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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by drpepper318
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
Agreed. We already have cold, hard data that supports the view that lockdowns DO WORK. Look at New Zealand. Any government that immediately took action, locked down, and initiated strict Testing and Tracing protocols were able to control the spread much better than counties, like ours, that were a complete disaster. I am amazed at New York's numbers right now and love how many of us have changed our personal behavior and stayed home to limit the spread.
As much as some here hate Cuomo and give him stupid nicknames like the "King" I credit him for saving my own life! If it werent for the lockdowns, I would have been blissfully unaware of the dangers I was potentially exposing myself as I had concert and event tickets / restaurant events booked for every weekend in March. My last event was a Carnegie Hall concert on March 7th, I had no idea the virus was already circulating around Manhattan because stupid DeBozo said it wasnt and told people that 1st week of March to go out and see a da$% Broadway show!! I am shocked I didnt get the virus (or maybe I did, I had a horrible sore throat in mid March and was able to get a Z pack from a telemed website Dr, but tested negative for Covid 1.5 weeks later). I could easily have been hospitalized. I understand people are economically hurt, but I would rather be an unemployed worker than a DEAD worker.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
The thing is, NO ONE followed "strict" stay at home orders... or at least, very few people did. From the beginning there were people having "socially distant" gatherings. We should have done what Italy did and SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. No take out, no "curbside" delivery at places like Best Buy... legitimate grocery stores and pharmacies only.
People are selfish and refused to stay at home. Target is PACKED and has been since the beginning. People are out shopping, and visiting, "but we are 6 feet apart"... SMH
If everyone, and I mean EVERYONE would actually follow and adhere to a STRICT stay at home order, then we would be mostly out of the woods. But people didn't and here we are. Because "this is America and I have rights"... for F*CKS sake.... I firmly believe that had we from the beginning shut everything down except for hospitals, and limited the amount of people allowed in grocery stores, and shut down "big box" stores, then we would be ahead of this by now. But god forbid someone misses their Target run.
I am more than ready to go back to work and for my kids to go back to school. I was ready a month ago. But for every person having a "socially distant" gathering, we are adding weeks to this. It is infuriating to me. I have left my home exactly 5 times in 10 weeks... and each time was to go to buy groceries for my kids. Other than that, we are home, in our own backyard only or inside our home. I really think that if everyone had done that, then we would be ready to begin opening back up. YES this was intended to flatten the curve, but its been pretty stagnant and its going to go back up as more and more people decide they are done.
I am angry. I am done. I want everyone to have their life back but we cannot have it because of the selfishness of others.
1. Stores need to reopen
2. Kids need school
But someone elses "need" to have a "socially distant" cup of coffee is preventing those things from happening and I am ANGRY about it.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
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Posted by drpepper318
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
Agreed. We already have cold, hard data that supports the view that lockdowns DO WORK. Look at New Zealand. Any government that immediately took action, locked down, and initiated strict Testing and Tracing protocols were able to control the spread much better than counties, like ours, that were a complete disaster. I am amazed at New York's numbers now and as much as some here hate Cuomo and give him stupid nicknames like the "King" I credit him for saving my own life! If it werent for the lockdowns, I would have been blissfully unaware of the dangers I was potentially exposing myself as I had concert and event tickets for all weekends every March. My last event was a Carnegie Hall concert on March 7th, I had no idea the virus was already circulating around Manhattan because stupid DeBozo said it wasnt and told people that 1st week of March to go out and see a da$% Broadway show. I am shocked I didnt get the virus (or maybe I did, I had a horrible sore throat in mid March and was able to get a Z pack from a telemed website Dr, but tested negative for Covid 1.5 weeks later). I could easily have been hospitalized. I understand people are economically hurt, but I would rather be an unemployed worker than a DEAD worker.
Some would argue that being homeless is not better than being dead. I am not saying that is my argument, I am just saying there are people who feel that way.
I get what you are saying, and for certain members of the population, it makes sense to think that way. But some people are literally starving. STARVING. Livelihoods destroyed, and so much more. I am 100% for a slow and phased reopening. I have never had an issue with that. But these metrics will NEVER be met in places like LI & NYC. They just won't. So then what? Does the economic hub of the country just stay shut indefinitely while everyone else moves on? I think we have made enough progress where we should be allowed to start. Very slowly, but still a tiny little start. If they are waiting for numbers to drop to near zero, that will simply never happen.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by drpepper318
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
Agreed. We already have cold, hard data that supports the view that lockdowns DO WORK. Look at New Zealand. Any government that immediately took action, locked down, and initiated strict Testing and Tracing protocols were able to control the spread much better than counties, like ours, that were a complete disaster. I am amazed at New York's numbers now and as much as some here hate Cuomo and give him stupid nicknames like the "King" I credit him for saving my own life! If it werent for the lockdowns, I would have been blissfully unaware of the dangers I was potentially exposing myself as I had concert and event tickets for all weekends every March. My last event was a Carnegie Hall concert on March 7th, I had no idea the virus was already circulating around Manhattan because stupid DeBozo said it wasnt and told people that 1st week of March to go out and see a da$% Broadway show. I am shocked I didnt get the virus (or maybe I did, I had a horrible sore throat in mid March and was able to get a Z pack from a telemed website Dr, but tested negative for Covid 1.5 weeks later). I could easily have been hospitalized. I understand people are economically hurt, but I would rather be an unemployed worker than a DEAD worker.
Some would argue that being homeless is not better than being dead. I am not saying that is my argument, I am just saying there are people who feel that way.
I get what you are saying, and for certain members of the population, it makes sense to think that way. But some people are literally starving. STARVING. Livelihoods destroyed, and so much more. I am 100% for a slow and phased reopening. I have never had an issue with that. But these metrics will NEVER be met in places like LI & NYC. They just won't. So then what? Does the economic hub of the country just stay shut indefinitely while everyone else moves on? I think we have made enough progress where we should be allowed to start. Very slowly, but still a tiny little start. If they are waiting for numbers to drop to near zero, that will simply never happen.
Exactly... The metrics will never be met as long as people continue to leave their homes for NON-ESSENTIAL reasons... a cup of coffee with a friend is NOT essential 
Edited to add: before someone says that its "essential" for their mental health, I am not heartless... I GET it... but this is a matter of all of us being able to return to some sense or normalcy and it angers me that some people feel that their social life is more essential than that. Is this hard? yes! It SUCKS! But its necessary and I am SO angry that this keeps getting extended and I blame those people who are going out for anything thats NOT essential... and by essential I mean groceries for their families, medical care, or an emergency.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
The thing is, NO ONE followed "strict" stay at home orders... or at least, very few people did. From the beginning there were people having "socially distant" gatherings. We should have done what Italy did and SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. No take out, no "curbside" delivery at places like Best Buy... legitimate grocery stores and pharmacies only.
People are selfish and refused to stay at home. Target is PACKED and has been since the beginning. People are out shopping, and visiting, "but we are 6 feet apart"... SMH
If everyone, and I mean EVERYONE would actually follow and adhere to a STRICT stay at home order, then we would be mostly out of the woods. But people didn't and here we are. Because "this is America and I have rights"... for F*CKS sake.... I firmly believe that had we from the beginning shut everything down except for hospitals, and limited the amount of people allowed in grocery stores, and shut down "big box" stores, then we would be ahead of this by now. But god forbid someone misses their Target run.
I am more than ready to go back to work and for my kids to go back to school. I was ready a month ago. But for every person having a "socially distant" gathering, we are adding weeks to this. It is infuriating to me. I have left my home exactly 5 times in 10 weeks... and each time was to go to buy groceries for my kids. Other than that, we are home, in our own backyard only or inside our home. I really think that if everyone had done that, then we would be ready to begin opening back up. YES this was intended to flatten the curve, but its been pretty stagnant and its going to go back up as more and more people decide they are done.
I am angry. I am done. I want everyone to have their life back but we cannot have it because of the selfishness of others.
1. Stores need to reopen
2. Kids need school
But someone elses "need" to have a "socially distant" cup of coffee is preventing those things from happening and I am ANGRY about it.
AMEN!!!!  I totally agree.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
In all fairness, do we even have that low of numbers for the flu on any given year?
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by drpepper318
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
Agreed. We already have cold, hard data that supports the view that lockdowns DO WORK. Look at New Zealand. Any government that immediately took action, locked down, and initiated strict Testing and Tracing protocols were able to control the spread much better than counties, like ours, that were a complete disaster. I am amazed at New York's numbers now and as much as some here hate Cuomo and give him stupid nicknames like the "King" I credit him for saving my own life! If it werent for the lockdowns, I would have been blissfully unaware of the dangers I was potentially exposing myself as I had concert and event tickets for all weekends every March. My last event was a Carnegie Hall concert on March 7th, I had no idea the virus was already circulating around Manhattan because stupid DeBozo said it wasnt and told people that 1st week of March to go out and see a da$% Broadway show. I am shocked I didnt get the virus (or maybe I did, I had a horrible sore throat in mid March and was able to get a Z pack from a telemed website Dr, but tested negative for Covid 1.5 weeks later). I could easily have been hospitalized. I understand people are economically hurt, but I would rather be an unemployed worker than a DEAD worker.
Some would argue that being homeless is not better than being dead. I am not saying that is my argument, I am just saying there are people who feel that way.
I get what you are saying, and for certain members of the population, it makes sense to think that way. But some people are literally starving. STARVING. Livelihoods destroyed, and so much more. I am 100% for a slow and phased reopening. I have never had an issue with that. But these metrics will NEVER be met in places like LI & NYC. They just won't. So then what? Does the economic hub of the country just stay shut indefinitely while everyone else moves on? I think we have made enough progress where we should be allowed to start. Very slowly, but still a tiny little start. If they are waiting for numbers to drop to near zero, that will simply never happen.
Exactly... The metrics will never be met as long as people continue to leave their homes for NON-ESSENTIAL reasons... a cup of coffee with a friend is NOT essential
The metrics will NEVER be met period because it would require literally every single person to stay-at-home for months to maybe years. Who will actually do that???
Furthermore, what is ESSENTIAL to YOU may not be what is essential to others. Maybe the alcoholic who is trapped at home alone went for a cup of coffee to talk to his sponsor instead of drinking again. Maybe the person who who is at Home Depot is picking up supplies so he can keep his business going. Maybe it's really not ANYONE'S business what others are doing to survive this nightmare. Everyone is suffering in some way. Period.
It's been almost 10 WEEKS. Most people were compliant in the beginning and doing their best to shutter at home. But after 10 weeks people are depressed, lonely, antsy, afraid for their jobs or livelihoods, missing their families, or suffering from a host of other issues.
Life goes on. It HAS too. Stay-at-home orders aren't going to eradicate this virus and you CANNOT expect people to stay in isolation forever. At this point, those who want to stay-at-home should and those who want to risk going back out to save their jobs, incomes, homes, relationships, mental health, etc should.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Hofstra, I get what you are saying. My point is however though that IF we had done the RIGHT thing back in MARCH and did a COMPLETE 100% full country SEVERE and complete LOCK DOWN like Italy did, we would have been out of this in a month.
One month. That is ALL it would have taken for everyone to be locked in their homes with just their immediate family or whoever they live with.
But we didn't... because "America" and politics and WAYYYYYYY too many chiefs and ZERO planning and a bunch of idiot politicians.
So now here we are. And this is not going to go away. And I am ANGRY. I am DESPERATE for this to be over and I am NOT willing to quarantine forever. I just wish more people had taken this seriously to begin with because now, we have to face the consequences of selfish peoples actions.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
The greatest part about living in a free country, is that I can do what's best for me, and you can do what's best for you (the collective "you" not anyone in particular). You don't get to take away other peoples freedom because you're scared. If you want to live in a strict country, where the government tracks your every move, move to one. Over the years, I've seen so many people on here talk about the importance of mental health and now, I'm pretty sure it's those same people talking about mental health like it's just a ******** reason to leave our houses.
The fact is, you never ever have to be exposed to the virus if you don't want to. Even if you're an essential worker, you can quit your job and stay home, go on food stamps like the people who want to work are being forced to. No one is stopping you.
The idea behind locking everyone down just to make it safe outside for our most vulnerable population isn't smart. The most vulnerable shouldn't be leaving their houses. Most of the elderly are retired and a lot of people that are severely immunocompromised are already on disability. They can stay home without killing our economy.
The government has kept us home by telling us the goal was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm our hospitals. Well here we are, the Navy ship left and the Javits center was never near capacity. The hospitals can handle it. So the government lied, their plan is no new cases before we're allowed to leave our homes and that wasn't the deal.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Lemon76
Hofstra, I get what you are saying. My point is however though that IF we had done the RIGHT thing back in MARCH and did a COMPLETE 100% full country SEVERE and complete LOCK DOWN like Italy did, we would have been out of this in a month.
One month. That is ALL it would have taken for everyone to be locked in their homes with just their immediate family or whoever they live with.
But we didn't... because "America" and politics and WAYYYYYYY too many chiefs and ZERO planning and a bunch of idiot politicians.
So now here we are. And this is not going to go away. And I am ANGRY. I am DESPERATE for this to be over and I am NOT willing to quarantine forever. I just wish more people had taken this seriously to begin with because now, we have to face the consequences of selfish peoples actions.
I hear ya and I do agree with the delay. 100% Sadly, (and not to get too political) we had a president that REFUSED to acknowledge this virus, the REFUSED to listen to medical experts, the WHO and CDC, and who REFUSED to take any action until it was already spreading like wildfire. Had he taken this seriously back in January, perhaps things would have been much better at this point, now we're trying to play catch up.
I am angry and frustrated too so I feel you.  
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
What ppl express gets confusing sometimes. Is this lockdown extended because ppl are not strictly following the rules the government is imposing us like good little boys and girls? Or is it because the spreading is continuing? Because if that’s the case, the numbers would be going up steadily and that’s not the case.
I’ve also noticed how ppl that tend to be ok with a prolonged quarantine are fortunate enough to still work (somewhat), have a roof over their heads, food in the fridge, etc. I wonder if they’d have the same mentality if their situation was different. If they were living a domestic abused life. If they had literally gone through all their savings, maxed out their credit cards, and have zero money come in. If they were falling deeper and deeper into depression to the point where suicide is becoming a real problem to them. If they’re truly struggling with substance abuse, end up using again, and might end up dying because of an overdose. All these situations are very real to many ppl. Sure we’re all having it hard but not at the same degree, we can’t just ignore the real issues these ppl are going thorough where their own life is in jeopardy and judge them because they’re “not following the rules”. I bet our POV would quickly change if we were living in their shoes.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by soontobemommyof2
What ppl express gets confusing sometimes. Is this lockdown extended because ppl are not strictly following the rules the government is imposing us like good little boys and girls? Or is it because the spreading is continuing? Because if that’s the case, the numbers would be going up steadily and that’s not the case.
The spread IS continuing. A plateau doesn’t mean the spread has stopped, it means the spread is remaining at a steady pace, rather than dropping or spiking. It doesn’t have to be spiking to indicate the spread is continuing.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
In all fairness, do we even have that low of numbers for the flu on any given year?
No idea... but this virus is more highly contagious than the flu (thus the crazy number of confirmed cases, hospitalization and death amounts in just 2 months here).
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Again, no one actually answered my question. What do you expect people in desperate situations to do?
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Keep in mind that now China is still having new cases and they locked down completely. I really don’t think that has 100% to do with this. I think it’s here to stay and we have to make this work somehow.
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
In all fairness, do we even have that low of numbers for the flu on any given year?
No idea... but this virus is more highly contagious than the flu (thus the crazy number of confirmed cases, hospitalization and death amounts in just 2 months here).
My question was rhetorical.
166 children alone died from the flu this season. That alone breaches your "safe" level and that's JUST children. Forget about the tens of thousands of others.
What does saying covid is more contagious have to do with anything? Deaths are deaths.
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Sash
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by amac27
Again, no one actually answered my question. What do you expect people in desperate situations to do?
No one will answer that, they skirt around it or ignore it. I asked several times and posted what is actually going on with people. You get crickets!
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:16 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Pomegranate5
166 children alone died from the flu this season.
Anyone know how many children have died of Covid? Just curious.
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:18 AM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I disagree that the reason why we still have new infections is because some people went out to get coffee, etc. We have no idea where the new LI infections are coming from and why. It could be clusters in areas where many people are living together - as Cuomo himself said (I won’t call him King because I know we don’t like silly nicknames like “Orange Man” and “Trumpster” and the like).
I am 100% against this lockdown but I have not seen anyone or left my house in 10 weeks except for my weekly grocery shop, during which I DO wear a mask that I don’t even believe in, and DO socially distance. Everyone I see out is following these guidelines. And even if they are not, a full and complete lockup would still not eradicate this because it only takes ONE super spreader at one large gathering to start this over again. So we literally would need to lock down forever.
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:19 AM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by amac27
Again, no one actually answered my question. What do you expect people in desperate situations to do?
I think someone said they should be happy they aren’t dead and to go to a food bank.
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:20 AM |
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Sash
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by amac27
Again, no one actually answered my question. What do you expect people in desperate situations to do?
I think someone said they should be happy they aren’t dead and to go to a food bank.
And there is also government programs and food stamps for that.
Suck it up buttercups!
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:22 AM |
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Pomegranate5
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Pomegranate5
166 children alone died from the flu this season.
Anyone know how many children have died of Covid? Just curious.
12.
And I was wrong about the total from the flu. The CDC reports that its up to 174 pediatric deaths.
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NervousNell
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Pomegranate5
166 children alone died from the flu this season.
Anyone know how many children have died of Covid? Just curious.
12.
Interesting....
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:34 AM |
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drpepper318
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by ChilisWife
Curious - for those upset that people leave their house or see other people - let’s say everyone actually DID stay home in isolation and was very strict about it. Do you really think then this would be “over?” Do you think the virus would be gone?
Yes, I do believe that the virus would be MUCH less prevalent than it is. I have a very good friend who works in the ER of the medical center (NUMC.. or whatever it is called now) and he said that people are getting complacent, bored, and going out when they do not need to. That if people would all just follow a strict stay at home order except for essentials, that we would see a rapid decline and maybe even prevent a second wave.
I believe wholeheartedly that if EVERYONE (except obvious essential workers) stayed home except to go out for essential things, that we will see a drastic decrease. I do not expect it to magically "go away" but the less people who are exposed to it, the less transmission there is, the less people are sick, the better off we will ALL be and then maybe we will be able to start reopening and get back to some semblance of "normal".
Those who are "social distancing" hanging out with others are selfish IMO. Stay home. It is hard for us all. But unless you NEED to leave your home, stay home... video chat with people, talk on the phone... there is no good reason to see ANYONE in person except for going to the store for essential items. I really feel that if everyone had done this from the beginning, that maybe by now, we would be able to begin phasing out of this.
The fact is, unless we are under a China or Italy style lockdown, where people are forbidden to leave their homes, with militia in the streets, we will never rapidly decline. Other countries shut down their mass transit, no takeout or delivery, no drive through, no going for walks, nothing open but grocery stores.
Big box stores like Target never shut, people are allowed to congregate in large groups without much enforcement, subway cars are still packed during certain times of day...we should have done a FULL lockdown back in March. If we did, we would be halfway out of this by now.
Yes. If people had really locked down without exception, the numbers would have been able to decline to the “safe” level which is considered fewer than 1 new case per 10,000 people (trace and quarantine) and zero covid deaths in 2+ weeks. We’re obviously nowhere near that. It’s plateaued but not continuing to decline because we started all of this too late, I agree that it should have started by March 1st... and it wasn’t strict enough (overcrowding on subways & buses, stores being open, people still getting together, etc). This let numbers get out of control and now it’s harder to fix this especially as people are getting fed up with it all and saying F it, and the numbers stay at the same level or decline much more slowly.
In all fairness, do we even have that low of numbers for the flu on any given year?
No idea... but this virus is more highly contagious than the flu (thus the crazy number of confirmed cases, hospitalization and death amounts in just 2 months here).
My question was rhetorical.
166 children alone died from the flu this season. That alone breaches your "safe" level and that's JUST children. Forget about the tens of thousands of others.
What does saying covid is more contagious have to do with anything? Deaths are deaths.
I’m giving you information. You asked a question based on my comment. Don’t jump at me.
The point about it being more contagious refers to the reason we were/are locked down, versus why we aren’t locked down because of the flu. That is all. You brought up the flu comparison.
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| Posted 5/15/20 11:47 AM |
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marianne13
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Re: A Question for Those Willing to Quarantine for an Extended Period
I am quarantining and have no solution. I am just doing as told and trying to be as careful as I can be. Most of the people on this site live in Nassau or Suffolk. I live in in NYC, Astoria to be exact.
I have been working from home 100% for the last few months. I have no desire to go back to my office but will do so if I am told I have to. I like working from home.
I don't go to stores. I prefer online shopping anyway. My husband goes to the supermarket once a week for us.
I have lost a healthy relative to this virus. I also know of at least two others who have passed away, one elderly and one not. There is no vaccine or cure and I am scared of a second wave. I hope/pray that I am scared for nothing. For a while, the funeral home by my house wasn't even accepting new bodies. They had a disclaimer on their website that unless you had already made arrangements they couldn't take your business. I don't recall ever seeing this in my lifetime- A funeral home too swamped to take any new business. And people aren't even doing the traditional one day long viewings these days! Temporary morgues were set up in Manhattan because funeral homes are busting at the seams.
Businesses, stores and restaurants will open but absent a need such as a time sensitive medical appointment, or to buy food, I am just not ready to go to a public place.
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