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amac27
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A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Before I ask this question, I want to say that I am one of those people who is firmly in the middle. I am scared of the virus, but also worried about the economy.
If you are one of those people who are willing to quarantine for an extended period and who are calling people who are not "Karens" and idiots, what is your honest solution for those who are seriously struggling right now? Not everyone who wants this quarantine to end wants to go out and get a manicure. Some people are literally starving. There are small business owners that are going to lose everything. There are children with special needs that are regressing terribly. There are people worried about losing their jobs either because of this situation or because they are juggling homeschooling and their jobs. There are spouses and children being abused and ignored because everyone is focused on COVID.
I am listening to the experts and I understand that this is serious, but what about other things that are serious? What do you honestly expect people to do? Just suck it up? Unemployment isn't as easy to get as you seem to think and it isn't a long term solution.
I am honestly curious as to what your solution is to these situations?
Before all of the people who are over it jump on with their snarky comments, I would like to hear an honest answer to this question from those people who totally fine with this situation.
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A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I don't think anyone is "totally fine" with this situation. I know I am one of the lucky ones who is working from home and for the most part have everything I need and want. I recognize how lucky I am every day. But I am not fine with this going on indefinitely, either. I do think I am more on the side of extending it somewhat now, so that it isn't worse down the road, probably more so than some others.
I am also very afraid of the impact on our economy. But I do think that if we just open the flood gates, so to speak, the impact on the economy could be even worse. I am not particularly worried about getting the virus myself, but what it has and can continue to do to our way of life - socially and economically.
I don't know what the answer is. I do think there are some small businesses throughout the entire state that could safely open now - with safety measures in place - like a small little boutique or gift shop maybe, dog groomers, maybe restaurants with outdoor seating (and I'm sure others i can't think of right now) If there was some mechanism for that, I think it would be a start. But I do think if we do this too quickly, there will be an even greater price to pay down the road.
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Hopefulmama
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Im also wondering if a lot of the moms in support of extended shutdowns are juggling working from home and homeschooling, or if they are stay at home moms. I respect the hell out of stay at home moms as I used to be one, but I will say they have a huge advantage right now, to be able to focus entirely on home schooling.
Eta- I don’t think it is safe for schools to open in fall - but I acknowledge how hugely burdensome this is for parents and children, and the psychological toll it will bring. I’m not smug about it.
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Naturalmama
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Hopefulmama
Im also wondering if a lot of the “quarantine forever” moms are juggling working from home and homeschooling, or if they are stay at home moms. I respect the hell out of stay at home moms as I used to be one, but I will say they have a huge advantage right now.
Eta- I don’t think it is safe for schools to open in fall - but I acknowledge how hugely burdensome this is for parents and children, and the psychological toll it will bring. I’m not smug about it.
I think May is a little early to say schools will not be ready to open in the fall. We were able to make so much progress in such a short window. Less than 2 months in lockdown, and we are right back to where we were in late March.
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chilltocam
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Hopefulmama
Im also wondering if a lot of the “quarantine forever” moms are juggling working from home and homeschooling, or if they are stay at home moms i
First, I hate that term - NO ONE wants this forever. But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if a lot of the people who would rather extend this than risk a severe second wave are front line medical professionals who see the devastation every day, up close and in their faces.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Hey guys remember this?
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Hopefulmama
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Hopefulmama
Im also wondering if a lot of the “quarantine forever” moms are juggling working from home and homeschooling, or if they are stay at home moms i
First, I hate that term - NO ONE wants this forever. But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if a lot of the people who would rather extend this than risk a severe second wave are front line medical professionals who see the devastation every day, up close and in their faces.
Fair point, I changed my wording.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Mrs213
Hey guys remember this?
Lol, I don’t have a whole lot of recreational activities in front of me right now. Single mom with three kids, no adult company in 3 months. I’ll take the bait!
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Mrs213
Hey guys remember this?
The long forgotten dead horse! Haven't seen it in ages!
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MC09
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Mrs213
Hey guys remember this?
The long forgotten dead horse! Haven't seen it in ages!
That's because there hasn't been a good drama thread in ages  everybody jumped ship a long time ago. Even the moderators who refuse to fix the time stamp 
We should start a new drama thread or rehash an old one to wake this place up.
Icicle lights are trash!
Diabetics need to eat bananas in the supermarket (but not with a mask on) and idle in their cars in parking lots!
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Hofstra26
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by MC09
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Mrs213
Hey guys remember this?
The long forgotten dead horse! Haven't seen it in ages!
That's because there hasn't been a good drama thread in ages everybody jumped ship a long time ago. Even the moderators who refuse to fix the time stamp
We should start a new drama thread or rehash an old one to wake this place up.
Icicle lights are trash!
Diabetics need to eat bananas in the supermarket (but not with a mask on) and idle in their cars in parking lots!
The good old days! LOLOL
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A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I think everyone wants things to open up which is fine it needs to open, but everyone out there not willing to do this anymore and not following any precautions is just pushing things further out, there’s another post discussing the metrics, many areas are now increasing in hospitalizations and deaths... so... if we want things to open, people NEED to take precautions so that they can. Everyone demanding an opening isn’t going to change elected officials minds.
I think that after things open, it’s up to the business to have a plan in place to keep employees and shoppers safe that aligns with guidance from scientist/ state. If people want to choose to subsequently quarantine after things are open I think it’s their choice and no judgment passed
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I think everyone is scared of the unknown.
and I think everyone has the right to do what they feel is safe for them and their families. But at what point do we have to take that leap? I know people who have had heart surgery pushed off due to this. People not getting mammograms or melanoma checks. Transplants being held off, the list goes on. Every day we live we have the chance to die. Driving cars, swimming in oceans, just out walking. This is so scary. But how many moms feared sending their kids to schools or malls or movies when there was so many school shootings? I hated dropping my daughter off and sighed in relief when I got her home. Sending your kids out to college or when they first start driving all scary!
There is so much uncertainty in the world. But other things are hurting. How many kids are in households getting abused with no one to turn too.
The death rate from this is low. I don't have the "source" to give numbers but there is so much more at stake.
And if a vaccine comes out. How do we give it to our kids or family without knowing what it could do down the road.
Too bad Mars wasn't open yet lol!
I support everyones opinions and to do whet they need to stay safe as I wish people would accept mine.
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Lemon76
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I am NOT willing to quarantine for an extended period which is why I get so angry seeing people out and about living their lives as if nothing is going on. I wish everyone would just stay the heck at home so that this CAN be over. I am ANGRY at the fact that we are STILL locked down. I want to go back to life as usual, I want to go back to work, I want my kids to go back to school, I want to be able to see my friends and family. So I am following the "stay at home order" and only going out for essentials. Every time my neighbors have all their kids friends over and I see all the moms sitting around chatting, I want to SCREAM. On mothers day, another neighrbors ENTIRE family came to her house. They were all in and out of the house all day, no masks, hugs all around. It is infuriating to me.
So no ... I am not willing to do this longer than expected and I blame those who ARE NOT following the order for the fact that we are still living like this. I feel that we can AVOID a second wave if everyone stops the nonsense.
Stepping off now... my mental state has not been great lately. My anger grows every day
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Hopefulmama
Im also wondering if a lot of the moms in support of extended shutdowns are juggling working from home and homeschooling, or if they are stay at home moms. I respect the hell out of stay at home moms as I used to be one, but I will say they have a huge advantage right now, to be able to focus entirely on home schooling.
Eta- I don’t think it is safe for schools to open in fall - but I acknowledge how hugely burdensome this is for parents and children, and the psychological toll it will bring. I’m not smug about it.
I’m not a quarantine forever but I really don’t have an opinion on it all. I’m just doing what I’m supposed to be. I’m going out shopping and I actually enjoy being home. And yup I’m working full time and home schooling. We all WFH right now.
We make it work and if I have to do this for an extended period of time I’ll do it......why.....to save more lives. I have seen too many have loved ones die. My father is working like crazy in FL because he works In cremation. I won’t second guess the expects. Because they are just that experts. And in the end do people really think they could do a better job.
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ChilisWife
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
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Lemon76
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Same here, Al. Don't ant to quarantine forever. No opinion other than to listen to the experts. Despite what people are saying, I don't know anyone who's being accused of wanting to quarantine forever who, in actuality, feels any differently you do. But why should the truth get in the way of a really convenient straw man theory and an outlet for rage?
At the end of the day, places can open all they want. But when reckless people get hit hard and lose their long term health, lives, and family, and others exercise their option to protect themselves, there will be more economic and other harm than we can imagine. No one chose this.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
I totally get this and we've been following the stay at home orders. But, is June 1 going to be safer? August? When? I feel like we've flattened the curve so that the hospitals are not overwhelmed. So, at some point we need to get out of the house. But, it's never going to be 100% safe.
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Naturalmama
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
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I would love to go out and act like this pandemi is over but it is not over until its really over, and that means to a degree where infection levels are at an all time low. China is still reporting small outbreaks in the lower single digits but every one there is adhering to the social distancing/masks everywhere rule.
Until more data and scientific papers are released, I will not feel comfortable going out of my house except for essential items. It has been almost 2 months and there are still many things the world doesn't know about this virus. We did learn that the likelihood of mutation is very low, and that the highest percentage of transmission instances remain mostly between those who show symptoms. But until leaders and scientists can be more transparent about these questions that are still open in my head, I will not rely on any politician's rhetoric about it "being safe now to go out".
1. the stats on who actually is testing positive NOW after being under a 1+ month lockdown. Suffolk infection rates have been trending in the 200+ digits while Nassau is going under 150 for a few days now. WHO are these people? How often have they left the house? are they front line workers or bored 20somethings going out joyriding with their friends?
2. stats on how many of the tests actually conducted to date were on people with NO symptoms (asymptomatic v. pre-symptomatic).
3. # of people who had false negative results and which hospitals/UC centers are using which tests. We now know the Abbott test int he WH has a 15% false negative rate. Its not reassuring to think you are negative and you unknowingly keep infecting other people.
4. whether the numbers on the NY Covid Tracker web site include people who tested positive previously and have recovered (thus tested negative) or if they are doing proper follow ups (I have read of some people who continue to test positive even when they are no longer smyptomatic). Also, more research on transmission--- If I got infected just going to the grocery store, and was wearing mask, goggles, gloves and was careful - how and why did this happen?
5. More clarity and transparency from NY State as to when they can successfully initiate tracing and isolation procedures. If someone walks in as positive, are they really doing a good job of tracing where they were, who they talked to and all this info within the past 2 weeks? If someone tests positive, how can i be sure that person isnt going to just say "ok" and then 4 days later go out to Dunkin Donuts for coffee assuming they are safe?? How can I protect myself from the Covidiots?
So I continue to wait for the science to catch up and inform us of more information. Until then, I will remain in this awful holding pattern of watch and wait.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
People cannot live in isolation forever. It's NOT enough to have a video chat or talk on the phone, human beings are social creatures and crave socialization, togetherness and human touch. I went out to LI two weeks ago and went all over and saw family and friends (6 ft apart outside) and it was the BEST thing I did for myself emotionally and mentally. I can't tell you the difference it made in my head space to see people I love! I needed to see and talk to another human being, the isolation of being at home is becoming too much. DH, the kids and I also go to parks and we hike and we go get food and "picnic" in our car. Why? Because we aren't meant to live like this, NOTHING about this situation is sustainable. I REFUSE to be stuck at home forever like this so we are going out in a safe manner and enjoying what we can.
It's been almost TEN WEEKS!! How long do you think people can follow STRICT stay-at-home orders? I was all in on doing this at first but even I am cracking. I cannot take this way of living. I miss my family, my friends, and everything about what it means to LIVE. Staying home was NEVER meant to eradicate this virus anyway, it was to slow the progression and not overwhelm the hospital. We have accomplished that. Time to move on.
We HAVE to get back to life now. We cannot shutter any longer for the "greater good". People NEED their jobs, people NEED their income, people NEED to see their doctors regularly because while we're all sitting at home we could have cancer or be on the verge of a heart attack and had we been able to seek routine medical care maybe they could catch it. People NEED their families and friends, people NEED to breathe freely and live life. And what about people who are all alone at home with nobody? What about people who are abuse victims? How about those who suffer from addictions and mental health issues? What about ALL of these things that also MATTER?? There is life and problems and issues beyond this virus, it is NOT the end all and be all and I wish people would stop treating it as such.
So as for STRICT stay-at-home orders, I AM 100% DONE. My mental health cannot take anymore of this. I would rather risk it all and get back to life because this situation is INTOLERABLE and NONE of us are living right now, we're simply existing. So I will continue to go see people when I can, go to my doctor when I can, go out to eat and picnic, go to parks, go for hikes and get outdoors because I am sick and tired of this stay-at-home crap and refuse to sit home in a bubble and wait it out.
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Naturalmama
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A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
NY/NJ/CT will open beaches the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Including those in regions that are still on Pause. It sounded like Cuomo was pushed to do it because CT & NJ said they were doing it, and he didn't want New Yorkers overcrowding the NJ & CT beaches.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Naturalmama
NY/NJ/CT will open beaches the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Including those in regions that are still on Pause. It sounded like Cuomo was pushed to do it because CT & NJ said they were doing it, and he didn't want New Yorkers overcrowding the NJ & CT beaches.
I posted this yesterday about Nj when Murphy announced it. I was confused because Murphy did say he did it in accordance with Ny and CT. So I was surprised no one mentioned it about NY. I guess Cuomo was trying not to do it.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
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