergies can come and go in life. I know I personally had severe allergies as a kid, then they went away, and now they're back.
It was not you AT ALL I think you really were just posting to be helpful!
Thanks. I really was! I felt bad but just didn't want to add fuel to the flame. But it seemed like my post threw it over the edge. Oops?
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Goobster
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Goobster
But I will still say I think it's unfair to expect people to dish out advice, but then only reply when they have something to say that the OP wants to hear when it comes to the resulting rehoming of a pet.
This had NOTHING to do with what the OP "wanted" to hear. She had expectations of peple offering HELP on the BEST way to rehome her dog. There was NO question about what she had done in the past, or what she should do in the future with regards to pets. In berating her you FAILED to help and you FAILED to answer her question.
It's a message board. You will not always get the answers or replies you are looking for. Rehoming posts will never just simply be that. Just not a casual topic. Sorry.
In addition, you expect people to just offer support from start to finish, from before the dog to after the dog is rehomed, but just keep their lips zipped when they may have something to say that may not simply be an "answer" to the question?
Sorry but you can't involve people over time, esp with hearts and emotion, but then expect them not to have thoughts or feelings on the situation. It's simply unrealistic. But that's right. This is coming from a person who has said in the past to others posts that you do think it's "just a dog".
I see it clearly. Oh yes I do.
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Re: Wow, that's outstanding
and you posting this is doing what may I ask????? CAUSING MORE DRAMA! way to go - here's some of those claps for you
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