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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by ElizaRags35
Pro choice
In support of women's rights
Wants stricter gun laws
Supports healthcare reform (not necessarily ACA as is but something other than what we had previously)
Supports gay marriage
Believes in climate change
A president needs to be diplomatic, not fly off the handle, a firm leader but doesn't alienate or degrades his or her citizens.
I agree with all of this. I also think its extremely important that we start helping out our own citizens. We spend billions on wars that in my opinion we wouldnt have to be in if we just minded our own ******* business but we have an issue helping our own people here in the US that struggle daily to make ends meet.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
totally misread this and now my question is moot.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by JP826
Posted by evrythng4areason
1. Preserve the 2nd amendment
2. Eliminate Obamacare
3. Have a strong stance on immigration/deportation
4. Reform of education, minimizing the role of the federal government
5. I do support environmental rights
6. Elimination/mandating labeling of GMOs
7. Reform of medicaid/medicare/welfare
8. No more raising of minimum wage
9. Minimize governmental excess
10. Increased military spending
Fiscally, as a whole, I'm quite conservative. It kills me that such a large portion of our family's income is taken for taxes. My husband literally lost half his bonus to taxes, and it's not as if we're getting a huge refund at the end of the year.
I also do not believe in a lot of the college cost/loan reform that is being proposed. I do not believe that a college education is a right, and I believe that many people who do attend college do not belong there. All these reforms are going to do is push for the need to get a higher ed degree (which is, in many ways, already true-you almost need a MA/MS to be considered for anything of importance in many fields).
I'm with you on all of this.
College is a privilege, not a right.
If you believe college should be a privilege not a right, then do you at least support the people to receive $15 an hour for careers that don't require a college education?
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
1. Preserve the 2nd amendment
2. Eliminate Obamacare
3. Have a strong stance on immigration/deportation
4. Reform of education, minimizing the role of the federal government
5. I do support environmental rights
6. Elimination/mandating labeling of GMOs
7. Reform of medicaid/medicare/welfare
8. No more raising of minimum wage
9. Minimize governmental excess
10. Increased military spending
Fiscally, as a whole, I'm quite conservative. It kills me that such a large portion of our family's income is taken for taxes. My husband literally lost half his bonus to taxes, and it's not as if we're getting a huge refund at the end of the year.
I also do not believe in a lot of the college cost/loan reform that is being proposed. I do not believe that a college education is a right, and I believe that many people who do attend college do not belong there. All these reforms are going to do is push for the need to get a higher ed degree (which is, in many ways, already true-you almost need a MA/MS to be considered for anything of importance in many fields).
Wow, I am the absolute complete opposite from you. That said, what exactly do you mean by you support "environmental rights"? 
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Here's what I always get confused about. Someone help me here. People who are "fiscally conservative" aren't for raising wages or govt aid like welfare, and they tend to think college and all higher Ed is a privilege.
Those are their beliefs, fine.
But how do people get by then? How do you better yourself?
If you're working full time at a fast food joint (and it's rare you can land a full time gig, as they hire a bunch of part timers) and you're not on govt aid, and you're trying to scrape pennies to attend this amazing privilege like college - and it's taking forever. Or when you finally have saved enough or your working a ton and juggling it all - Slave wages in between classes .. Then what? How do you do that while living in your own? Having a car? Just the basics in life? How do you do that?
I know people say "oh I did it! I worked THREE JOBS!" But it shouldn't be that way. And the people that always say that always forget that they had help in some form - living with family, with parents, had some financial help from the start, had a spouse or got married as soon as college loans came rolling in - with two incomes to help.
And how do you work making such low pay… But then the cost of your medicine is so high?
Basically… What happens to all those people who were able bodied and willing to work… But maybe don't have the advantages that other people have ? Do they not deserve to get ahead?
I just don't understand how anyone can think People should deal with their low-wage jobs… But then deny them the right for help and education if they need it. Do people actually do the math when they see what 15 an hour comes out to a week ? But people somehow think it's way too much.
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
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Pumpkin1
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
And, with no public assistance. I agree, the math doesn't make sense. Also, there are numerous studies that, under the current system, it is very difficult to better oneself (i.e. move from poverty to middle-class).
My thoughts: Upward mobility was available to prior generations because their employers invested in them by providing adequate pay and insurance, sometimes education, which fostered upward mobility. In return, employers wanted their employees to stay loyal to them by not leaving their jobs. However, in the 80s, employees stop being loyal and jumped jobs to get pay increases (most likely employers stopped providing adequate pay increases). In return, employers stopped investing in their employees and focused on their bottom lines. Hence, we are in the pickle we are today because employers are longer providing that support to their employees and the government isn't either. Thus, there is class stagnation and only those rich enough to support themselves and their kin have any chance at bettering themselves.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
And, with no public assistance. I agree, the math doesn't make sense. Also, there are numerous studies that, under the current system, it is very difficult to better oneself (i.e. move from poverty to middle-class).
My thoughts: Upward mobility was available to prior generations because their employers invested in them by providing adequate pay and insurance, sometimes education, which fostered upward mobility. In return, employers wanted their employees to stay loyal to them by not leaving their jobs. However, in the 80s, employees stop being loyal and jumped jobs to get pay increases. In return, employers stopped investing in their employees and focused on their bottom lines. Hence, we are in the pickle we are today because employers are longer providing that support to their employees and the government isn't either. Thus, there is class stagnation and only those rich enough to support themselves and their kin have any chance at bettering themselves.
It is a pickle. And it's such a fundamental difference between parties.
Overall I think we should help those who help themselves.
If you're a hardworking, law abiding citizen who is trying to make yourself in a better spot, let's help you get there together.
I do not think college is a privilege.
I know (and read) people think some unfortunate class of citizens just want a handout and they are freeloaders and looking to just get their super higher salary of $15 an hour and be set for life but I'll tell you something - there's A LOT of privileged folks who went off to college and coasted through and got a job at daddy's company because he's related to the CEO and he's the laziest employee. Happens all the time. All the time.
So I'm for the little guy. The little guy who wants to work and stand on his own two feet. I'm all about helping him out. That's just my take on it.
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LSP2005
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Eatingmyveggies, I think there are a lot of incredibly frustrated people who feel that others don't pull their weight and just take or take advantage of the law. I have a couple of very republican friends, and what they post on fb is that they are frustrated by having to pay taxes and not seeing its benefits. I do think that it is a me first, self sufficiency attitude instead of a shared burden.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by LSP2005
Eatingmyveggies, I think there are a lot of incredibly frustrated people who feel that others don't pull their weight and just take or take advantage of the law. I have a couple of very republican friends, and what they post on fb is that they are frustrated by having to pay taxes and not seeing its benefits. I do think that it is a me first, self sufficiency attitude instead of a shared burden.
I can see that. It seems we need reform on many things.
I just think it would be good if people had a chance to move ahead. I'm all for increasing the wages of low income people and maybe then they will get off govt assistance after some time has passed. To me, it can't go both ways.
You can't deny people a (sort of) living wage and then expect them to manage on their own.
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LSP2005
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Although a democrat, I am not in favor of a $15 minimum wage. $12 or $13, yes, but not 15 so quickly. If you said, phase it in over ten years, I would have been ok. I have a number of reasons, prices for everyone will rise, making the huge raise, moot. At $15 there will be a huge incentive for business owners to invest in technology rendering minimum wage jobs obsolete, forcing more people into unemployment and on more subsidies. Skilled workers salaries that require training and college are not rising in lock step with the minimum wage.
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I think the more people earn, the more they spend.. Much less people on welfare or qualifying for it .. Which all helps out the economy as a whole - from big box stores to mom & pops. Thriving - more jobs created - all is well. Isn't that common sense?
When you feel good about your finances, you spend freely. When you're down and out and counting pennies, you're not out spending. And you certainly aren't spending in mom & pops which tend to be a bit higher
The current system is benefiting one one portion of our people. And that's how those on the true top seem to want it to remain.
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LSP2005
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
In order for that to happen, we need a solid middle class. Perhaps we need two different minimum wages, one for no skill jobs and another for college degree jobs. Back in the 1970s that existed. We also have to deal with corporations like walmart who force employees on welfare to subsidize their employment by not giving employees full time work.
The elephant in the room is that in the 1940s-1980s women were generally not in the workforce. We have twice as many people vying for jobs which forces wages lower because of the ready supply of increased workers.
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Xelindrya
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Here's what I always get confused about. Someone help me here. People who are "fiscally conservative" aren't for raising wages or govt aid like welfare, and they tend to think college and all higher Ed is a privilege.
Those are their beliefs, fine.
But how do people get by then? How do you better yourself?
If you're working full time at a fast food joint (and it's rare you can land a full time gig, as they hire a bunch of part timers) and you're not on govt aid, and you're trying to scrape pennies to attend this amazing privilege like college - and it's taking forever. Or when you finally have saved enough or your working a ton and juggling it all - Slave wages in between classes .. Then what? How do you do that while living in your own? Having a car? Just the basics in life? How do you do that?
I know people say "oh I did it! I worked THREE JOBS!" But it shouldn't be that way. And the people that always say that always forget that they had help in some form - living with family, with parents, had some financial help from the start, had a spouse or got married as soon as college loans came rolling in - with two incomes to help.
And how do you work making such low pay… But then the cost of your medicine is so high?
Basically… What happens to all those people who were able bodied and willing to work… But maybe don't have the advantages that other people have ? Do they not deserve to get ahead?
I just don't understand how anyone can think People should deal with their low-wage jobs… But then deny them the right for help and education if they need it. Do people actually do the math when they see what 15 an hour comes out to a week ? But people somehow think it's way too much.
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
Because we do.
I have a High School Diploma
My parents are poor
I paid the rent when I lived with them
They never owned a home
My father could not financially support me in anyway
I failed out of college technically
I worked at McDonald's at 16
Minimum wage, right here
I have since then moved to NYC on my own, gotten a job in the WTC, been working in the insurance field since 1997 and currently have a mortgage on my own home. I have owned 5 cars in my own name.
How? Hard work. I have never had food stamps (even when I tried I didn't qualify). I have been without insurance numerous times (including recently when I was unemployed). I have been laid off 3 times. I have held up to three jobs at one point in my life and up to two jobs as recently as when my daughter was still in pre-k.
How do we do it? Because we have to. I didn't take hand outs and I ran out of gas on the work more times than I can count. The guy at the gas station knew I'd only put $2 in and I'd walk to work on the days I ran out. I spent two years without pots and pans in my apt because I ate only rice, potatoes, corn and jello with koolaid, wine and sodas.
I always knew minimum wage jobs were never meant for me to succeed in life or to get me better in life. It was meant to just network and get me from point A to point B. That's all it was. I was working as a Cashier in Burlington Coat Factory when a frequent customer asked if I ever thought of something better and of course I said yes and nearly interviewed on the spot. Weeks later she came and asked me to truly come and apply for a marketing director role. I took it. It was horrible. I then applied as a receptionist in insurance and pushed for my license. I now hold 3 professional designations (nearly 4) and have worked for the largest insurance brokers in the world. I've handled some of the largest companies in the world as well.
Just this lowly High School Graduate who once lived in an apt so roach infested that they'd crawl up the blankets when you slept. That the walls moved with their bodies. This no one who worked at McDonald's putting in double shifts. This simple girl who remembered it's only what I do and how I act that people remember me, NO ONE knows who I was, only who I am. My father wasn't allowed to have food stamps after the divorce but later we were on them for a short time. I've drank powdered milk, lived short time in a battered women's shelter (thanks mom) and seen what the 'system' looks like and who uses it from both sides of the fence when I ended up volunteering for the State Food Stamp office myself.
How do you expect people to make it on minimum wage? How do we pay for meds? We just do.
College IS a privilege. One I went back to actually with a 4.0 GPA but didn't finish because why bother?
Guess what? EVERY single job I apply for requires a Bachelor's or above.. It has never once stopped me.
I still believe hard work CAN mean something.
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Millie3
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
Yes it hurts to basically hand over half of what you earn.
Just curious, did you receive financial aid when you attended college?
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Here's what I always get confused about. Someone help me here. People who are "fiscally conservative" aren't for raising wages or govt aid like welfare, and they tend to think college and all higher Ed is a privilege.
Those are their beliefs, fine.
But how do people get by then? How do you better yourself?
The fight for free tuition stems from the rising cost of college today. When the government starts funding the higher education system it will naturally lead to control over what they teach. (once again, my belief for smaller government involvement in education) I think access to college should be a right but actually attending is a privilege. The problem with these kids today is that they don't view it that way. I’d like to see more American kids get invested in their own educations, and should be taught as early as possible . How about we educate kids better through age 18? By that time, they'll have the skill set to move on to trade schools, colleges. The free market system will allow for these schools to admit them. It's an investment. If the government provides loan forgiveness assistance and funds tuition, it will be very hard to get some kids to understand how important and valuable school is to their lives.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Here's what I always get confused about. Someone help me here. People who are "fiscally conservative" aren't for raising wages or govt aid like welfare, and they tend to think college and all higher Ed is a privilege.
Those are their beliefs, fine.
But how do people get by then? How do you better yourself?
If you're working full time at a fast food joint (and it's rare you can land a full time gig, as they hire a bunch of part timers) and you're not on govt aid, and you're trying to scrape pennies to attend this amazing privilege like college - and it's taking forever. Or when you finally have saved enough or your working a ton and juggling it all - Slave wages in between classes .. Then what? How do you do that while living in your own? Having a car? Just the basics in life? How do you do that?
I know people say "oh I did it! I worked THREE JOBS!" But it shouldn't be that way. And the people that always say that always forget that they had help in some form - living with family, with parents, had some financial help from the start, had a spouse or got married as soon as college loans came rolling in - with two incomes to help.
And how do you work making such low pay… But then the cost of your medicine is so high?
Basically… What happens to all those people who were able bodied and willing to work… But maybe don't have the advantages that other people have ? Do they not deserve to get ahead?
I just don't understand how anyone can think People should deal with their low-wage jobs… But then deny them the right for help and education if they need it. Do people actually do the math when they see what 15 an hour comes out to a week ? But people somehow think it's way too much.
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
Many people stop and get coffee and a breakfast item in the morning, maybe at a deli, bakery or DD. How often would you go if your price doubled overnight? I know if I stopped for coffee every morning and it cost $2, I'd have no problem with it. If I stopped one day and the same cup was $4, I would have a big problem with it and would not go anymore. The cost of all of your everyday items will rise if the minimum wage were to go to $15 per hour. I know many small business people that will tell you every time they raise prices, they see a drop in sales. If you raise their payroll drastically, they will have to lay people off and also raise prices. Now, most people on this sites pay will not increase because of minimum wage, so the cost is being passed along to everyone here.
I have a question for you and am interested to see how you would handle this. Say you have 5 employees, A makes $9, B makes $10, C makes $11, D makes $13 and E makes $15 per hour. Now, the minimum wage is increased to $15 per hour, how would you handle the increase for all of these employees?
When most people think of raising minimum wage increases, they think of Walmart and McDonald's, but they forget the small business that will suffer greatly.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Here's what I always get confused about. Someone help me here. People who are "fiscally conservative" aren't for raising wages or govt aid like welfare, and they tend to think college and all higher Ed is a privilege.
Those are their beliefs, fine.
But how do people get by then? How do you better yourself?
If you're working full time at a fast food joint (and it's rare you can land a full time gig, as they hire a bunch of part timers) and you're not on govt aid, and you're trying to scrape pennies to attend this amazing privilege like college - and it's taking forever. Or when you finally have saved enough or your working a ton and juggling it all - Slave wages in between classes .. Then what? How do you do that while living in your own? Having a car? Just the basics in life? How do you do that?
I know people say "oh I did it! I worked THREE JOBS!" But it shouldn't be that way. And the people that always say that always forget that they had help in some form - living with family, with parents, had some financial help from the start, had a spouse or got married as soon as college loans came rolling in - with two incomes to help.
And how do you work making such low pay… But then the cost of your medicine is so high?
Basically… What happens to all those people who were able bodied and willing to work… But maybe don't have the advantages that other people have ? Do they not deserve to get ahead?
I just don't understand how anyone can think People should deal with their low-wage jobs… But then deny them the right for help and education if they need it. Do people actually do the math when they see what 15 an hour comes out to a week ? But people somehow think it's way too much.
So when people say that they're fiscally conservative… I just don't understand. How do you expect people to live? On $7 an hour? No chance for education? To better themselves?
Many people stop and get coffee and a breakfast item in the morning, maybe at a deli, bakery or DD. How often would you go if your price doubled overnight? I know if I stopped for coffee every morning and it cost $2, I'd have no problem with it. If I stopped one day and the same cup was $4, I would have a big problem with it and would not go anymore. The cost of all of your everyday items will rise if the minimum wage were to go to $15 per hour. I know many small business people that will tell you every time they raise prices, they see a drop in sales. If you raise their payroll drastically, they will have to lay people off and also raise prices. Now, most people on this sites pay will not increase because of minimum wage, so the cost is being passed along to everyone here.
I have a question for you and am interested to see how you would handle this. Say you have 5 employees, A makes $9, B makes $10, C makes $11, D makes $13 and E makes $15 per hour. Now, the minimum wage is increased to $15 per hour, how would you handle the increase for all of these employees?
When most people think of raising minimum wage increases, they think of Walmart and McDonald's, but they forget the small business that will suffer greatly.
This is my perspective as well. Honestly, if I were a small business owner with these numbers, I would likely let go of one employee, whomever had the least tenure/was the least productive. I would then divide their responsibilities amongst the remaining 4 after raising their salaries to $15 an hour.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Many people stop and get coffee and a breakfast item in the morning, maybe at a deli, bakery or DD. How often would you go if your price doubled overnight? I know if I stopped for coffee every morning and it cost $2, I'd have no problem with it. If I stopped one day and the same cup was $4, I would have a big problem with it and would not go anymore. The cost of all of your everyday items will rise if the minimum wage were to go to $15 per hour. I know many small business people that will tell you every time they raise prices, they see a drop in sales. If you raise their payroll drastically, they will have to lay people off and also raise prices. Now, most people on this sites pay will not increase because of minimum wage, so the cost is being passed along to everyone here.
I have a question for you and am interested to see how you would handle this. Say you have 5 employees, A makes $9, B makes $10, C makes $11, D makes $13 and E makes $15 per hour. Now, the minimum wage is increased to $15 per hour, how would you handle the increase for all of these employees?
When most people think of raising minimum wage increases, they think of Walmart and McDonald's, but they forget the small business that will suffer greatly.
This is my perspective as well. Honestly, if I were a small business owner with these numbers, I would likely let go of one employee, whomever had the least tenure/was the least productive. I would then divide their responsibilities amongst the remaining 4 after raising their salaries to $15 an hour.
Very fair answer, but now you had to let go of someone, and that person that was making more money because they were more skilled is now on the same pay scale as the other three. That won't sit well with that employee.
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LeeCR7
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
My number one quality in a candidate would be one who is independent, not affiliated with either party. George Washington said it best: “However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
After that:
1. Strong belief in separation of church and state
2. Campaign refinance laws--raising money through people rather than SuperPACs and corporations
3. Doesn't demonize any section of Americans (poor, immigrant, women, atheist, etc)
4. Promote compromising rather than seeing it as a weakness and will work with Congress
5. Pursue a balanced budget: this should be a given, but it hasn't been (partially the fault of Congress, of course)
6. Strong trade relations with other countries, but more isolationist in term of allies.
7. Strong emphasis on human rights in the country and beyond
8. Completely change Congress: no more senators who have been elected for 50 years, no more ridiculously high salaries and perks. They should make what the average resident of their state makes; this will be an incentive to make their state better. Ideally, it would go back to what it originally was, largely a volunteer position (I think there was a small stipend) by people who had other jobs. No more career politicians. What do they know about ordinary Americans?
9. Investments in education and infrastructure
10. Pro-science while being respectful of religious beliefs.
I would vote for almost anybody like this, and a person like this is likely to come outside of politics.
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:18 PM |
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
I believe the recent models showed a Big Mac would be roughly 14 cents (give or take) higher if workers received $15 an hour. So I'm not sold on the idea that we would see outrageous price increases.
Would small businesses like a local mom and pop have to increase worked pay to $15? I believe just corporate chains, no?
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:20 PM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Millie3
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
Yes it hurts to basically hand over half of what you earn.
Just curious, did you receive financial aid when you attended college?
No I did not receive any financial aid for college ( I attended a private university). I did, however, take out student loans for law school which I still pay.
I think the the problem is that there are a lot of great pie in the sky ideas but how are we paying for this? On the backs of people who are successful? I love the idea of being penalized for my success.
The fact is that life is hard. And working for your success and facing adversity builds character. On a micro scale, I could insulate my kids' lives so that they never have to struggle with anything but would that really benefit them?
I went to school in South Florida and attended a very racially and economically diverse school. There were always kids that messed around and didn't do their work etc and yeah right now the probably struggle. Meanwhile I know some who were very poor and lived in very bad neighborhoods who worked hard and are very successful now. I think we need, as a society, to stop always thinking of ourselves as victims and start being heroes in our own stories. People need to be empowered instead of being told that they cannot achieve anything without help. When people realize that they have the power to shape their own lives i believe we will see change. Instead, we currently have a government that sees themselves as our parent and us as children to be protected. That does not sit well with me.
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:38 PM |
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Pumpkin1
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:42 PM |
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:43 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$9 vs $15 will equate to more than a 25 cent change in the price of coffee.
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:47 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
Why doesn't the government print more $100 bills and hand them out to everyone?
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| Posted 3/3/16 8:51 PM |
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