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Mrs213
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Universal basic income pilot program
Just read they are testing this out in upstate NY. I couldnt figure out how to link the article
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GoldenRod
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
There's a bunch of programs around the country, but here's one article about the one happening in NY.
https://www.syracuse.com/state/2021/06/upstate-ny-county-site-of-experimental-universal-basic-income-program.html
The county is working with the Center for Guaranteed Income Research at the University of Pennsylvania on a pilot program funded by private donations. One hundred households making less than $46,900 a year in May began receiving a $500 payment each month for a year. Recipients of the money can spend it as they wish, but will be asked to participate in periodic surveys about their physical health, mental health and employment status.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:29 AM |
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BFNY516
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Universal basic income pilot program
Great idea. I think I posted about this before too.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:41 AM |
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Private Donations?
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| Posted 6/22/21 12:18 PM |
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Mrs213
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
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Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
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| Posted 6/22/21 1:49 PM |
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
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Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
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| Posted 6/22/21 2:09 PM |
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Mrs213
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
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Posted by Mrs213
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Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
I would think that if it were implemented on a large scale it would be government funded
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| Posted 6/22/21 3:14 PM |
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BFNY516
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by Mrs213
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Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
I would think that if it were implemented on a large scale it would be government funded
That’s the goal. They believe many Republican politicians will probably be signing on soon in the Mayor Pilot Program. They happen to represent areas (red ones) where the poverty is the highest.
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
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Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
I would think that if it were implemented on a large scale it would be government funded
Probably. More money our kids and their kids and their kids will owe.
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BFNY516
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Mrs213
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Posted by Mrs213
Posted by windyweather21
Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
I would think that if it were implemented on a large scale it would be government funded
Probably. More money our kids and their kids and their kids will owe.
Their goal is have the war budget and military spending decreased and proper taxing of the super wealthy as a pathway to UBI.
To be clear because everyone gets up in arms and thinks taxing the rich means them - Super wealthy meaning the 1%, NOT Karen McKaren who drives a Suburban and lives in Centerport and has a husband who is a lawyer and their income is 600k.
They mean the super wealthy, like Bezos.
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Posted by BFNY516
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Posted by Mrs213
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by windyweather21
Private Donations?
The article states the pilot program was funded by private donations. What is it that you are questioning about this?
Just find that interesting. That would never last to continue a program like that.
I would think that if it were implemented on a large scale it would be government funded
Probably. More money our kids and their kids and their kids will owe.
Their goal is have the war budget and military spending decreased and proper taxing of the super wealthy as a pathway to UBI.
To be clear because everyone gets up in arms and thinks taxing the rich means them - Super wealthy meaning the 1%, NOT Karen McKaren who drives a Suburban and lives in Centerport and has a husband who is a lawyer and their income is 600k.
They mean the super wealthy, like Bezos.
I agree with the taxing of the rich but for the military, it depends on what they would cut.
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LittleDiva
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Universal basic income pilot program
I’m not sure what qualifies, but at that income level do you receive other assistance? Like food stamps? WIC? Free education?
Only asking because I’m not sold on just handing over money with no ‘rules’. We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
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Posted by LittleDiva
I’m not sure what qualifies, but at that income level do you receive other assistance? Like food stamps? WIC? Free education?
Only asking because I’m not sold on just handing over money with no ‘rules’. We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
Exactly. Handing out money doesn’t help in the long run. $46,000 is over $20/hour so for many they probably already have a college education. How about lowering taxes in NYS so people can survive. Give them resources that will help them maybe have both parents work so they can get on their feet better.
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KarenK122
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by LittleDiva
I’m not sure what qualifies, but at that income level do you receive other assistance? Like food stamps? WIC? Free education?
Only asking because I’m not sold on just handing over money with no ‘rules’. We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
100% agree. I am totally against giving out money for free. Give people the tools and supports to make their lives better. Handing over money is just a bandaid.
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BFNY516
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Universal basic income pilot program
One independent review of a pilot program in California found that at the start, 28 percent of people who got the money had full-time jobs. After one year, 40 percent did.
It’s also improved education, mental health, and decreased addiction and crime.
It think it’s too easy to call extra money a bad idea when...you are not in poverty.
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KarenK122
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by BFNY516
One independent review of a pilot program in California found that at the start, 28 percent of people who got the money had full-time jobs. After one year, 40 percent did.
It’s also improved education, mental health, and decreased addiction and crime.
It think it’s too easy to call extra money a bad idea when...you are not in poverty.
It really bothers me when people are always saying well you are not in poverty so you don't understand.
$47,000 is not near the poverty level.
My parents, both worked two jobs growing up. I worked 2 jobs and put myself through college. My first husband worked two jobs. Did we have everything our neighbors did...absolutely not. Was getting pizza once a month a special family treat, yes because we couldn't afford it any more than that. Working hard is not a bad thing. It taught us not to be so materialistic and to strive to do better.
Give people the opportunity to increase their income by providing the supports and services they need. That is what helps in the future, not handouts.
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
One independent review of a pilot program in California found that at the start, 28 percent of people who got the money had full-time jobs. After one year, 40 percent did.
It’s also improved education, mental health, and decreased addiction and crime.
It think it’s too easy to call extra money a bad idea when...you are not in poverty.
It really bothers me when people are always saying well you are not in poverty so you don't understand.
$47,000 is not near the poverty level.
My parents, both worked two jobs growing up. I worked 2 jobs and put myself through college. My first husband worked two jobs. Did we have everything our neighbors did...absolutely not. Was getting pizza once a month a special family treat, yes because we couldn't afford it any more than that. Working hard is not a bad thing. It taught us not to be so materialistic and to strive to do better.
Give people the opportunity to increase their income by providing the supports and services they need. That is what helps in the future, not handouts.
I don’t think 47k isn’t enough to live on with a family of 4 in most parts of the country, especially if medical/dental coverage isn’t provided... and especially if it’s gross income and not net... there’s also the cost of housing that’s increases greatly.
Food banks on LI are providing so much for people here, it’s something most people don’t even realize. It’s more than just not having pizza once a month.
I think the pilot program is great and I hope it continues and things change.
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by LittleDiva
We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
I don't disagree with any of this, but literally all of the things you mentioned are part of progressive platforms that - and I am saying this to not single you out - many frequent posters on this thread rail against. Biden and those to the left of him try to make these things happen all the time and get called the "radical left" - which is absurd, but that's besides the point.
Free education? We had a thread a few months ago that was probably 60/40 against free college. I have to assume that's what you mean because we already have free k-12. But now that's what you want?
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
I don't disagree with any of this, but literally all of the things you mentioned are part of progressive platforms that - and I am saying this to not single you out - many frequent posters on this thread rail against. Biden and those to the left of him try to make these things happen all the time and get called the "radical left" - which is absurd, but that's besides the point.
Free education? We had a thread a few months ago that was probably 60/40 against free college. I have to assume that's what you mean because we already have free k-12. But now that's what you want?
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LittleDiva
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
I don't disagree with any of this, but literally all of the things you mentioned are part of progressive platforms that - and I am saying this to not single you out - many frequent posters on this thread rail against. Biden and those to the left of him try to make these things happen all the time and get called the "radical left" - which is absurd, but that's besides the point.
Free education? We had a thread a few months ago that was probably 60/40 against free college. I have to assume that's what you mean because we already have free k-12. But now that's what you want?
Free trade schools. Free community college (maybe with some scholarship to continue on if you maintain a certain gpa).
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Posted by LittleDiva
We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
Free trade schools. Free community college (maybe with some scholarship to continue on if you maintain a certain gpa).
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JennP
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Re: Universal basic income pilot program
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
We’re skipping over the cause of poverty. Provide free education or job specific training, more help with lowering monthly rent, free childcare, free summer programs for low income children so they are not unsupervised and parents can work, free transportation, etc….things that will help a person get on their feet and give them a sense of pride.
I don't disagree with any of this, but literally all of the things you mentioned are part of progressive platforms that - and I am saying this to not single you out - many frequent posters on this thread rail against. Biden and those to the left of him try to make these things happen all the time and get called the "radical left" - which is absurd, but that's besides the point.
Free education? We had a thread a few months ago that was probably 60/40 against free college. I have to assume that's what you mean because we already have free k-12. But now that's what you want?
Free trade schools. Free community college (maybe with some scholarship to continue on if you maintain a certain gpa).
So only trade schools? And free community college is great, but an associate's degree is generally not enough on its own.
It's just so frustrating, the culture we have built among many of our citizens. There is SO much resistance to helping our own. All we have to do is implement the slightest tax increase on the megawealthy - as in, maybe they buy a slightly smaller yacht - and we could solve so many problems. Student loan debt, medical debt, children in poverty... it's downright immoral.
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