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LittleDiva
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I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Numbers are higher than ever and seems like restrictions are easing up everywhere.
How can people not think this is political??
Convince me it’s not political because I really don’t want it to be because it infuriates me.
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CookiePuss
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
I think in some ways, it is political. I also think it always has had some political spin. How can it not. Look at De Blasio and Cuomo. They go back and forth with each other and I want them to just pull it out so they can see for themselves who is bigger.
But, on the other hand, we know a lot more know about the virus and how it spreads. We know now that the numbers are rising because of small, indoor gatherings not because I went to Main Street and went to the stationary store. So we are seeing those restrictions lifting.
We also have more precautionary and preventative measures in place which will allow for the opening of more and less restrictions.
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| Posted 1/27/21 3:42 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by CookiePuss
But, on the other hand, we know a lot more know about the virus and how it spreads. We know now that the numbers are rising because of small, indoor gatherings not because I went to Main Street and went to the stationary store. So we are seeing those restrictions lifting.
They knew when they shut down indoor dining in NYC that it wasn't spreading in restaurants. Cuomo even said it in his briefing. Yet he still shut them down.
It made zero sense then and it makes zero sense now
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JennP
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Numbers aren't higher than ever. They are trending downward after a post holiday surge, as was expected.
What restrictions have been lifted?
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| Posted 1/27/21 3:54 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by JennP
Numbers aren't higher than ever. They are trending downward after a post holiday surge, as was expected.
What restrictions have been lifted?
Front page of Newsday today said Cuomo lifted restrictions in Yellow zones for example.
Restaurants in yellow zones of Long Island for example were forced to be no more than 4 at table and 25% capacity- while the rest of LI was 10 to a table max and 50% capacity.
He's also considering reopening indoor dining in NYC at 25% capacity
Cuomo lifts hot spot restrictions
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:02 PM |
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LittleDiva
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Numbers aren't higher than ever. They are trending downward after a post holiday surge, as was expected.
What restrictions have been lifted?
Front page of Newsday today said Cuomo lifted restrictions in Yellow zones for example.
Restaurants in yellow zones of Long Island for example were forced to be no more than 4 at table and 25% capacity- while the rest of LI was 10 to a table max and 50% capacity
California just recently lifted a ton of restrictions. Just to name one state other than NY
NY is also suddenly allowing HIGH risk sports?!
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:03 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
It's the chart from worldometer, not Johns Hopkins, but the numbers are close to each other, and I like the charts there better.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Johns Hopkins has a similar trend line.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases Image Attachment(s):
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:04 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
If politicians implemented NO restrictions and then COVID spread like an uncontrolled wildfire people would b!tch incessantly that not enough was done to protect the public health.
When politicians did implement restrictions to protect the public health people b!tched incessantly because their "rights"  were being infringed upon and there is NO point in any of this. (It's a hoax that will magically disappear, remember???)
THEY CANNOT WIN.
I am by NO means defending politicians but it's very clear that NOBODY will be happy one way or the other. You can't have it both ways. You cannot complain about restrictions that are meant to curtail the spread but then complain about the spread and not be on board with any safety restrictions. People don't want to wear masks, they don't want to social distance, they don't want things closed, they don't want the vaccine BUT then they whine and complain that life isn't normal. Ummmm. 
EVERYTHING is political where the public is concerned but TPTB are doing what they think is best (for the most part) as well as protecting their own a$$es in case things get worse. They don't want blood on their hands so they are taking maybe more precaution that needed at times.
If EVERYONE stopped acting like a bunch of self entitled a$$holes last year and if there was a NATIONAL plan for dealing with the pandemic from day 1 then we wouldn't be where we are today. We did this to ourselves.
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Diane
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
I think it is totally political, like someone mentioned in NY now high risk sports such as wrestling can take place?
I know many bars are trying to lift the 10pm curfew before Superbowl.
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:14 PM |
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JennP
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Numbers aren't higher than ever. They are trending downward after a post holiday surge, as was expected.
What restrictions have been lifted?
Front page of Newsday today said Cuomo lifted restrictions in Yellow zones for example.
Restaurants in yellow zones of Long Island for example were forced to be no more than 4 at table and 25% capacity- while the rest of LI was 10 to a table max and 50% capacity.
He's also considering reopening indoor dining in NYC at 25% capacity
Cuomo lifts hot spot restrictions
Thanks, didn't realize.
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:38 PM |
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by Hofstra26
If politicians implemented NO restrictions and then COVID spread like an uncontrolled wildfire people would b!tch incessantly that not enough was done to protect the public health.
When politicians did implement restrictions to protect the public health people b!tched incessantly because their "rights" were being infringed upon and there is NO point in any of this. (It's a hoax that will magically disappear, remember???)
THEY CANNOT WIN.
I am by NO means defending politicians but it's very clear that NOBODY will be happy one way or the other. You can't have it both ways. You cannot complain about restrictions that are meant to curtail the spread but then complain about the spread and not be on board with any safety restrictions. People don't want to wear masks, they don't want to social distance, they don't want things closed, they don't want the vaccine BUT then they whine and complain that life isn't normal. Ummmm.
EVERYTHING is political where the public is concerned but TPTB are doing what they think is best (for the most part) as well as protecting their own a$$es in case things get worse. They don't want blood on their hands so they are taking maybe more precaution that needed at times.
If EVERYONE stopped acting like a bunch of self entitled a$$holes last year and if there was a NATIONAL plan for dealing with the pandemic from day 1 then we wouldn't be where we are today. We did this to ourselves.
Perfectly said.
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| Posted 1/27/21 4:41 PM |
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Mill188
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
It's absolutely political. On all sides.
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DancinBarefoot
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I would like to think it’s not political....but....
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
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Naturalmama
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
 
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NervousNell
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
That sounds good and all, but back in the late fall, when Cuomo decided to shut down indoor dining in NYC, he already knew more than in March. He specifically said, very few Covid cases have been traced to indoor dining, most are due to gatherings in private homes. BUT we are still going to shut it all down. Sorry, too bad.
And it's STILL shut down.... with zero evidence behind why.
And you can cross the street in Queens and be in Nassau county and dine indoors. So how did that make any sense whatsoever other than to cripple restaurant owners who had the unfortunate luck of being within the NYC border.
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Naturalmama
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
That sounds good and all, but back in the late fall, when Cuomo decided to shut down indoor dining in NYC, he already knew more than in March. He specifically said, very few Covid cases have been traced to indoor dining, most are due to gatherings in private homes. BUT we are still going to shut it all down. Sorry, too bad.
And it's STILL shut down.... with zero evidence behind why.
And you can cross the street in Queens and be in Nassau county and dine indoors. So how did that make any sense whatsoever other than to cripple restaurant owners who had the unfortunate luck of being within the NYC border.
I agree with this too. While I think the loosening of restrictions is a direct result of us knowing more, I also think the whole NYC dining fiasco is a direct result of Cuomo being an asshole.
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
He was and still is getting a lot of lawsuits. I wonder if that also helped changed his mind.
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NervousNell
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by soontobemommyof2
He was and still is getting a lot of lawsuits. I wonder if that also helped changed his mind.
It certainly does. Gym owners put a huge class action lawsuit against the state back in the summer and bam! Next day the gyms are suddenly safe to open.
NYC restaurants had over 200 restaurant owners bring a huge lawsuit on the state in the summer as well and suddenly he allowed them to open...at 25% capacity which is basically not enough to break even, but it was clear the timing was all about the lawsuits.
You want something done- sue!
Suddenly "safety concerns" are out the window.
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JennP
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
That sounds good and all, but back in the late fall, when Cuomo decided to shut down indoor dining in NYC, he already knew more than in March. He specifically said, very few Covid cases have been traced to indoor dining, most are due to gatherings in private homes. BUT we are still going to shut it all down. Sorry, too bad.
And it's STILL shut down.... with zero evidence behind why.
And you can cross the street in Queens and be in Nassau county and dine indoors. So how did that make any sense whatsoever other than to cripple restaurant owners who had the unfortunate luck of being within the NYC border.
I overall agree with Dancinbarefoot and Hofstra but I also agree that the way indoor dining was handled in the city didn't make a lot of sense unless I missed something.
I did just read that they are looking to open it up again.
I am mildly curious about the studies on indoor dining and where they were done - NY overall, just the city, just LI, etc. A study on restaurants and the spread in New York State in general doesn't seem useful because of the density differences in rural v. urban v. suburban.
I've been to a ton of NYC restaurants - lived, worked, and went to school there - and at a lot of them everyone is just so on top of each other. You can hear entire conversations. Reach for a stranger's drink if you wanted. So while I do get that it sucks for a restaurant on the wrong side of Jericho Turnpike in Floral Park, the standards for the city should in fact be based on the correct data even if that means the rules are different.
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by soontobemommyof2
He was and still is getting a lot of lawsuits. I wonder if that also helped changed his mind.
The NYS amateur hockey league sued. That is part of the reason high risk sports are allowed
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NervousNell
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Re: I would like to think it’s not political....but....
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I think to an extent everything is political. I happen to like Cuomo, but sometimes he makes me want to scream and smack him upside the head. Having said that, IMHO the reason things are opening now vs. a year ago has a LOT to do with knowledge. In March 2020 the public information was extremely limited. I really believe the governors (all of them) thought this would be short lived. As time has gone on they have tried to follow the information they are given. In a lot of ways Covid has been like trying to nail jello to tree, or shoot fish in a barrel. Now nearly a year later something has to give. We have more information. We’ve seen what happens in professional high contact sports enough to extrapolate what will happen with HS kids. We’ve seen that closing restaurants after opening them didn’t further slow spread - it just drove people to engage in risky behavior in the privacy of their own homes. So, is it political, or is it based on the currently available information? To the extent that withholding or releasing information is political - so too go the decisions.
That sounds good and all, but back in the late fall, when Cuomo decided to shut down indoor dining in NYC, he already knew more than in March. He specifically said, very few Covid cases have been traced to indoor dining, most are due to gatherings in private homes. BUT we are still going to shut it all down. Sorry, too bad.
And it's STILL shut down.... with zero evidence behind why.
And you can cross the street in Queens and be in Nassau county and dine indoors. So how did that make any sense whatsoever other than to cripple restaurant owners who had the unfortunate luck of being within the NYC border.
I overall agree with Dancinbarefoot and Hofstra but I also agree that the way indoor dining was handled in the city didn't make a lot of sense unless I missed something.
I did just read that they are looking to open it up again.
I am mildly curious about the studies on indoor dining and where they were done - NY overall, just the city, just LI, etc. A study on restaurants and the spread in New York State in general doesn't seem useful because of the density differences in rural v. urban v. suburban.
I've been to a ton of NYC restaurants - lived, worked, and went to school there - and at a lot of them everyone is just so on top of each other. You can hear entire conversations. Reach for a stranger's drink if you wanted. So while I do get that it sucks for a restaurant on the wrong side of Jericho Turnpike in Floral Park, the standards for the city should in fact be based on the correct data even if that means the rules are different.
I agree that NYC restaurants are another animal in comparison to other areas however that is why they had them reduced to 25% capacity for the short time period there were allowed to have indoor dining. Long Island and other areas were at 50%. 25% capacity should be enough to distance the tables and diners at 6ft as per the regulations.
The fact that 25% capacity is pretty much as good as being closed because it's very hard to even break even in NYC at that capacity with the outrageous overhead there is another story.
But again, nothing really makes sennse
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