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Kitten1929
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
This isn't about Trump vs Sanders vs Clinton or anyone else...
What qualities, policies, or reforms would you like to see in your ideal presidential candidate? What things do you personally find important for a president to address?
I ask this because my husband is more conservative when it comes to gun control and the military, yet he was for more aligned with Clinton than anyone else in his other views, and it was quite interesting to see him react to that and understand that his own views are not necessarily so cut and dried in respect to a specific party or candidate.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Socially I am liberal but fiscally I more moderate. I don't mind helping others but I feel that it has become a situation where the middle class, hard working people are really losing out. I am not sure what the solution is honestly.
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Pumpkin1
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by DiamondGirl
Socially I am liberal but fiscally I more moderate. I don't mind helping others but I feel that it has become a situation where the middle class, hard working people are really losing out. I am not sure what the solution is honestly.
I feel the same way. It's like the system is so rigged to benefit the wealthy and corporate America, that it's turned into a Brewster's Millions scenario where they can't NOT benefit, no matter what they do.
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ElizaRags35
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by DiamondGirl
Socially I am liberal but fiscally I more moderate. I don't mind helping others but I feel that it has become a situation where the middle class, hard working people are really losing out. I am not sure what the solution is honestly.
I feel the same way. It's like the system is so rigged to benefit the wealthy and corporate America, that it's turned into a Brewster's Millions scenario where they can't NOT benefit, no matter what they do.
There are many ways the laws can be changed to ameliorate the greed and fraud that occurs among much of the "1%." Closing tax loopholes, etc.
This never happens because most people who rise far enough in politics to make a difference end up benefiting from those same rules and forget about the middle and working class.
This is why I support Bernie Sanders; I feel that he out of all the candidates has the best chance of making this type of change.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by JennP
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by DiamondGirl
Socially I am liberal but fiscally I more moderate. I don't mind helping others but I feel that it has become a situation where the middle class, hard working people are really losing out. I am not sure what the solution is honestly.
I feel the same way. It's like the system is so rigged to benefit the wealthy and corporate America, that it's turned into a Brewster's Millions scenario where they can't NOT benefit, no matter what they do.
There are many ways the laws can be changed to ameliorate the greed and fraud that occurs among much of the "1%." Closing tax loopholes, etc.
This never happens because most people who rise far enough in politics to make a difference end up benefiting from those same rules and forget about the middle and working class.
This is why I support Bernie Sanders; I feel that he out of all the candidates has the best chance of making this type of change.
And my fear w Bernie, though I love his ideas, is that he will further bleed to middle class, hard working people and effect no change with the top 1%....if Obama couldnt why would Bernie be able to ? Obama has the same desire but was blocked.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All of this.
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Kitten1929
I ask this because my husband is more conservative when it comes to gun control and the military, yet he was for more aligned with Clinton than anyone else in his other views, and it was quite interesting to see him react to that and understand that his own views are not necessarily so cut and dried in respect to a specific party or candidate.
I say this all the time - people should never just assume that they should vote for the Democrat because they are liberal or vote for the Republican because they are conservative.
Clinton for example was responsible for the passage of lots of righty legislation - NAFTA, the partial repeal of Glass Steagall, welfare reform, etc.
He was super moderate, really.
Conservatives hate big government, but the "compassionate conservative" himself, Baby Bush, did one thing after another to make it bigger - added a cabinet post, Patriot Act, Partial Birth Abortion Act (which is a propaganda term, not even a medical term, but I digress.)
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All this.
What has drawn me to Bernie Sanders is his position on the big banks and how much control and influence they have.
Income inequality is troubling to me. I feel that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be in poverty. We look down too much on unskilled workers but they play a role.
I have said before that I worked in a very poor neighborhood for many years. And while I definitely think we need some kind of welfare reform, I know I also met families which did genuinely need it and were trying very hard to get off of it. I'm not sure what the answers are as it's huge and complex. But I feel we blame way too much on the poor while Wall Street happily screws us.
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by JennP
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by DiamondGirl
Socially I am liberal but fiscally I more moderate. I don't mind helping others but I feel that it has become a situation where the middle class, hard working people are really losing out. I am not sure what the solution is honestly.
I feel the same way. It's like the system is so rigged to benefit the wealthy and corporate America, that it's turned into a Brewster's Millions scenario where they can't NOT benefit, no matter what they do.
There are many ways the laws can be changed to ameliorate the greed and fraud that occurs among much of the "1%." Closing tax loopholes, etc.
This never happens because most people who rise far enough in politics to make a difference end up benefiting from those same rules and forget about the middle and working class.
This is why I support Bernie Sanders; I feel that he out of all the candidates has the best chance of making this type of change.
And my fear w Bernie, though I love his ideas, is that he will further bleed to middle class, hard working people and effect no change with the top 1%....if Obama couldnt why would Bernie be able to ? Obama has the same desire but was blocked.
I get this, but I believe that will be ameliorated by a few things:
Studies agree (and history shows) that when the poor's wages increase, they spend it immediately. This make intuitive sense, as they can finally make purchases they have been putting off.
This will lift up everyone, as businesses see an increase in sales, which means hiring at all levels, then a more competitive job market, which will (FINALLY) raise salaries.
I can't recall anymore what Obama promised 8 years ago, but I remember him being more moderate than Bernie. But even if he wasn't, immediately after he pushed through ACA he had lost the Democratic majority that he enjoyed in Congress. So it was hard to get that type of change accomplished after that.
To address your concern, though, I absolutely believe that income thresholds that constitute the "middle class" should absolutely be indexed by location. A middle class income here is very different from what it would be in rural Kentucky. Any tax increase on the rich should take that into consideration.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All this.
What has drawn me to Bernie Sanders is his position on the big banks and how much control and influence they have.
Income inequality is troubling to me. I feel that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be in poverty. We look down too much on unskilled workers but they play a role.
I have said before that I worked in a very poor neighborhood for many years. And while I definitely think we need some kind of welfare reform, I know I also met families which did genuinely need it and were trying very hard to get off of it. I'm not sure what the answers are as it's huge and complex. But I feel we blame way too much on the poor while Wall Street happily screws us.
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All this.
What has drawn me to Bernie Sanders is his position on the big banks and how much control and influence they have.
Income inequality is troubling to me. I feel that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be in poverty. We look down too much on unskilled workers but they play a role.
I have said before that I worked in a very poor neighborhood for many years. And while I definitely think we need some kind of welfare reform, I know I also met families which did genuinely need it and were trying very hard to get off of it. I'm not sure what the answers are as it's huge and complex. But I feel we blame way too much on the poor while Wall Street happily screws us.
All of this!!
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Jugglemom
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
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ohbaby08
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All of this ^^^^
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LSP2005
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by oneday
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
All of this.
Same here.
I would love a candidate at focused on upgrading our infrastructure. Make corporations bid to compete to upgrade roads for driverless cars, upgrade telecommunications to bring fiber to everyone, buried gas, electric, and sewers.
For student loans, 1% interest on all outstanding debt. No bankruptcy until 15 years after graduating to incentivize paying off the loans, but not killing people forever.
For current students, colleges must have skin in the game. 1. A set amount of money for every college, that will increase or decree by the following factors.
A. Graduate at least 85% of students in 4 years.
B. Loose money if they don't graduate students within 4 years.
2. Tie colleges to post graduate performance.
A. Graduates are able to obtain job in their field of study can get more student loan money.
B. Graduates are able to obtain job, but not in their field will not loose money for future students, but no increase available.
C. Graduates are unable to find a job post graduation, college will loose money for future students.
3. Private loans for students no longer available.
Healthcare.
1. No preexisting condition exclusion.
2. One well woman appointment covered with Pap smear at 18, annually; and mammogram per year at 40, then every other year thereafter.
3. Well child visits, vaccinations covered.
4. One well man appointment with testicle exam annual.
5. One over all well health annually.
6. Two dental cleanings and one x ray annually.
7. One eye exam annually.
8. All catastrophic care from Er covered.
9. Palliative care covered.
10. Cancer care covered.
11. Medications are going to be negotiated in price annually for the entire US to reduce costs.
12. Sick visits would have no copay. Seriously, why do we dis incentivize sick people from seeing the doctor to spread their germs more because they can't afford the extra copay?
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evrythng4areason
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
1. Preserve the 2nd amendment
2. Eliminate Obamacare
3. Have a strong stance on immigration/deportation
4. Reform of education, minimizing the role of the federal government
5. I do support environmental rights
6. Elimination/mandating labeling of GMOs
7. Reform of medicaid/medicare/welfare
8. No more raising of minimum wage
9. Minimize governmental excess
10. Increased military spending
Fiscally, as a whole, I'm quite conservative. It kills me that such a large portion of our family's income is taken for taxes. My husband literally lost half his bonus to taxes, and it's not as if we're getting a huge refund at the end of the year.
I also do not believe in a lot of the college cost/loan reform that is being proposed. I do not believe that a college education is a right, and I believe that many people who do attend college do not belong there. All these reforms are going to do is push for the need to get a higher ed degree (which is, in many ways, already true-you almost need a MA/MS to be considered for anything of importance in many fields).
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Diane
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
1. Preserve the 2nd amendment
2. Eliminate Obamacare
3. Have a strong stance on immigration/deportation
4. Reform of education, minimizing the role of the federal government
5. I do support environmental rights
6. Elimination/mandating labeling of GMOs
7. Reform of medicaid/medicare/welfare
8. No more raising of minimum wage
9. Minimize governmental excess
10. Increased military spending
Fiscally, as a whole, I'm quite conservative. It kills me that such a large portion of our family's income is taken for taxes. My husband literally lost half his bonus to taxes, and it's not as if we're getting a huge refund at the end of the year.
I also do not believe in a lot of the college cost/loan reform that is being proposed. I do not believe that a college education is a right, and I believe that many people who do attend college do not belong there. All these reforms are going to do is push for the need to get a higher ed degree (which is, in many ways, already true-you almost need a MA/MS to be considered for anything of importance in many fields).
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Xelindrya
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
My ideal candidate?
Atheist - to me religion has no place in government at all.
Pro Choice
Pro Military (vet?)
Strong International stand
Strong immigration control
Non Sponsored by Corporate money/lobbists
With support on both sides of the aisle
(aka the danged Unicorn LOL)
ETA: Yes I think its a given
Equal rights for ALL in marriage
Equal pay
Healthcare reform as in dumping ACA
NO ONE who is unemployed should be PUNISHED For choosing to use their money to pay for food over healthcare if they happen to be out of work for 3months and then employed but in probation before coverage kicks in (its real and it happens and I nearly got hit with it myself). Talk about kicking someone when their down. I had my HSA to pick up my health costs if anything happened.
ABSOLUTELY support 2nd amendment
Start call in the loans we have to foreign countries.
Start fixing what's wrong here
We send millions overseas but we have Flint and areas of Louisiana with horrid water conditions.
Our infrastructure is a wreck
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
Yes
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buttercup
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
sums it up for me..
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DiamondGirl
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by JennP
To address your concern, though, I absolutely believe that income thresholds that constitute the "middle class" should absolutely be indexed by location. A middle class income here is very different from what it would be in rural Kentucky. Any tax increase on the rich should take that into consideration.
I ALWAYS SAY THIS!!!
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JDubs
different, not less
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
To start... someone who completely takes religion out of politics.
Honestly, im right on some issues. I could vote republican possibly one day .. But all the speeches bringing God into it.. Totally turns me off. I'm not religious, I respect that many are.. But keep it out of govt.
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JP826
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Pro Life.
I defend the Constitution & everything it represents
Stricter immigration laws
Smaller government involvement in things such as healthcare & education.
Traditional Values
Free Market
FOR Capital punishment for certain crimes
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JP826
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
1. Preserve the 2nd amendment
2. Eliminate Obamacare
3. Have a strong stance on immigration/deportation
4. Reform of education, minimizing the role of the federal government
5. I do support environmental rights
6. Elimination/mandating labeling of GMOs
7. Reform of medicaid/medicare/welfare
8. No more raising of minimum wage
9. Minimize governmental excess
10. Increased military spending
Fiscally, as a whole, I'm quite conservative. It kills me that such a large portion of our family's income is taken for taxes. My husband literally lost half his bonus to taxes, and it's not as if we're getting a huge refund at the end of the year.
I also do not believe in a lot of the college cost/loan reform that is being proposed. I do not believe that a college education is a right, and I believe that many people who do attend college do not belong there. All these reforms are going to do is push for the need to get a higher ed degree (which is, in many ways, already true-you almost need a MA/MS to be considered for anything of importance in many fields).
I'm with you on all of this.
College is a privilege, not a right.
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