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Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
For those who are Pro-Life...a question.
I think we can all basically agree that a baby never really asks to be born. Right?
So...when you have a baby that can't make that choice, is it fair for them to be brought into a world where their parents are crack-heads, their uncle is really their father, the only nutritious thing in the house to eat is a fruit roll up and they are bound to repeat a vicious cycle?
I know pro-life is about LIFE, but how is what I described above a LIFE???
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
link to my answer on the other thread... Adoption. I just cannot write this again and again and for that I am sorry. I just do not have the strength to keep writing the same thing and cry as I write it. 
I hope you understand. However, I do want to answer your post b/c I feel it is important to have these discussions.
ETA: Here's what I wrote on the other thread:
I agree with emilan. It would be a deterant. I also feel that giving up a child for adoption is life altering, gut wrenching AND a selfless, heroic act.
I KNOW what is is like not to have anymore children. I also have a friend who is on bed rest with placenta previa, trying to save the life of her sweet baby girl who they found out has downs via amino. Everyone around her thinks she is crazy for going through this and NOT aborting, not me.
Anyone ever think, WHY so many women adopt from countries outside the US??? There are simply not enough newborn babies or babies under 1 yr old in the country who are not born with fetal alcohol syndrome, addicted to drugs, etc. Plus the laws in this country for adoption are INSANE. you can love a child, have it as your own and the mother can come back up to a year later in some states and take the child away.
If you go to China, yeah you have to stay there for a few weeks and go through paperwork and whatnot, but the mother cannot come back after the adoption is final to take the child from you. Also, they make sure the children are healthy and IF they have a illness they let you know.
Plus, now they are saying if you have a medical condition you cannot adopt from China, Ukraine, and some other places. Chat Icon DOES ANYONE know what it is like to be told that you cannot adopt from a foreign country b/c of a preexisting medical condition, YET there are not enough babies in the US to adopt so the mother who give them up can place them with families who do not have a child already, or with a mom who is not "sick" or to whoever has the biggest bank account. If abortion was illegal, I believe that this situation would not exist for me, for friends and family that really want a baby and cannot have one for whatever reason.
Plus, the baby is Innocent. I mean there was a thread about Palin being a hunter, a lot of folks were disgusted that she would shoot an "innocent animal" yet we are willing to kill the most innocent of all...a defenseless baby. I just do not get it. Chat Icon
Yes, ladies it is YOUR body and YOUR choice and YOUR decision I cannot help but think... for lack of a better term, it seems like you are murdering an innocent life. A life that some people are praying daily for and would give ANYTHING they had just to love that baby. WHY? because it is inconvenient? Because you were not ready for a baby? because it is "easier" on you to kill a baby then to adopt the baby out to someone who would love it? I have heard people say that I could not live with "knowing my baby is out there with another family", but can you live with knowing that you killed your baby? How is that easier? It does not make sense to me.
This is JMHO. some of you actually asked WHY pro-lifers feel they way they do. This is just how I feel about it. It boils down to I cannot see how it is easier kill your baby than to give it up for adoption?
BOTH are HARD but killing a baby...I could not look at myself in the mirror every day for the rest of MY life and not hate myself for that. There is a HUGE difference between killing an innocent baby and corporal punishment (killing someone who has committed a horrific crime - like raping and murdering a child) or hunting a moose. I am on the fence about corporal punishment, but to use the argument that pro-lifers are a walking contradiction, is ludicrous. The difference is ONE life is completely innocent and the other committed a horrific crime. Yes there are people who are wrongfully accused, but if there is DNA evidence and it proves 100% that a person committed a rape and murder of a child (or any other horrific crime) I am all for wiping then off the face of the earth and letting them rot in h3ll. Again, just my honest opinion.
ETA: I really tried to answer your original question, Rach. I have a lot of respect for you to ASK the pro-lifers about why they feel the way they do instead of attacking. As I wrote this the tears are streaming down my cheeks and I am so so so sad. Whenever I hear about someone having an abortion, I feel as though someone pouched me in the stomach and knocked the wind out of me. I saw Gracie's heartbeat via internal sono at 5 weeks pregnant. It was one of the best days of my life. How can anyone see that flicker and NOT be completely in AWE of that miracle?
Can a pro-choicer out there answer that??? I heard and saw a heartbeat. I heard and saw life. I legitimately WANT to know how you can switch off your emotions and say, "that is not a life" at 5 weeks? Then terminate that life. I am really trying to get it and I cannot wrap my brain around it. PLEASE someone, tell me how that is even possible.
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dandr10199
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by MissJones
For those who are Pro-Life...a question.
I think we can all basically agree that a baby never really asks to be born. Right?
So...when you have a baby that can't make that choice, is it fair for them to be brought into a world where their parents are crack-heads, their uncle is really their father, the only nutritious thing in the house to eat is a fruit roll up and they are bound to repeat a vicious cycle?
I know pro-life is about LIFE, but how is what I described above a LIFE???
There are people who have some from worse circumstances and have turned their life into something great. Again, there is always adoption. If the adoption laws were different my Dh and I would adopt as many of these kids as I could, but I CAN'T. Why the state thinks a child living in the conditions you described is more favorable that a mother with a preexisting heart condition and father who is healthy is INSANE. 
ETA: the adoption laws need to change first in the US. I believe that is something that ALL of us can agree on.
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MissJones
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Respectfully, I understand why YOU can not justifiably (sp) and personally have one and honestly, I don't know if I ever could go through with one, either.
But how can you and I take that choice away from someone who can? And to go back to my question, if life is so important and special, what is so special about a life that is filled with nothing but sadness, pain, hunger, torture, fear, anger and god only knows what else.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
ETA: I think the ridiculousness of the whole adoption issue in the US and globally is a WHOLE other topic.
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dandr10199
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by MissJones.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
WHY? If you read both of my posts...then WHY?
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ETA: I think the ridiculousness of the whole adoption issue in the US and globally is a WHOLE other topic.
Are you saying that adoption is ridiculous? What issue about it is ridiculous? The laws?
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
x post sorry
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MissJones
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Posted by MissJones.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
WHY? If you read both of my posts...then WHY?
My goodness, an abundance of reasons. I don't think it's that easy, for one thing. Girls in the ghetto probably are not going to be seeking out a lawyer or agency for one thing.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by MissJones
Posted by dandr10199
Posted by MissJones.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
WHY? If you read both of my posts...then WHY?
My goodness, an abundance of reasons. I don't think it's that easy, for one thing. Girls in the ghetto probably are not going to be seeking out a lawyer or agency for one thing.
I really agree with MissJones. And I would love a statistic of girls who get pregnant, say they are going to give the baby up and then don't b/c they are too attached, but STILL can't provide for that baby??
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MissJones
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Are you saying that adoption is ridiculous? What issue about it is ridiculous? The laws?
Noooooo....I'm agreeing with you! I think it's ridiculous how families with all the love in the world are denied the chance to be parents, not just in the US but worldwide. I'm just saying the ridiculousness of THAT is another thread.
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dandr10199
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Posted by MissJones.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
WHY? If you read both of my posts...then WHY?
My goodness, an abundance of reasons. I don't think it's that easy, for one thing. Girls in the ghetto probably are not going to be seeking out a lawyer or agency for one thing.
I think that is a little presumptuous to assume that all women who live in a Getto would not explore ALL options, but let's say you are right about that.
If adoption laws changed offering these women in gettos and everywhere else proper pre-natal medical care, adoption counseling, psychological counseling after the adoption, I believe that everywhere even in gettos you would see less abortions and more adoptions. Heck, maybe even less unwanted pregnancies. I do not claim to have ALL the answers here. I just believe that if ALL options were as publicized as abortion and if the adoption laws changed, things in the US would be A LOT different. AND that is without overturning Roe vs. wade (Which I believe should be overturned for reasons I stated in my previous post).
ETA: There is a high percentage of negative psychological effects to a woman once she has an abortion as well...NO ONE is talking about THAT.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Posted by dandr10199
Are you saying that adoption is ridiculous? What issue about it is ridiculous? The laws?
Noooooo....I'm agreeing with you! I think it's ridiculous how families with all the love in the world are denied the chance to be parents, not just in the US but worldwide. I'm just saying the ridiculousness of THAT is another thread.
Ohhhh, OK. Hey, at least we DO agree on some things.  
I agree the ridiculousness of "how families with all the love in the world are denied the chance to be parents, not just in the US but worldwide" is another thread.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Posted by MissJones.
To many many young women, adoption might be far less of a choice than an abortion.
WHY? If you read both of my posts...then WHY?
My goodness, an abundance of reasons. I don't think it's that easy, for one thing. Girls in the ghetto probably are not going to be seeking out a lawyer or agency for one thing.
I really agree with MissJones. And I would love a statistic of girls who get pregnant, say they are going to give the baby up and then don't b/c they are too attached, but STILL can't provide for that baby??
YET, if there were the same amount of $$$$, resources, and help for these girls that would show them ALL of the pros and cons of adoption, I believe that they would realize that adoption is not as bad emotionally as having an abortion. JMHO.
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MissJones
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Dina...I truly respect your heartfelt defense of your opinions and while I may not agree with them, I can understand them and I do appreciate how you are supporting your viewpoints.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Are you saying that adoption is ridiculous? What issue about it is ridiculous? The laws?
Noooooo....I'm agreeing with you! I think it's ridiculous how families with all the love in the world are denied the chance to be parents, not just in the US but worldwide. I'm just saying the ridiculousness of THAT is another thread.
Yeah, but I once asked on one of the boards if women couldn't have babies on their own, would they consider adoption - many answered no. I'm not saying we represent everyone, but I was surprised at how many no responses people gave.....
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by dandr10199
link to my answer on the other thread... Adoption. I just cannot write this again and again and for that I am sorry. I just do not have the strength to keep writing the same thing and cry as I write it.
I hope you understand. However, I do want to answer your post b/c I feel it is important to have these discussions.
ETA: Here's what I wrote on the other thread:
Thank you for taking the time to write out such a thoughtful response. I keep saying that I am not going to get into these threads anymore bc I just feel like I am not going to change anyone's mind so what is the point, you know? I do agree with all that you have said. I just think that a big issue will always be that some people don't think of the baby AS a baby before birth. So that is going to change how we feel about abortion.
There are many people that think like you - they are out there. Maybe not as many in NY or on these boards  but there ARE people that think like us too
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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Yeah, but I once asked on one of the boards if women couldn't have babies on their own, would they consider adoption - many answered no. I'm not saying we represent everyone, but I was surprised at how many no responses people gave.....
I'm perplexed by this as well...I'm very curious why a woman who couldn't have a baby wouldn't consider adoption
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by dandr10199
YET, if there were the same amount of $$$$, resources, and help for these girls that would show them ALL of the pros and cons of adoption, I believe that they would realize that adoption is not as bad emotionally as having an abortion. JMHO.
See, I have to disagree. Many women I would think would be able to emotionally distance themselves from the act of an early term abortion. They haven't formed an emotional attachment. At 8 weeks, all you've gotten is a pink line on a pg test. To someone who is not wanting a child, an abortion is the fastest, safest way to "remedy" the situation, I suppose.
By going through a pregnancy, attachment is formed. I know in the beginning of my pg, I felt SO detached from DD. Even seeing her on the early sono, while amazing, didn't make me "feel" anything more than excitement (because I wanted to have a baby). However, even though I *knew* I was pg- and was excited by it I felt no true *emotional* connection until I started feeling her move and my belly got big. Once she was born, there was such an outpouring of emotion I was blown away.
Put it this way: I had a friend who got pg as a teen-ager. She had an abortion. To this day, she says that the way she got through it was by telling herself she "was sick and went to the doctor to get better." That was her coping strategy.
I think that there are far more emotions involved in giving your baby (that you just carried for 9 months) away than having a clinicaL procedure done when you are newly pg. That is why you have so few women choosing to go through a pg to give up their child. Most would opt for what they think is the less emotional route. Some are emotionally scarred by that route, others are not.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I truly feel that women who are able to give couples the amazing gift of being parents are extraordinarily strong people.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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YET, if there were the same amount of $$$$, resources, and help for these girls that would show them ALL of the pros and cons of adoption, I believe that they would realize that adoption is not as bad emotionally as having an abortion. JMHO.
See, I have to disagree. Many women I would think would be able to emotionally distance themselves from the act of an early term abortion. They haven't formed an emotional attachment. At 8 weeks, all you've gotten is a pink line on a pg test. To someone who is not wanting a child, an abortion is the fastest, safest way to "remedy" the situation, I suppose.
By going through a pregnancy, attachment is formed. I know in the beginning of my pg, I felt SO detached from DD. Even seeing her on the early sono, while amazing, didn't make me "feel" anything more than excitement (because I wanted to have a baby). However, even though I *knew* I was pg- and was excited by it I felt no true *emotional* connection until I started feeling her move and my belly got big. Once she was born, there was such an outpouring of emotion I was blown away.
Put it this way: I had a friend who got pg as a teen-ager. She had an abortion. To this day, she says that the way she got through it was by telling herself she "was sick and went to the doctor to get better." That was her coping strategy.
I think that there are far more emotions involved in giving your baby (that you just carried for 9 months) away than having a clinicaL procedure done when you are newly pg. That is why you have so few women choosing to go through a pg to give up their child. Most would opt for what they think is the less emotional route. Some are emotionally scarred by that route, others are not.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I truly feel that women who are able to give couples the amazing gift of being parents are extraordinarily strong people.
I 100% AGREE WITH THIS! Well Said
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
I also wanted to add they I also appreciate your thought provoking responses Dina. Rather than go off half-cocked you've provided a reasonable solution.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
The pro-life mentality is NOT one of thinking "a child should not be born because his or her life MAY not be a good one".
The mentality stems from the very thought that all life is precious, worthy of chance and worthy of developing to whatever he or she will become.
There are babies born every single day into horrid circumstances. And there are babies born every single day into luxury.
But who am I to say that the child born into poverty or a horrible family always has a "doomed" life? Just like the child born into wealth, and love won't lead a life filled with awful things? It happens every single day.
The world is an uncertain place, and out of sadness CAN come happiness and triumph.
I am not blind to the fact that there are many sad stories..it sickens me actually. But if you are pro life or anti-abortion (whatever you want to label it) it USUALLY means that you believe that life was created for a reason and it should not be in our hands to end that life...that's all.
It is very very hard to explain to people your stance when you are constantly given the worst case scenarios. And for every child aborted because of poverty and bad life circumstance, there are just as many being aborted for other reasons (mother not ready, father not ready, baby has a defect, couple already has the amount of children they want, single woman is ashamed etc...).
I think what a lot of pro-lifers seek is a reason to understand why we as a nation don't have more regard for unborn children. I know I seek that answer everyday but unfortunately I won't ever know. Not everyone shares my mentality, and that's ok, but it's nice to know others do.
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by maybebaby
The pro-life mentality is NOT one of thinking "a child should not be born because his or her life MAY not be a good one".
The mentality stems from the very thought that all life is precious, worthy of chance and worthy of developing to whatever he or she will become.
There are babies born every single day into horrid circumstances. And there are babies born every single day into luxury.
But who am I to say that the child born into poverty or a horrible family always has a "doomed" life? Just like the child born into wealth, and love won't lead a life filled with awful things? It happens every single day.
The world is an uncertain place, and out of sadness CAN come happiness and triumph.
I am not blind to the fact that there are many sad stories..it sickens me actually. But if you are pro life or anti-abortion (whatever you want to label it) it USUALLY means that you believe that life was created for a reason and it should not be in our hands to end that life...that's all.
It is very very hard to explain to people your stance when you are constantly given the worst case scenarios. And for every child aborted because of poverty and bad life circumstance, there are just as many being aborted for other reasons (mother not ready, father not ready, baby has a defect, couple already has the amount of children they want, single woman is ashamed etc...).
I think what a lot of pro-lifers seek is a reason to understand why we as a nation don't have more regard for unborn children. I know I seek that answer everyday but unfortunately I won't ever know. Not everyone shares my mentality, and that's ok, but it's nice to know others do.
ITA and wish I could have said this so eloquently and clearly as this is in other posts where I may have offended people. This is what I meant to say!
Beautifully stated, Maureen! 
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
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link to my answer on the other thread... Adoption. I just cannot write this again and again and for that I am sorry. I just do not have the strength to keep writing the same thing and cry as I write it.
I hope you understand. However, I do want to answer your post b/c I feel it is important to have these discussions.
ETA: Here's what I wrote on the other thread:
I agree with emilan. It would be a deterant. I also feel that giving up a child for adoption is life altering, gut wrenching AND a selfless, heroic act.
I KNOW what is is like not to have anymore children. I also have a friend who is on bed rest with placenta previa, trying to save the life of her sweet baby girl who they found out has downs via amino. Everyone around her thinks she is crazy for going through this and NOT aborting, not me.
Anyone ever think, WHY so many women adopt from countries outside the US??? There are simply not enough newborn babies or babies under 1 yr old in the country who are not born with fetal alcohol syndrome, addicted to drugs, etc. Plus the laws in this country for adoption are INSANE. you can love a child, have it as your own and the mother can come back up to a year later in some states and take the child away.
If you go to China, yeah you have to stay there for a few weeks and go through paperwork and whatnot, but the mother cannot come back after the adoption is final to take the child from you. Also, they make sure the children are healthy and IF they have a illness they let you know.
Plus, now they are saying if you have a medical condition you cannot adopt from China, Ukraine, and some other places. Chat Icon DOES ANYONE know what it is like to be told that you cannot adopt from a foreign country b/c of a preexisting medical condition, YET there are not enough babies in the US to adopt so the mother who give them up can place them with families who do not have a child already, or with a mom who is not "sick" or to whoever has the biggest bank account. If abortion was illegal, I believe that this situation would not exist for me, for friends and family that really want a baby and cannot have one for whatever reason.
Plus, the baby is Innocent. I mean there was a thread about Palin being a hunter, a lot of folks were disgusted that she would shoot an "innocent animal" yet we are willing to kill the most innocent of all...a defenseless baby. I just do not get it. Chat Icon
Yes, ladies it is YOUR body and YOUR choice and YOUR decision I cannot help but think... for lack of a better term, it seems like you are murdering an innocent life. A life that some people are praying daily for and would give ANYTHING they had just to love that baby. WHY? because it is inconvenient? Because you were not ready for a baby? because it is "easier" on you to kill a baby then to adopt the baby out to someone who would love it? I have heard people say that I could not live with "knowing my baby is out there with another family", but can you live with knowing that you killed your baby? How is that easier? It does not make sense to me.
This is JMHO. some of you actually asked WHY pro-lifers feel they way they do. This is just how I feel about it. It boils down to I cannot see how it is easier kill your baby than to give it up for adoption?
BOTH are HARD but killing a baby...I could not look at myself in the mirror every day for the rest of MY life and not hate myself for that. There is a HUGE difference between killing an innocent baby and corporal punishment (killing someone who has committed a horrific crime - like raping and murdering a child) or hunting a moose. I am on the fence about corporal punishment, but to use the argument that pro-lifers are a walking contradiction, is ludicrous. The difference is ONE life is completely innocent and the other committed a horrific crime. Yes there are people who are wrongfully accused, but if there is DNA evidence and it proves 100% that a person committed a rape and murder of a child (or any other horrific crime) I am all for wiping then off the face of the earth and letting them rot in h3ll. Again, just my honest opinion.
ETA: I really tried to answer your original question, Rach. I have a lot of respect for you to ASK the pro-lifers about why they feel the way they do instead of attacking. As I wrote this the tears are streaming down my cheeks and I am so so so sad. Whenever I hear about someone having an abortion, I feel as though someone pouched me in the stomach and knocked the wind out of me. I saw Gracie's heartbeat via internal sono at 5 weeks pregnant. It was one of the best days of my life. How can anyone see that flicker and NOT be completely in AWE of that miracle?
Can a pro-choicer out there answer that??? I heard and saw a heartbeat. I heard and saw life. I legitimately WANT to know how you can switch off your emotions and say, "that is not a life" at 5 weeks? Then terminate that life. I am really trying to get it and I cannot wrap my brain around it. PLEASE someone, tell me how that is even possible.
ITA 100% with everything you have said and you expressed the sentiment beautifully.
I have to add...I can almost understand the detachment at 5 weeks of gestation to it not being a "life" (although I think it is) but what about people who have responded that it is not a child or living human until it has passed through the birth canal? Meaning anytime before BIRTH it is not a human with rights...I just cannot wrap my head around that.
We have ALL seen infants born at 25 weeks, at 35 weeks, at 40 weeks...how can anyone deny that is a CHILD that feels pain and emotion and is a living breathing human being?? THAT is probably what upsets me the most. The only thing is the womb coming between a child and a fetus. Unbelievable. No one can ever convince me that that is a valid argument....
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| Posted 9/7/08 9:30 PM |
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maybebaby
LIF Adult
Member since 11/05 6870 total posts
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Maureen
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by donegal419
Posted by maybebaby
The pro-life mentality is NOT one of thinking "a child should not be born because his or her life MAY not be a good one".
The mentality stems from the very thought that all life is precious, worthy of chance and worthy of developing to whatever he or she will become.
There are babies born every single day into horrid circumstances. And there are babies born every single day into luxury.
But who am I to say that the child born into poverty or a horrible family always has a "doomed" life? Just like the child born into wealth, and love won't lead a life filled with awful things? It happens every single day.
The world is an uncertain place, and out of sadness CAN come happiness and triumph.
I am not blind to the fact that there are many sad stories..it sickens me actually. But if you are pro life or anti-abortion (whatever you want to label it) it USUALLY means that you believe that life was created for a reason and it should not be in our hands to end that life...that's all.
It is very very hard to explain to people your stance when you are constantly given the worst case scenarios. And for every child aborted because of poverty and bad life circumstance, there are just as many being aborted for other reasons (mother not ready, father not ready, baby has a defect, couple already has the amount of children they want, single woman is ashamed etc...).
I think what a lot of pro-lifers seek is a reason to understand why we as a nation don't have more regard for unborn children. I know I seek that answer everyday but unfortunately I won't ever know. Not everyone shares my mentality, and that's ok, but it's nice to know others do.
ITA and wish I could have said this so eloquently and clearly as this is in other posts where I may have offended people. This is what I meant to say!
Beautifully stated, Maureen!
Thank you  And I have never been offended by your posts...this is a passionate subject and for those of us who are pro-life we feel the need to defend our simple stance of protecting those who can't protect themselves...
People can and will do what they please. But it doesn't mean that there aren't those of us who feel defenseless children are worth fighting for.
Message edited 9/7/2008 9:35:04 PM.
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| Posted 9/7/08 9:33 PM |
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Cheeks24
Living a dream
Member since 1/08 8589 total posts
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Cheeks
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
I am not pro-life, but I am very much for adoption. I have cousins that have fostered many kids and have adopted 5 of them. The most recent 3 are up for adoption now and I am so happy for them. These children came from such terrible homes and now have a loving family that cares very much for them. My cousins also are in touch with the biological family (grandparents, parents, etc) so they all know who their biological parents are. I love all of their kids! 
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| Posted 9/7/08 10:47 PM |
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dandr10199
Grace is growing up too fast!
Member since 10/05 11561 total posts
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Dina
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Re: Another abortion spin-off b/c hey...there just aren't enough!
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Yeah, but I once asked on one of the boards if women couldn't have babies on their own, would they consider adoption - many answered no. I'm not saying we represent everyone, but I was surprised at how many no responses people gave.....
I'm perplexed by this as well...I'm very curious why a woman who couldn't have a baby wouldn't consider adoption
So people should not consider adoption b/c the LIF girls took a poll and decided that THEY would not consider adoption???
Maybe the people who took the poll were like my Dh at first, wanting their own bio kids and adoption was an last resort... all I can say is that it took a LONNNGGGG time for Dh to consider adoption, I always wanted to adopt. He was still hoping an praying the doctors would change their mind about me having another bio child. It was devastating to both of us when we were told we could not have any more children biologically. About 6 months after my surgery did DH even entertain the thought of adopting.
I also think most women want to have their own children. Yet, when you have a situation when you are told you cannot have any more children or any children at all, your perspective shifts, KWIM? So maybe many answer "no" to your poll now, yet in a few years I hope their opinion would change.
Message edited 9/7/2008 11:30:58 PM.
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