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I in no way agree with the verdict. I didnt agree with the Amadu Diallo verdict and I don't agree with this one. I've tried to read as many responses on this subject as I can because it is interesting to get the perspective of others. I'm sorry it kind of threw me off that there were comments like why was he out at 4am? Why did they run? First why does it matter that he was out at 4am? What does that have to do with this tragic situation? How does that have anything to do with him being shot? Why did they run? Here is my question did the officers truly identify themselves who in their right mind wouldnt peel the pavement if a gun was suddenly pulled out on them. People keep saying that the officers heard he has a gun. You know what, Im sorry but for the wives of NYPD maybe you should ask your DH about a website about a particular where many of New Yorks finest refer to people of color or in particular neighborhoods as savages and that they should be blown up or exterminated, or pictures of people hanging from nooses as jokes. I wont say all of NYPD is like this but it is scary to think that these same people are armed with guns in the streets and at times just looking for something. The same way you can say it's hard to be an officer and be scared for your life and never knowing what can happen (which i agree with) you can't truly speak unless you've been stopped for driving a nice car, your skin color determines that you shouldnt own it. Had a gun pulled and pointed at you in front of your family. For those people whove lost family members and the cops were acquited, what would your words to them be if it were your DH? Im sorry? Mrs. Bell will have to explain to her girls twhy theor Dad is gone, Sean Bell's parents lost a son. The police officers involved lost what? Please don't say their jobs

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i'm sorry but if a gun is pointed at me, i'm gonna do whatever the cop is asking me to do. this guy was a criminal. he even hired a prostitute that night. he was doing illegal things and was putting the cops in danger.

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Posted by candygirl78

I in no way agree with the verdict. I didnt agree with the Amadu Diallo verdict and I don't agree with this one. I've tried to read as many responses on this subject as I can because it is interesting to get the perspective of others. I'm sorry it kind of threw me off that there were comments like why was he out at 4am? Why did they run? First why does it matter that he was out at 4am? What does that have to do with this tragic situation? How does that have anything to do with him being shot? Why did they run? Here is my question did the officers truly identify themselves who in their right mind wouldnt peel the pavement if a gun was suddenly pulled out on them. People keep saying that the officers heard he has a gun. You know what, Im sorry but for the wives of NYPD maybe you should ask your DH about a website about a particular where many of New Yorks finest refer to people of color or in particular neighborhoods as savages and that they should be blown up or exterminated, or pictures of people hanging from nooses as jokes. I wont say all of NYPD is like this but it is scary to think that these same people are armed with guns in the streets and at times just looking for something. The same way you can say it's hard to be an officer and be scared for your life and never knowing what can happen (which i agree with) you can't truly speak unless you've been stopped for driving a nice car, your skin color determines that you shouldnt own it. Had a gun pulled and pointed at you in front of your family. For those people whove lost family members and the cops were acquited, what would your words to them be if it were your DH? Im sorry? Mrs. Bell will have to explain to her girls twhy theor Dad is gone, Sean Bell's parents lost a son. The police officers involved lost what? Please don't say their jobs

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there's good cops and bad cops. cases like the diallo case and the bell case, gives cops a bad rap

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Posted by SupportACop

Posted by candygirl78

I in no way agree with the verdict. I didnt agree with the Amadu Diallo verdict and I don't agree with this one. I've tried to read as many responses on this subject as I can because it is interesting to get the perspective of others. I'm sorry it kind of threw me off that there were comments like why was he out at 4am? Why did they run? First why does it matter that he was out at 4am? What does that have to do with this tragic situation? How does that have anything to do with him being shot? Why did they run? Here is my question did the officers truly identify themselves who in their right mind wouldnt peel the pavement if a gun was suddenly pulled out on them. People keep saying that the officers heard he has a gun. You know what, Im sorry but for the wives of NYPD maybe you should ask your DH about a website about a particular where many of New Yorks finest refer to people of color or in particular neighborhoods as savages and that they should be blown up or exterminated, or pictures of people hanging from nooses as jokes. I wont say all of NYPD is like this but it is scary to think that these same people are armed with guns in the streets and at times just looking for something. The same way you can say it's hard to be an officer and be scared for your life and never knowing what can happen (which i agree with) you can't truly speak unless you've been stopped for driving a nice car, your skin color determines that you shouldnt own it. Had a gun pulled and pointed at you in front of your family. For those people whove lost family members and the cops were acquited, what would your words to them be if it were your DH? Im sorry? Mrs. Bell will have to explain to her girls twhy theor Dad is gone, Sean Bell's parents lost a son. The police officers involved lost what? Please don't say their jobs

I am not even going to respond to your post, it is your opinion and I can respect that..however..I will tell you that when my DH started to work as a cop in Brooklyn..he saw a little girl walking with her mom. My DH is so caring and was so happy to be a cop...He waved to the little girl..she waved back..the mom smacked the daughter and yanked her arm and said don't say hi to him he is the bad guy....That is what many parents teach their kids where my DH worked, not to mention having a lazer pointed at his head, dodging bowling balls thrown from a roof, and doing a year and a half on foot patrol.
Just trying to give you a "true" day in the NYPD.
Again, I am not in my DH's shoes but I talk with him at night and he shares some stories with me and after a while I get scared too! They will see and hear and do things regular people will never in their life have to do..I give him a lot of respect, credit, and props for wanting to do this job. JMHO

Message edited 4/26/2008 10:59:59 AM.

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This was posted on one of those NYPD Rant websites...

An Open Letter to the Media: Re: Sean Bell



To Whom This May Concern,

Your coverage of the Sean Bell incident from beginning to end has been absolutely horrible, irresponsible and criminal. Not only have you chosen to selectively cover bits and pieces in the case, but you have also fanned the flames of racial tensions that are undeniably alive in the City, partially created by your irresponsible and sensational reporting.

Sean Bell and his friends were not saints as you make them out to be. They were the scourge of the City. Responsible for countless deaths, violence, and needless addictions against their own people. Their night on the town was not an innocent get together of friends to reminisce on the old times before he made his final commitment to his long time girlfriend. This particular night out was a continuation of his past nights out of fights, drug use, and talk of gunplay. You conveniently forget to mention the past convictions of gun possession, controlled substance sales and the fact that Trent Benefield couldn't even stay out of trouble after this incident, beating his pregnant girlfriend bloody last year.

On the other hand, you choose to make villains out of 3 men who have sworn to protect the City and did so without incident or loss to life until that fateful night. You choose to ignore the fact that none of the Cops involved in the shooting were white, including Det. Oliver who is of Lebanese decent, creating innuendo's that because his appearance is white, he's is so in fact white and that racism was in play.

Sean Bell was not unarmed that night. He was armed and he used his weapon of choice, a 3200lb Nissan Altima that he struck down a Police Officer with and hit an unmarked Police Van twice. This criminal was not a stranger to the criminal justice system and I have no doubt in my mind that he had his gut feeling that they were Cops that he was about to run over, just as we had a gut feeling that he was up to no good.

This was not a tragedy. You can sugarcoat this all you want, but Sean Bells lifestyle, his choices in life, and his choices that night sealed his fate. This is not a tragedy nor is this a unique story. If you choose to live a life of crime, most likely you will die a violent death. The only tragedy here is what 3 detectives had to go through for politcal reaons and yet another african american child is without a father due to his choices in life. This is the true tragedy.

As far as the prosecution is concerned, you can try and blame them all you want. The prosecution was poor because there was no case to begin with. You had 3 men politically indicted without regard of the Penal Law in which they clearly did not violate. You had witnesses on the stand that changed their story 3, 4 , and 5 times. You had witness that told stories that contained physical impossibilities. You had witnesses that would do anything it takes to take a cop down with them. You had witnesses that had been paid off by Al Sharpton or given back door deals on pending cases by the DA's office to "cooperate" and testify. You also had witnesses on the stand that got testy and showed their propensity for violent outbursts, even in protected environment such as a Court Room. No, the Judge did not have a hard time reflecting on this case and coming down with a verdict. That's because there was no case.

So if I can build a time machine and tell my brothers what will happen if they decide to take focus of their case and try to save a possible homicide from happening in front of their eyes, what would the headlines say the next day? I'll tell you:

"Past criminal kills family of 4 in drunken accident after Cops ignore man going to his car in a drunken stuper, focusing on sting operation instead"

or

"Cops sitting inside club, doing sting operation, ignore talk of gunplay as violence erupts outside , 3 dead, 1 wounded....Where were the Police?"

Either way in the eyes of the media, we cannot win. Maybe you should look in the mirror and you will see part of the recruitment and retention problem the NYPD has. Next time you are the victim of a crime, why don't you call Guzman or Benefield for help because according to you, they are the Heros and we are the Villains.

If there happens to be violence, besides the ones perpetrating the violence, I will personally hold each and every one of you "reporters" civilly liable if anything happens to me or my relatives for fanning the flames of racial tension by failing to report the truth.

On a further note I'd like to personally tell Gabe Pressman to go fvck himself. Go fvck yourself Gabe.

SGB


Discuss.

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To Whom This May Concern,

Your coverage of the Sean Bell incident from beginning to end has been absolutely horrible, irresponsible and criminal. Not only have you chosen to selectively cover bits and pieces in the case, but you have also fanned the flames of racial tensions that are undeniably alive in the City, partially created by your irresponsible and sensational reporting.

Sean Bell and his friends were not saints as you make them out to be. They were the scourge of the City. Responsible for countless deaths, violence, and needless addictions against their own people. Their night on the town was not an innocent get together of friends to reminisce on the old times before he made his final commitment to his long time girlfriend. This particular night out was a continuation of his past nights out of fights, drug use, and talk of gunplay. You conveniently forget to mention the past convictions of gun possession, controlled substance sales and the fact that Trent Benefield couldn't even stay out of trouble after this incident, beating his pregnant girlfriend bloody last year.

On the other hand, you choose to make villains out of 3 men who have sworn to protect the City and did so without incident or loss to life until that fateful night. You choose to ignore the fact that none of the Cops involved in the shooting were white, including Det. Oliver who is of Lebanese decent, creating innuendo's that because his appearance is white, he's is so in fact white and that racism was in play.

Sean Bell was not unarmed that night. He was armed and he used his weapon of choice, a 3200lb Nissan Altima that he struck down a Police Officer with and hit an unmarked Police Van twice. This criminal was not a stranger to the criminal justice system and I have no doubt in my mind that he had his gut feeling that they were Cops that he was about to run over, just as we had a gut feeling that he was up to no good.

This was not a tragedy. You can sugarcoat this all you want, but Sean Bells lifestyle, his choices in life, and his choices that night sealed his fate. This is not a tragedy nor is this a unique story. If you choose to live a life of crime, most likely you will die a violent death. The only tragedy here is what 3 detectives had to go through for politcal reaons and yet another african american child is without a father due to his choices in life. This is the true tragedy.

As far as the prosecution is concerned, you can try and blame them all you want. The prosecution was poor because there was no case to begin with. You had 3 men politically indicted without regard of the Penal Law in which they clearly did not violate. You had witnesses on the stand that changed their story 3, 4 , and 5 times. You had witness that told stories that contained physical impossibilities. You had witnesses that would do anything it takes to take a cop down with them. You had witnesses that had been paid off by Al Sharpton or given back door deals on pending cases by the DA's office to "cooperate" and testify. You also had witnesses on the stand that got testy and showed their propensity for violent outbursts, even in protected environment such as a Court Room. No, the Judge did not have a hard time reflecting on this case and coming down with a verdict. That's because there was no case.

So if I can build a time machine and tell my brothers what will happen if they decide to take focus of their case and try to save a possible homicide from happening in front of their eyes, what would the headlines say the next day? I'll tell you:

"Past criminal kills family of 4 in drunken accident after Cops ignore man going to his car in a drunken stuper, focusing on sting operation instead"

or

"Cops sitting inside club, doing sting operation, ignore talk of gunplay as violence erupts outside , 3 dead, 1 wounded....Where were the Police?"

Either way in the eyes of the media, we cannot win. Maybe you should look in the mirror and you will see part of the recruitment and retention problem the NYPD has. Next time you are the victim of a crime, why don't you call Guzman or Benefield for help because according to you, they are the Heros and we are the Villains.

If there happens to be violence, besides the ones perpetrating the violence, I will personally hold each and every one of you "reporters" civilly liable if anything happens to me or my relatives for fanning the flames of racial tension by failing to report the truth.

On a further note I'd like to personally tell Gabe Pressman to go fvck himself. Go fvck yourself Gabe.

SGB


Discuss.
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Not to mention all 3 officers had 10 or more years of experience. And this was the first time any of them had fired there weapon. Kudos for this post.

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My first reaction was that I was kind of shocked, but after hearing the reasoning behind the verdict, it made a lot of sense. Maybe the police exercised poor judgement and/or excessive force, but there was no attempt to murder Sean Bell.

I think the officers' conduct should be investigated/punished and handled in the civil suits, but I do agree with the criminal verdict based on what I have heard.

I thought the president of the DEA and a few others were really smug about the decision in press conferences and that really disgusted me. I understand the relief at the verdict, but there is still a family mourning a loved one.

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Message edited 4/26/2008 3:06:45 PM.

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Posted by kms717

Posted by lululu

Posted by NOJUSTICE

Posted by lululu

Posted by NOJUSTICE

Three NYPD officers have been acquitted of all
charges in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed man on his wedding

Why did you create a fake screen name for this?????

Because with all the drama the last few times this case was brought up....I did not want to deal with it. People said some really nasty things before if you remember.

I do remember....

but I still think you can post under your real name. everyone is entitled to their opinion.

personally, I am very happy that the verdict went this way.

Like wise

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i just want to say one thing here:

dictionary.com says this:

savage=
–noun
7. an uncivilized human being.
8. a fierce, brutal, or cruel person.

cops call "these people" savages etc etc NOT based on race or religion... it is based on their ACTIONS, and their actions are "savagely"....

people forget that cops are called to jobs bc they are needed in a time of need- we arent getting calls to dinner parties and barbeques....when we are called to a job, it is because- my brother stabbed me, my boyfriend beat me up, my mom wont take her medication, my sister is trying to kill herself, my cousin has a gun, the people are selling drugs in front of my house, my husband threatened to kill me....etc etc etc....so, being that 99% of the jobs we go to, we see savage actions, THAT is why "we" call "them" savages....and no, not everyone is a savage in these precincts- its just what we see, on a daily basis... we are seeing all the uncivilized people...its just a fact....not everyone is uncivilized, but the majority of the people we deal with are....

and thats all that "savages" mean.... its not racist, its not anything- it really just is what it is....

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