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Really good piece written on the state of the world
This is a pretty long read but really worth it. Especially if you are on of the people that thinks anyone that won’t get vaccinated is some Trump supporting hillbilly. I’m not really sure it will have any impact because people have just become so set in their convictions but figured I would post it anyway.
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Sitting here getting my roots and highlights done, unmasked, and this was a great read.
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Really good piece written on the state of the world
Very interesting article. He makes many valid points. Thanks for posting it.
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StaceyWill
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Really good piece written on the state of the world
Very intereresting.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
It's a very good article. I love the way he writes. Itsbabytime, I'm glad you all are well. Thanks for sharing.
At home we are all vaccinated and boosted, and what I'm being left from the article, is that we should be respectful of other's choices. Lots of great points, and still learning.
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Really good piece written on the state of the world
Itsbabytime - thank you for sharing. I hear people say all of the time, it would've been worse if I wasn't vaccinated but then again - I wonder what they are comparing it to.
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Itsbabytime - thank you for sharing. I hear people say all of the time, it would've been worse if I wasn't vaccinated but then again - I wonder what they are comparing it to.
Totally agree and didn’t want to quote. No one really knows and everyone gets it so differently. We all had something Christmas night and a few days later and from talking to more people, it seems almost everyone has had some type of cold around the same time. I actually felt better than my vaccinated husband and felt better faster even though we don’t know if it was Covid or not. We had taste and smell though but who knows anymore.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Itsbabytime - thank you for sharing. I hear people say all of the time, it would've been worse if I wasn't vaccinated but then again - I wonder what they are comparing it to.
Totally agree and didn’t want to quote. No one really knows and everyone gets it so differently. We all had something Christmas night and a few days later and from talking to more people, it seems almost everyone has had some type of cold around the same time. I actually felt better than my vaccinated husband and felt better faster even though we don’t know if it was Covid or not. We had taste and smell though but who knows anymore.
The taste and smell issue doesn’t seem to be too common anymore. Of all the people in my unofficial study LOL only two had the issue. One lost smell (was partially vaccinated with Pfizer more than six months ago). The smell is gradually returning now almost 3 weeks later. His wife (fully vaccinated) did not lose smell and either did his kids (unvaccinated). I assume they all had the same strain. One other friend had everything tasting like gasoline for a week (unvaccinated). His wife who presumably had the same strain and also unvaccinated did not have any issues with taste or smell. No one else I know had any issues with taste and smell.
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Itsbabytime - thank you for sharing. I hear people say all of the time, it would've been worse if I wasn't vaccinated but then again - I wonder what they are comparing it to.
Totally agree and didn’t want to quote. No one really knows and everyone gets it so differently. We all had something Christmas night and a few days later and from talking to more people, it seems almost everyone has had some type of cold around the same time. I actually felt better than my vaccinated husband and felt better faster even though we don’t know if it was Covid or not. We had taste and smell though but who knows anymore.
The taste and smell issue doesn’t seem to be too common anymore. Of all the people in my unofficial study LOL only two had the issue. One lost smell (was partially vaccinated with Pfizer more than six months ago). The smell is gradually returning now almost 3 weeks later. His wife (fully vaccinated) did not lose smell and either did his kids (unvaccinated). I assume they all had the same strain. One other friend had everything tasting like gasoline for a week (unvaccinated). His wife who presumably had the same strain and also unvaccinated did not have any issues with taste or smell. No one else I know had any issues with taste and smell.
I heard that too. My hairdresser said she still can’t smell from Christmas. Who knows if these are different strains or just how it affects everyone differently.
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klingklang77
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
Interesting article. I think Omicron has changed a lot of things as of late.
The writer missed a point about Europe and how they have changed a lot of things with regards that a test is now needed in addition to being healed and being vaccinated for a lot more things. They are talking about making restaurants only healed and vaccinated + a test or just a booster. So that means, me who is fully vaccinated as of 4 months ago will need a test in addition to my QR code. When I get a booster, then I don’t need the test. That just came into talks this week. The current rule is that you can only go to a restaurant if you are vaccinated or have recovered.
So I guess you guys can’t use a healed vaccine card, then? We use an app with a QR code.
I have this annoying cold that started yesterday. It’s not getting worse. It’s just there— scratchy throat and headache. No fever or stuffy nose or cough. That’s it. I’m supposed to go back to work on Monday after a long holiday break. Ugh. However, I did a ton of cleaning with bleach, so that may have something to do with it. I’ll see how I feel tomorrow.
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ChilisWife
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
itsbabytime thanks for sharing. we had the almost identical experience your family did over the break. we all got through it just fine without the shot. not saying it was pleasant or fun, but it was like getting a bad cold or mild flu. I know it could have been worse and I am grateful.
Most of our friends and family are vaccinated. Many of them got covid within the past month. Some were the same as us (mild) and some much worse. But some did not get covid at all. So who knows.
I just think saying “thank goodness I got the shot or I would be so much worse or dead” is misguided and based only on what we are told. Because there is literally no way to know how an individual person will react.
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KarenK122
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Really good piece written on the state of the world
Thank you for sharing itsbabytime. I also had a similar experience but I am vaccinated. I am almost positive I got it from school as well. We did not go out for the week prior to Christmas and I was at school for an event during the day and tested positive two days later. My two daughters and husband did not get sick. I was just tired and had minor cold symptoms for a few days. I was more mad I had to quarantine and miss Christmas with my family lol. I know at least 30 people who got Covid the same week and none are more sick than a cold, regardless of vaccination. I personally think there is no difference now between vaccinated and non vaccinated unless people plan on getting boosters every 6 months.
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I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
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I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
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I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
Nope, I would not simplify it this way. People are developing NEW onset kidney failure, NEW onset heart failure, NEW strokes, things that were not previously diagnosed. Prior health issues can be as simple as mildly high blood pressure or being overweight, and sure some people have a big list of medical issues.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
The healthcare worker shortage is due to quarantine rules thou right? I have heard that some ny area hospitals are actually having COVID positive a symptomatic workers come in. Perhaps we wouldn’t have such a shortage if the quarantine period was more in line with when people are actually contagious.
Personally I am vaccinated and I have had covid. However I am not going to get my two younger children vaccinated at this point and I will not receive a booster. I had somewhat serious side effects due to my original J and J vaccine while having an extremely mild case of covid.
But it boggles my mind when there are people on here (and IRL) that actually think if you are not going to get vaccinated and you contract covid you will get seriously ill and probably die. People being told they are stupid for not getting vaccinated. It’s crazy how people can think they are absolutely positive about their own position on vaccination when both this virus and the vaccine are very new. The only thing I can say with conviction is that we still know very little about both.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
This exact thing just happened to my dad. He was admitted for a foot ulcer and tested positive 2 weeks into his stay- they only tested him so he could be discharged to rehab and he was positive. So he was transferred to the covid unit because they couldn’t send him home and the rehab wouldn’t take him. It was a disaster.
So, I would guess this also happens to others- they are hospitalized covid patients, but covid isn’t why they were initially hospitalized.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
Nope, I would not simplify it this way. People are developing NEW onset kidney failure, NEW onset heart failure, NEW strokes, things that were not previously diagnosed. Prior health issues can be as simple as mildly high blood pressure or being overweight, and sure some people have a big list of medical issues.
Yes, this is what the nurses caring for my dad also said. They had a lot of patients in really rough shape. They were absolutely wonderful.
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
This exact thing just happened to my dad. He was admitted for a foot ulcer and tested positive 2 weeks into his stay- they only tested him so he could be discharged to rehab and he was positive. So he was transferred to the covid unit because they couldn’t send him home and the rehab wouldn’t take him. It was a disaster.
So, I would guess this also happens to others- they are hospitalized covid patients, but covid isn’t why they were initially hospitalized.
Yup and I had a friend who when this all started got Covid from her stay having a hysterectomy. Luckily she was able to go home though and get better there, only after giving it to her husband and 1 child. The other child never got it.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
The healthcare worker shortage is due to quarantine rules thou right? I have heard that some ny area hospitals are actually having COVID positive a symptomatic workers come in. Perhaps we wouldn’t have such a shortage if the quarantine period was more in line with when people are actually contagious.
Personally I am vaccinated and I have had covid. However I am not going to get my two younger children vaccinated at this point and I will not receive a booster. I had somewhat serious side effects due to my original J and J vaccine while having an extremely mild case of covid.
But it boggles my mind when there are people on here (and IRL) that actually think if you are not going to get vaccinated and you contract covid you will get seriously ill and probably die. People being told they are stupid for not getting vaccinated. It’s crazy how people can think they are absolutely positive about their own position on vaccination when both this virus and the vaccine are very new. The only thing I can say with conviction is that we still know very little about both.
Exactly so no one can say how they would fair with or without a vaccine with Covid.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
Nope, I would not simplify it this way. People are developing NEW onset kidney failure, NEW onset heart failure, NEW strokes, things that were not previously diagnosed. Prior health issues can be as simple as mildly high blood pressure or being overweight, and sure some people have a big list of medical issues.
Yes, this is what the nurses caring for my dad also said. They had a lot of patients in really rough shape. They were absolutely wonderful.
Unfortunately thou, when it comes to the elderly, even a bad cold can cause complications. We have always known the very young and older populations are much more susceptible to viruses like the flu. I wouldn’t assume covid was any different. But speaking anecdotally, you just aren’t hearing about healthly, young and middle aged people being hospitalized with covid anymore. Are they out there? I’m sure they are. But it’s not like the first strain of covid when people were dropping like flies. This virus has definitely gotten more contagious and less lethal.
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Re: Really good piece written on the state of the world
Posted by lululu
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Posted by LastLightGlow
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I get the perspective from the article and what you are saying. There are a lot of unknowns and it is natural to use your own experiences and well as the people around you to try to make some sense of things. With that said, hospitals are back in surge mode with unprecedented healthcare worker shortages. The vast majority of these hospitalized patients are not fully vaccinated. Some of them had the first two vaccinations last spring, but nearly none had the booster. If a vaccinated person spreads Covid, generally it would be at a lower viral load, making the infected have a milder case, regardless of vaccination status. While most people will recover, there are limited beds and staff for other non Covid patients. People are being sent home who should remain admitted for evaluation. Some of them end up returning when it’s too late. What we are seeing now are the aftershocks of Covid creating a public health crisis. I’m not telling you to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated, this is just my perspective, as someone who has seen hundreds of Covid cases.
How long are these people staying in the hospital? Are they mild cases that people, who normally run to the ER for anything have? Are people still on vents like 2020?
They remain in hospital until they no longer need high levels of oxygen support, which can be more than a week for many. There are a few mild cases that are discharged after a few days. Some end up on vents but not nearly as many as the initial surge. Many stay weeks to months because of complications such as kidney failure, heart failure, stroke, delirium, exacerbations of prior conditions like diabetes.
So basically many have issues before coming in and have to stay because they got Covid on top of those issues.
I have only heard of perfectly healthy people on vents on this board too as it sounds like many have underlying issues and the vent is the last resort they do now.
Nope, I would not simplify it this way. People are developing NEW onset kidney failure, NEW onset heart failure, NEW strokes, things that were not previously diagnosed. Prior health issues can be as simple as mildly high blood pressure or being overweight, and sure some people have a big list of medical issues.
Yes, this is what the nurses caring for my dad also said. They had a lot of patients in really rough shape. They were absolutely wonderful.
Unfortunately thou, when it comes to the elderly, even a bad cold can cause complications. We have always known the very young and older populations are much more susceptible to viruses like the flu. I wouldn’t assume covid was any different. But speaking anecdotally, you just aren’t hearing about healthly, young and middle aged people being hospitalized with covid anymore. Are they out there? I’m sure they are. But it’s not like the first strain of covid when people were dropping like flies. This virus has definitely gotten more contagious and less lethal.
The issue is that while it is less lethal, it is more contagious.
If 100 people get the more lethal variant and 10% of people require hospitalization. - that’s 10 hospitalizations.
If it’s more contagious, more people get it. So if 500 people get the more contagious variant but only 2% of people require hospitalization, that’s still 10 people who require hospitalization.
While being less lethal is good from an individual perspective, being more contagious is not good for the hospital system at large.
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