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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
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Posted by hdrd0411
IMO - generics should not be used until 6 mths of age bc formula is the sole source of nutrition at this time and generics do not contain the same quality of vitamins and additives as other branded products. Not to say baby won't grow or there is anything wrong with generic but branded are higher quality, and contain properties that make it closer to bm compared to generic. You don't only pay for the brand but also the science behind the formula
If you need to save money buy generic diapers wipes food beauty products etc
My best example is if you take a generic vitamin and rx vitamin and put it in a glass of water with vinegar you will find the generic does not break down as complete as the rx brand bc it is higher quality. Again, not that anything is bad about this but ....
Also, generic products other than regular formula and not the same. They do not partially hydrolyze their proteins - read the label
Formulas contain patents and can not be duplicated. But if you need to use generic no harm will come to your bany
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying but I think it is important that the OP know that you work for a "brand name" formula manufacturer.
I will also add that my brother in law has a masters in chemistry and headed up the baby formula division at a few of the major manufacturers. He knows a great deal about the industry and many of the brands available. He told me most of the generics are just as good if not better then the name brands.
My sons ped told me they are the EXACT same by FDA regulation they must be. Enfamil and Similac spend tons of money every year to guilt parents into thinking it is better and it is the same, as per my sons doctor--I am not a chemist 
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by Grill
But you're not sharing whatever knowledge you've acquired on the subject. I'm not sure if you did research or this is sort of hypothetical using the above examples as other promises from the FDA gone wrong.
I'm not sure I understand your question. My response to your original question was more philosophical in nature and not based on any distinct knowledge of one formula over another.
Also, I didn't say that the FDA went wrong. They just don't measure and report on quality. They will give you the calorie count, the ingredients, the nutrition facts...but they will not provide you with quality indicators such as the how much growth hormone was fed to the cows that supplied the milk for the formula (presumably....cheaper formula is a derivative of cheaper cows...which means more growth hormone). The FDA will not tell you if the cows were fed dead cow or genetically modified corn as their primary feed. The FDA does not report on whether the Vitamin B complex is a whole food derivative or a synthetic blend. They just say the quantity of Vit. B.
All I was saying was that in this world you get what you pay for. All marketing aside....I think that a parent should go beyond label comparisons and unqualified pediatrician opinions and when considering their infants primary source of nourishment. My point was that not all Carbs are alike and not all peppers are alike..and not all fruit is alike...just because the labels say they contain the same amount of stuff....that stuff is of a different quality. Hope that makes sense.
Oh, you kinda made it sound like you actually looked into this. So, you are just hypothesizing based on other products where "you get what you pay for"? I'm just surprised that's you're support, considering how strong your opinion was/is.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by Grill
But you're not sharing whatever knowledge you've acquired on the subject. I'm not sure if you did research or this is sort of hypothetical using the above examples as other promises from the FDA gone wrong.
I'm not sure I understand your question. My response to your original question was more philosophical in nature and not based on any distinct knowledge of one formula over another.
Also, I didn't say that the FDA went wrong. They just don't measure and report on quality. They will give you the calorie count, the ingredients, the nutrition facts...but they will not provide you with quality indicators such as the how much growth hormone was fed to the cows that supplied the milk for the formula (presumably....cheaper formula is a derivative of cheaper cows...which means more growth hormone). The FDA will not tell you if the cows were fed dead cow or genetically modified corn as their primary feed. The FDA does not report on whether the Vitamin B complex is a whole food derivative or a synthetic blend. They just say the quantity of Vit. B.
All I was saying was that in this world you get what you pay for. All marketing aside....I think that a parent should go beyond label comparisons and unqualified pediatrician opinions and when considering their infants primary source of nourishment. My point was that not all Carbs are alike and not all peppers are alike..and not all fruit is alike...just because the labels say they contain the same amount of stuff....that stuff is of a different quality. Hope that makes sense.
Not looking to argue but I did look into and the properties in generic are the exact same as the properties in the name brand I used. The exact same to the letter so I am unsure as to all fruit is not a like theory bc in this case all formulas ARE a like they must be by law.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by lynnd126
This is an article (blog type) all about why parents should not feel guilty using generic formula.
Article
Also, I was looking at the BJ's "Similac" version and saw this disclaimer-
Berkley & Jensen® Advantage™ Milk -Based Infant Formula does not contain the identical propietary ingredient blend of prebiotics, patented levels of nucleotides, lutein, and lycopene in Similac® Advance® EarlyShield®.
Does this mean anything or are the values changed slightly to just not infringe on any patents?
I'm going to BJ's today and I am considering trying their formula. It is less than half the price.
I have used BJ's formula exclusively with both of my boys and as long as baby #3 is fine with it, I will use it with him/her too
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
As a mom who works full time and has a 3 year old, 19 month old and 4 months pregnant with #3, I don't have time or interest in finding out the soil makeup of my vegetables, and I can afford to buy brand name. I CHOOSE not to. The formulas are the same and I agree with the mom who said we are paying for marketing. My boys NEVER had a problem with BJ's formula
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by Katareen
Idk if this is a "good" reason, but in my experience Enfamil is thin, white, dissolves well. Looks like milk.
My SIL uses generic and to me it looks very gray and clumpy. The powder doesn't dissolve as well. I didn't like that at all. I wouldn't drink something that looked like that and wouldnt give to my DC...so when I supplement I use the brand name.
Also using coupons and formula checks I can actually get the brand name for the same if not cheaper!
Ew what brand does she use? lol
target brand and enfamil look 100% the same, we got the ok to switch to generic at 3 months so we did
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
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Posted by Katareen
Idk if this is a "good" reason, but in my experience Enfamil is thin, white, dissolves well. Looks like milk.
My SIL uses generic and to me it looks very gray and clumpy. The powder doesn't dissolve as well. I didn't like that at all. I wouldn't drink something that looked like that and wouldnt give to my DC...so when I supplement I use the brand name.
Also using coupons and formula checks I can actually get the brand name for the same if not cheaper!
Ew what brand does she use? lol
target brand and enfamil look 100% the same, we got the ok to switch to generic at 3 months so we did
Someone posted this link a while back, all the store brands are made by the same company. BJ's looks and dissolves exactly like Enfamil also.
http://www.storebrandformula.com/
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
I just want to applaud the poster who said that ped. are not well versed in nutrition! It is so sad but true. They spend 1 class on nutrition, where are registered dietitians spend 5 years and are 1 class short of being a chemistry major.
I just want to point out on small mistake in the past posts. The ingredients are not the same. You can not compare the nutritional information - you have to compare the ingredients. And they are different. To a lay person, and even a pediatrician - you probably wouldn't know the bioavailability of that ingredient but a dietitian and biochemist would.
So thank you for pointing out that dietitians are your nutrition expert!! LOL!
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
This is some information from the storebrandformula.com website:
When it comes to infant nutrition, quality is paramount and there is no compromise. According to federal regulations and the guidance of health-care professional groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), infant formula must be formulated so that it can provide a baby with a sole source of nutrition. Similarly, the same stringent guidelines for safety and quality must be met by all four U.S. infant formula companies and the brands of baby formula they manufacture: Mead Johnson Nutritionals (Enfamil®), Abbott Laboratories (Similac®), Nestlé (Gerber®), and Perrigo Nutritionals (Store Brand Formula).
Perrigo Nutritionals is the largest supplier of store brand infant formula and nutrition products in the world and one of only four companies recognized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for meeting the strict FDA requirements for safety, nutrition, and quality for infant formula-manufacturing in the United States.
The company's advanced R&D and state-of-the-art manufacturing capabilities enable Perrigo Nutritionals to provide more than 50 infant formula varieties to more than 47 retailers in the United States.
The truth is there is no "generic baby formula" in the U.S. infant nutrition market.
Thinking of Switching Baby Formula?
Compare Brands of Baby Formula and Save
Want to prove all baby formulas are nutritionally equal? It's easy. Next time you're in a grocery store just do a side-by-side label comparison of any store brand formula against a competing national brand.
In fact, we'll make it even easier for you. Here's a side-by-side comparison† of some of our leading store brand Advantage® formula compared to the nutrition of Similac® Advance® formula:
Store Brand
Advantage® Similac® Advance® EarlyShield®
Nutrients/100 Cal.
Protein g 2.07 2.07
Fat g 5.6 5.60
Carbohydrate g 10.71 10.71
Water g 133 133
Linoleic Acid mg 860 1000
Vitamins:
Vitamin A IU 300 300
Vitamin D IU 60 60
Vitamin E IU 1.5 1.5
Vitamin K mcg 8 8
Vitamin B1 mcg 100 100
Vitamin B2 mcg 150 150
Vitamin B6 mcg 60 60
Vitamin B12 mcg 0.25 0.25
Niacin mcg 1050 1050
Folic Acid mcg 15 15
Pantothenic Acid mcg 450 450
Biotin mcg 4.4 4.4
Vitamin C mg 9 9
Choline mg 16 16
Inositol mg 4.7 4.7
Minerals:
Calcium mg 78 78
Phosphorus mg 42 42
Magnesium mg 6 6
Iron mg 1.8 1.8
Zinc mg 0.75 0.75
Manganese mcg 5 5
Copper mcg 90 90
Iodine mcg 6 6
Selenium mcg 1.8 1.8
Sodium mg 24 24
Potassium mg 105 105
Chloride mg 65 65
† Product nutrient values and ingredients are subject to change. Please see product label for current information.
Meeting the standards of the FDA, all Perrigo Nutritionals formulas compare to the nutrition of the national brands. Side-by-side comparisons of our top-selling store brand formulas reveal that they are often nutritionally identical to national brands.
The only difference parents will find with store brand formula is in the price. Our store brand formulas range from $13.00 to $15.00 per can, where as national brands range from $21.00 to $26.00. By purchasing store brand formula, parents can save $7.00 to $11.00 per can, which adds up to approximately $416.00 - $572.00 in total savings a year.*
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hdrd0411
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
WAIT!! One more funny point..
Do you know that there is really no such thing as a lactose intolerant baby (very rare, less than 2% of the population).
Most pediatricians allow Moms to feed their babies Similac Sensative (and lactose free before it was taken off the market) even though they know that the AAP does not recommend the use of lactose free formulas. These formulas are just silly—and are only there to pander to fears and misinformation. If your child is genuinely allergic to milk, these won’t help.
reduced lactose formulas are fine b/c it still fosters the production of lactase and deals with the issue of lactose sensitivity due to immature baby guts.
So your pediatricians just don't want to tell you that Sim Sensative is a marketing gimic...but a dietitian will!! (except for the rare 2% of the population who really need it)
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
And one more to really drive the point home
The Courts Weigh In: Store Brand Infant Formulas Win a Final Round in Court
It's not just nutritional experts who have confirmed the Store Brand Formula message of nutrition equality. Over the years, the courts have spoken loud and clear in favor of store brands in cases where national brands made advertising claims of nutritional superiority.
Store brand infant formulas recently won a major victory when a U.S. Circuit Court upheld a $13.5 million false advertising claim against Enfamil® Infant Formula maker Mead Johnson.
The case centered on the successful argument by PBM Products, Perrigo's store brand infant formula business, that Mead Johnson's Enfamil® advertisements were false and misleading because store brand formulas offer the same nutrients at the same levels as Enfamil.
"As the litigation history of the parties demonstrates, despite having twice been restrained from disseminating misleading advertising, Mead Johnson continued to do so," Circuit Judge Andre Davis wrote. "PBM cannot fairly compete with Mead Johnson unless and until Mead Johnson stops infecting the marketplace with misleading advertising."
"The Court has made it clear that national brand and store brand suppliers are entitled to fairly compete and advertising abuses will not be tolerated," said Perrigo Chairman and CEO Joseph C. Papa in a statement. "We also appreciate the Court's recognition that PBM could lawfully compare its products [store brand formula] to national brand products."Enfamil® advertisements were false and misleading because store brand formulas offer the same nutrients at the same levels as Enfamil.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
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This is some information from the storebrandformula.com website:
When it comes to infant nutrition, quality is paramount and there is no compromise. According to federal regulations and the guidance of health-care professional groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), infant formula must be formulated so that it can provide a baby with a sole source of nutrition. Similarly, the same stringent guidelines for safety and quality must be met by all four U.S. infant formula companies and the brands of baby formula they manufacture: Mead Johnson Nutritionals (Enfamil®), Abbott Laboratories (Similac®), Nestlé (Gerber®), and Perrigo Nutritionals (Store Brand Formula).
Perrigo Nutritionals is the largest supplier of store brand infant formula and nutrition products in the world and one of only four companies recognized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for meeting the strict FDA requirements for safety, nutrition, and quality for infant formula-manufacturing in the United States.
The company's advanced R&D and state-of-the-art manufacturing capabilities enable Perrigo Nutritionals to provide more than 50 infant formula varieties to more than 47 retailers in the United States.
The truth is there is no "generic baby formula" in the U.S. infant nutrition market.
Thinking of Switching Baby Formula?
Compare Brands of Baby Formula and Save
Want to prove all baby formulas are nutritionally equal? It's easy. Next time you're in a grocery store just do a side-by-side label comparison of any store brand formula against a competing national brand.
In fact, we'll make it even easier for you. Here's a side-by-side comparison† of some of our leading store brand Advantage® formula compared to the nutrition of Similac® Advance® formula:
Store Brand
Advantage® Similac® Advance® EarlyShield®
Nutrients/100 Cal.
Protein g 2.07 2.07
Fat g 5.6 5.60
Carbohydrate g 10.71 10.71
Water g 133 133
Linoleic Acid mg 860 1000
Vitamins:
Vitamin A IU 300 300
Vitamin D IU 60 60
Vitamin E IU 1.5 1.5
Vitamin K mcg 8 8
Vitamin B1 mcg 100 100
Vitamin B2 mcg 150 150
Vitamin B6 mcg 60 60
Vitamin B12 mcg 0.25 0.25
Niacin mcg 1050 1050
Folic Acid mcg 15 15
Pantothenic Acid mcg 450 450
Biotin mcg 4.4 4.4
Vitamin C mg 9 9
Choline mg 16 16
Inositol mg 4.7 4.7
Minerals:
Calcium mg 78 78
Phosphorus mg 42 42
Magnesium mg 6 6
Iron mg 1.8 1.8
Zinc mg 0.75 0.75
Manganese mcg 5 5
Copper mcg 90 90
Iodine mcg 6 6
Selenium mcg 1.8 1.8
Sodium mg 24 24
Potassium mg 105 105
Chloride mg 65 65
† Product nutrient values and ingredients are subject to change. Please see product label for current information.
Meeting the standards of the FDA, all Perrigo Nutritionals formulas compare to the nutrition of the national brands. Side-by-side comparisons of our top-selling store brand formulas reveal that they are often nutritionally identical to national brands.
The only difference parents will find with store brand formula is in the price. Our store brand formulas range from $13.00 to $15.00 per can, where as national brands range from $21.00 to $26.00. By purchasing store brand formula, parents can save $7.00 to $11.00 per can, which adds up to approximately $416.00 - $572.00 in total savings a year.*
got it. adn thank you for posting this.
Ok, so..hdrd0411 - do you mean that the scientific components/breakdowns/whatever you call them - of, let's say, the Vitamin A is higher quality in popular brands vs. generic?
meaning, sure, vitamin A is found in both versions, but the source/quality/etc is better in the popular brand?
(not being snarky, just trying to understand here once and for all)
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
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hdrd0411
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
HAHAHAHA!!
PP - yes, it is not the quantity of the formula it is the type that is used. Having the same levels mean nothing - what should be on the label is how much is absorbable. That was my example with the generic vitamin vs. rx vitamin.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
if you want to buy the name brand, go ahead there is nothing wrong with that, everyone should do what they are comfortable with. However it is annoying when people just say things that are not true, they are equal and there is tons of literature from nutritionists explaining that. For us we can afford to buy brand name (and did for the first 6 months) but for me it would was like throwing money away I would prefer to take that extra money and add it to DS's 529 and bank account.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by hdrd0411
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
HAHAHAHA!!
PP - yes, it is not the quantity of the formula it is the type that is used. Having the same levels mean nothing - what should be on the label is how much is absorbable. That was my example with the generic vitamin vs. rx vitamin.
If this is the case then why are there court cases that have been won which ban Enfamil from advertising that their formula is nutritionally superior? IF this were the case they would be allowed to say what you just said in their ad's...right???
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
No one else will find this funny..but I kinda did..lol..but I just have to say..this is why our health care premiums,etc. are so high..we only always think that because it's expensive, it's better..that being said, we were fortunate in that we were able to afford name brand, it wasn't a thought and our bottom line was, "it's working and we don't want to mess it up"..I had issues BFing that I had to get over and it was just one less battle to fight..kwim? DH always says the marketing on formula is genius since they are smart enough to get into the hospitals and get into the heads of new parents...
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by hdrd0411
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
HAHAHAHA!!
PP - yes, it is not the quantity of the formula it is the type that is used. Having the same levels mean nothing - what should be on the label is how much is absorbable. That was my example with the generic vitamin vs. rx vitamin.
Sorry for missing the comparison before. I read the thread earlier today but waited to respond.
Here's another thing I want to ask:
If a mother was BFing and she was deficient in vitamins and had no clue (like I'm lacking a few, and I only found out through recent bloodwork), the baby then doesn't get the proper amount of vitamins, right? I always heard breast is best, but what if I'm lacking in key vitamins?
(I did BF and FF)
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by cncforever
If a mother was BFing and she was deficient in vitamins and had no clue (like I'm lacking a few, and I only found out through recent bloodwork), the baby then doesn't get the proper amount of vitamins, right? I always heard breast is best, but what if I'm lacking in key vitamins?
(I did BF and FF)
I have heard that even then breast is always best. Some even claim even if a mother smokes breast is best, personally I disagree but this is what I have read.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by cncforever
If a mother was BFing and she was deficient in vitamins and had no clue (like I'm lacking a few, and I only found out through recent bloodwork), the baby then doesn't get the proper amount of vitamins, right? I always heard breast is best, but what if I'm lacking in key vitamins?
(I did BF and FF)
I have heard that even then breast is always best. Some even claim even if a mother smokes breast is best, personally I disagree but this is what I have read.
I heard same, as well.. But rationally, I couldn't understand it. I am severely low in vitamin D and some other ones, but Vit D - holy moly - I had to take 50,000 units a week and light therapy to get my levels back up to somewhere normal. I know this is very common.
But Had I BF then, wouldn't baby get next to nothing of my Vit D since I was so severely lacking?
Sometimes I'm soooooooooo glad I FF more than BF, just to be sure I covered what I lacked, KWIM.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by hdrd0411
WAIT!! One more funny point..
Do you know that there is really no such thing as a lactose intolerant baby (very rare, less than 2% of the population).
I have to say I'm always amazed at how many people claim milk protein allergies in infancy...bc from what I read it is only 2-3% chance.
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
BM is very deficient in vit D. which is why you have to give babies that are BF d supplements.
BM is based on your diet...so try to eat as best you can and take your prenate and you will be fine - and give D to the baby
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
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Posted by hdrd0411
Posted by DopeysMama
My kids were both proudly fed Walmart Parent's Choice Brand formula. Never had an ounce of guilt.
I dont care enough about my children to buy them the name brand. I prefer to save my pennies for cigarettes, booze, and designer duds.
HAHAHAHA!!
PP - yes, it is not the quantity of the formula it is the type that is used. Having the same levels mean nothing - what should be on the label is how much is absorbable. That was my example with the generic vitamin vs. rx vitamin.
If this is the case then why are there court cases that have been won which ban Enfamil from advertising that their formula is nutritionally superior? IF this were the case they would be allowed to say what you just said in their ad's...right???
I think - and because I only know of the case based on what you posted earlier, that the court was reasoning that, for example, both formulas offer 100% of the dv of Vitamin A, 100% of the dv of Vitamin C, etc, etc. So based on the pure percentages and vitamins included, they are identical. Hence why the court said they offer the same nutrients (vitamin A) at the same level (100%).
What hdrd0411 is saying is more scientific than pure numbers and letters (and judges are certainly not experts on much of anything scientific). Yes they may both have 100% dv of vitamin A, but the vitamin itself may be a higher grade/quality in the brand name. That's not something a court is going to get into - judges are not qualified for all that jazz.
Just like you can have ground beef that's better quality - it's still all called "ground beef"
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| Posted 4/24/12 10:52 PM |
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by Bearcat
I think - and because I only know of the case based on what you posted earlier, that the court was reasoning that, for example, both formulas offer 100% of the dv of Vitamin A, 100% of the dv of Vitamin C, etc, etc. So based on the pure percentages and vitamins included, they are identical. Hence why the court said they offer the same nutrients (vitamin A) at the same level (100%).
What hdrd0411 is saying is more scientific than pure numbers and letters (and judges are certainly not experts on much of anything scientific). Yes they may both have 100% dv of vitamin A, but the vitamin itself may be a higher grade/quality in the brand name. That's not something a court is going to get into - judges are not qualified for all that jazz.
Just like you can have ground beef that's better quality - it's still all called "ground beef"
Yay a lawyer
I get what you are saying BUT if brand name was superior based on the fact that the vitamin A is a higher grade then wouldn't they be able to advertise their product AS superior?
In other words the ruling is that they are not allowed to advertise they are superior...but if they ARE then why not?
eta: Angus beef is allowed to advertise it's superiority over regular old beef, kwim?
Message edited 4/24/2012 11:01:10 PM.
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| Posted 4/24/12 11:00 PM |
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Bearcat
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Re: Can someone give me a good reason to NOT try generic formula? (Article and question)
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by Bearcat
I think - and because I only know of the case based on what you posted earlier, that the court was reasoning that, for example, both formulas offer 100% of the dv of Vitamin A, 100% of the dv of Vitamin C, etc, etc. So based on the pure percentages and vitamins included, they are identical. Hence why the court said they offer the same nutrients (vitamin A) at the same level (100%).
What hdrd0411 is saying is more scientific than pure numbers and letters (and judges are certainly not experts on much of anything scientific). Yes they may both have 100% dv of vitamin A, but the vitamin itself may be a higher grade/quality in the brand name. That's not something a court is going to get into - judges are not qualified for all that jazz.
Just like you can have ground beef that's better quality - it's still all called "ground beef"
Yay a lawyer
I get what you are saying BUT if brand name was superior based on the fact that the vitamin A is a higher grade then wouldn't they be able to advertise their product AS superior?
In other words the ruling is that they are not allowed to advertise they are superior...but if they ARE then why not?
eta: Angus beef is allowed to advertise it's superiority over regular old beef, kwim?
You would think. But judges simply don't get into that type of analysis in a court case. They're not allowed to advertise that they're nutritionally superior. I think "nutrition" and "quality" are different standards. Does that make any sense?
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