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MissJones
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Yoga too religious for schools?
One more thing...don't we want our children to experience as much as they can, to think for themselves, to not be confined to what a group of men dictate? I'm THRILLED that schools offer yoga. Way to be progressive and forward thinking.
Trust me, I'm old fashioned in many ways but at the same time, we can't be so narrow minded to believe that the church is always right. That, to me, is scary. What would Jesus do?
And as a teacher, I periodically lead my class in yoga exercises. The kids love them. There is no religious aspect to it. AT ALL! It's a break from sitting at their desks and working. They love it. I can only hope my son's school offers yoga.
I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend anyone. Everyone is entitled to his or her own POV.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by peanutbutter2
I don't really think-at the core-that either side of this debate is ridiculous. If people do not wish to participate in yoga because it's not aligned with their religion beliefs, then I don't see what the big issue is.
On a side note...I am not sure why Catholicism always becomes the symbol of all Christianity in these types of conversations. The Roman Catholic Church is not the only entity in the world that has some controversial beliefs.
Because it seems some people love to bash the Catholic Church any chance they get. I'm pretty sure most of us Catholics are aware of the controversial beliefs/thoughts of the church. That does not mean that every Catholic on earth agrees with them though. I live in Brooklyn and in certain religious neighborhoods around here I see some pretty controversial religious beliefs/customs, many of which I'm sure most of us would find archaic to say the least, but I don't think anyone would bash an entire faith/religion based on that. At least I know I would not.
Back to the OP though, I can see how yoga has a spiritual/faith based aspect to it, as many things do, but I don't have a problem with it being offered in schools. As a Catholic who has practiced yoga, it does not bother me or affect me personally but I can see how it might not be comfortable for some. I actually find yoga to be very relaxing and am looking forward to starting up again soon.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by itsbabytime
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I think Yoga can have a religious aspect to it, but I do not personally feel that it is against my religious beliefs in the way that I practice it or in the way that children would practice it in schools.
However, I think it is pretty RUDE and OBNOXIOUS that someone clearly stated how it could be interpreted that way in a very respectful and clear manner and that person is being mocked.
Yes, there is an obvious majority sentiment on this topic, but that does not mean that people should be discouraged from posting their opposing views as long as it is done in a respectful manner.
Thank you for this. That is why I am done with this thread. Nothing posted on this thread is fact - it's all opinion- and honestly, no one on this thread can say if my opinion is any more right or wrong than theirs. Honestly, I don't care - tried to share and no one wants to hear it so I won't bother. These boards have really become ridiculous- they are dominated by certain viewpoints on every subject that actually don't even match the ones I encounter in real life.
Religion is all opinion. It's all faith. There are ZERO facts in religion.
I really feel like LIF has a tendency to find the one black sheep and attack it, but I do NOT feel that was the case here. Nobody is mocking you. I asked what information you were reading and most other people asked you questions about why you felt this way or about the priest spouting off this info to you.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by halfbaked
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by GioiaMia
I think Yoga can have a religious aspect to it, but I do not personally feel that it is against my religious beliefs in the way that I practice it or in the way that children would practice it in schools.
However, I think it is pretty RUDE and OBNOXIOUS that someone clearly stated how it could be interpreted that way in a very respectful and clear manner and that person is being mocked.
Yes, there is an obvious majority sentiment on this topic, but that does not mean that people should be discouraged from posting their opposing views as long as it is done in a respectful manner.
Thank you for this. That is why I am done with this thread. Nothing posted on this thread is fact - it's all opinion- and honestly, no one on this thread can say if my opinion is any more right or wrong than theirs. Honestly, I don't care - tried to share and no one wants to hear it so I won't bother. These boards have really become ridiculous- they are dominated by certain viewpoints on every subject that actually don't even match the ones I encounter in real life.
Religion is all opinion. It's all faith. There are ZERO facts in religion.
I really feel like LIF has a tendency to find the one black sheep and attack it, but I do NOT feel that was the case here. Nobody is mocking you. I asked what information you were reading and most other people asked you questions about why you felt this way or about the priest spouting off this info to you.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by GioiaMia
I think Yoga can have a religious aspect to it, but I do not personally feel that it is against my religious beliefs in the way that I practice it or in the way that children would practice it in schools.
However, I think it is pretty RUDE and OBNOXIOUS that someone clearly stated how it could be interpreted that way in a very respectful and clear manner and that person is being mocked.
Yes, there is an obvious majority sentiment on this topic, but that does not mean that people should be discouraged from posting their opposing views as long as it is done in a respectful manner.
Thank you for this. That is why I am done with this thread. Nothing posted on this thread is fact - it's all opinion- and honestly, no one on this thread can say if my opinion is any more right or wrong than theirs. Honestly, I don't care - tried to share and no one wants to hear it so I won't bother. These boards have really become ridiculous- they are dominated by certain viewpoints on every subject that actually don't even match the ones I encounter in real life.
It'sbabytime: someone else asked you, but I didn't see a response. Do your kids participate in Halloween? Because the Catholic church is technically against that too. You shouldn't be putting up a Christmas tree, that is a Pagan custom. Just wondering if you still do those things that are against your religion. Where is the line? Yoga crosses it? I'm really interested.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by GioiaMia
I think Yoga can have a religious aspect to it, but I do not personally feel that it is against my religious beliefs in the way that I practice it or in the way that children would practice it in schools.
However, I think it is pretty RUDE and OBNOXIOUS that someone clearly stated how it could be interpreted that way in a very respectful and clear manner and that person is being mocked.
Yes, there is an obvious majority sentiment on this topic, but that does not mean that people should be discouraged from posting their opposing views as long as it is done in a respectful manner.
Thank you for this. That is why I am done with this thread. Nothing posted on this thread is fact - it's all opinion- and honestly, no one on this thread can say if my opinion is any more right or wrong than theirs. Honestly, I don't care - tried to share and no one wants to hear it so I won't bother. These boards have really become ridiculous- they are dominated by certain viewpoints on every subject that actually don't even match the ones I encounter in real life.
It'sbabytime: someone else asked you, but I didn't see a response. Do your kids participate in Halloween? Because the Catholic church is technically against that too. You shouldn't be putting up a Christmas tree, that is a Pagan custom. Just wondering if you still do those things that are against your religion. Where is the line? Yoga crosses it? I'm really interested.
Yea I was waiting for the answer to that question too??
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peanutbutter2
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
This is where all the Politically Correctness has gotten us. Ban anything that could anyone could perceive the slightest offence. The door was openned a LONG time ago and I don't see it closing any time soon.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by peanutbutter2
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
Thank you!!!!!! I have to admit I'm a little shocked to read what so many people think about Catholics. I guess I'm naive...I grew up in a neighborhood in BKLYN that was mainly Catholic, I went to Catholic Middle School, and most of my friends I made when I moved to LI were also Catholic. When I went to Catholic school, we always celebrated Halloween and even had the next day off bc it's All Souls Day.
When I was student teaching was the only time I've ever encountered people who were anti Halloween, and they were not a Catholic family, but an Evangelical Christian family who were offended by Halloween bc they thought it promoted Devil worship or something. Catholic's do not believe this!
And yes, we have a Christmas tree at Christmas bc it's tradition, but we also put up a Nativity because we are religious.
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peanutbutter2
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by peanutbutter2
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
Thank you!!!!!! I have to admit I'm a little shocked to read what so many people think about Catholics. I guess I'm naive...I grew up in a neighborhood in BKLYN that was mainly Catholic, I went to Catholic Middle School, and most of my friends I made when I moved to LI were also Catholic. When I went to Catholic school, we always celebrated Halloween and even had the next day off bc it's All Souls Day.
When I was student teaching was the only time I've ever encountered people who were anti Halloween, and they were not a Catholic family, but an Evangelical Christian family who were offended by Halloween bc they thought it promoted Devil worship or something. Catholic's do not believe this!
And yes, we have a Christmas tree at Christmas bc it's tradition, but we also put up a Nativity because we are religious.
Yah-I agree and can relate to a lot of what you said. I'm not overly religious, but I do practice my faith in my own way. I'm saddened by some of the church's teachings, but I'm also saddened by the assumptions made about the faith. It's a lose-lose situation.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
So I looked up the actual definition of Yoga 
yo·ga
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a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation.
I did not realize it was associated with Hinduism, though I do see Yoga as a spiritual relaxation.
I am Catholic but I do not find practicing Yoga interfers with being a Catholic, that said considering the fact that is, by definition a Hindu discipline then yes I could see how one of a faith other than Hinduism might feel it does not align with their beliefs.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
The fact that so few people on here knew that yoga is based on hindu philosophy, says to me that the western idea of "yoga" has nothing to do with religion.
The poses (asana's) all have sanskrit names. Most poses represent one or several hindu gods.
Hunaman is the monkey god and he is represented by leg splits. The warrior poses are meant to represent a passage in the Bhagavad-Gita, - a fight between Krishna and Arjuna, set on a battlefield...and so on and so forth.
So is yoga innately religious? Yes, but only if you are practicing it that way and everyones yoga practice is a very personal thing.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by DiamondGirl
So I looked up the actual definition of Yoga
yo·ga
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noun
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a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation.
I did not realize it was associated with Hinduism, though I do see Yoga as a spiritual relaxation.
I am Catholic but I do not find practicing Yoga interfers with being a Catholic, that said considering the fact that is, by definition a Hindu discipline then yes I could see how one of a faith other than Hinduism might feel it does not align with their beliefs.
These are my exact thoughts as well. I do not immediately associate "yoga" with "religion", thought I know it is rooted in Hinduism. I agree that if you practice yoga as PART of religion, it's context is completely different than if you practice yoga as a form of relaxation. I do not think yoga in school is in any way crossing the line, because they are not teaching it as religion.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by peanutbutter2
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
Pope Benedict was quoted as saying that Halloween is anti-Christian. That said I am Catholic an I have always celebrated Halloween. My point is that just because the "head" of the church says something does not mean that I cannot make up my own mind about how I feel about individual issues. I "loosely" follow Catholicism - there are practices that I think are outdated or nonsensical IMO.
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peanutbutter2
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by peanutbutter2
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
Pope Benedict was quoted as saying that Halloween is anti-Christian. That said I am Catholic an I have always celebrated Halloween. My point is that just because the "head" of the church says something does not mean that I cannot make up my own mind about how I feel about individual issues. I "loosely" follow Catholicism - there are practices that I think are outdated or nonsensical IMO.
Pope Benedict did not say that. A priest named Father Canals did. This is really what I am talking about...the media portrayed the Pope as saying that when he did not.
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Re: Yoga too religious for schools?
Posted by peanutbutter2
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by peanutbutter2
For those who are saying the Catholic Church is against Halloween...it isn't.
I am sure there are individuals who are against Halloween in this world. A portion of them are probably Catholic, and a portion of them are likely from other faiths or no faith at all.
However, the Catholic Church is not "against" Halloween. There isn't an official teaching "against" yoga either or anything of that nature.
In 14 years of Catholic schooling, Halloween parties and parades, as well as yoga lessons in gym, were abundant for me.
Pope Benedict was quoted as saying that Halloween is anti-Christian. That said I am Catholic an I have always celebrated Halloween. My point is that just because the "head" of the church says something does not mean that I cannot make up my own mind about how I feel about individual issues. I "loosely" follow Catholicism - there are practices that I think are outdated or nonsensical IMO.
Pope Benedict did not say that. A priest named Father Canals did. This is really what I am talking about...the media portrayed the Pope as saying that when he did not.
Ok but it was in an article from the Vatican through the Vatican's official newspaper sanctioned by the Vatican/ Holy See
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The fact that so few people on here knew that yoga is based on hindu philosophy, says to me that the western idea of "yoga" has nothing to do with religion.
The poses (asana's) all have sanskrit names. Most poses represent one or several hindu gods.
Hunaman is the monkey god and he is represented by leg splits. The warrior poses are meant to represent a passage in the Bhagavad-Gita, - a fight between Krishna and Arjuna, set on a battlefield...and so on and so forth.
So is yoga innately religious? Yes, but only if you are practicing it that way and everyones yoga practice is a very personal thing.
I agree. While I do also feel that each person's practice and especially style of yoga is a very personal thing, more often than not, I see yoga, at least here on Long Island, as just something "trendy" (I think that's the word I'm looking for) that people are often just checking out, or incorporating into their workout routine from time to time. It's not really anything more than that.
I know if you go to the website of the studio I go to, it specifically says it's adapted to the Western lifestyle/practitioner. See below:
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Yoga is for everyone!
Yoga is not just for the super flexible as is commonly thought. The person looking to get in shape will notice dramatic improvement, while the seasoned athlete will always be challenged as well and find enhanced endurance and increased performance.
This class is created specifically for the Western person and our cultural problems of job stress, overeating, bad posture, and hectic lifestyles. Some of the benefits of this yoga include:
Weight loss
Detoxification
Stress reduction
cardiovascular improvement
arthritic alleviation
improve strength and flexibility
help back pain
improve immune function
breathing problems, asthma
digestive and glandular disorders
normalize blood pressure
create mental clarity
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As an aside, I know there's been recent controversy about the style of yoga I practice because the "founder" from what I've read was charged with rape. A lot of people also do not agree with him for a lot of other reasons too.
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