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Ophelia
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Another city question...those that are born and bred
does anyone else HATE what is happening in the outer boroughs.
I AGAIN read an article where a neighborhood in Brooklyn was "discovered"
by whom? the last discoverers of Brooklyn were DUTCH, in like 1620.
I hate that displaced "Manhattanites" (and I used this term EXTREMELY loosely since most of them aren't BORN in NYC anyway) are moving in and "gentrifying" areas that TRUE New Yorkers have been living in and busting their ASSSES in for years and years.
UGH, it's disgusting.
I saw a crowd of hipsters on their bikes in Williamsburg the other day, and I wanted to poke a stick in their spokes so badly....
I would KILL to hear a real Brooklyn accent in my neighborhood now.
vent over, but I really feel like they are killing the very fiber of what it IS to be a NYer...especially an "outer"borough-er. there was a life/culture/existence...and now it's like hipsterhomogeny. we don't NEED another Soho or LES...we NEED Park Slope, Sunset Park, Brownsville, Bed Stuy...
the changes in safety and living conditions should be for the people that were there, not for those who are coming in.
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
While I do generally get what you are saying, I am a little confused about a few things. Do you feel that if you weren't born or bred in the city than you can't move into the city? Or is it more that you can move in, but not change the neighborhood?
I grew up in New Hyde Park (on the Long Island side of NHP - a few blocks over and you are in Queens). I went to college in the Bronx, law school in Queens, I lived in Manhattan briefly and now I live in Queens. My parents grew up in Manhattan and Queens.
I absolutely love the city and love living and working in it now. I would probably be considered a Yuppie  , but I have never thought that I was ruining or changing a neighborhood by moving into it.
No one chooses where they grow up - it's basically decided by their parents. And as evidenced by some of the other threads, there are many people who absolutely love the city! So, I guess I feel like they have just as much of a right to live in any neighborhood they want to as any other person. There are so many reasons why someone would WANT to live in NYC!
But I do understand that the whole idea of a "changing neighborhood," whether for the better or worse (which is clearly subjective) is something that happens everywhere (city and suburbs) and can be difficult for those living in the neighborhood to deal with.
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:05 AM |
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tsullivan
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
I think Ophelia was saying that once a neighborhood is considered "trendy," a lot of times it loses that "old neighborhood" feel - with so many new people moving in, you don't know your neighbors anymore, there aren't as many "mom & pop" stores, things are replaced by chains, real estate and property taxes go up, and the neighborhood is no longer affordable. I live in an apt., but I know for a fact that I could never afford to buy a house in my neighborhood for this reason.
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by tsullivan
I think Ophelia was saying that once a neighborhood is considered "trendy," a lot of times it loses that "old neighborhood" feel - with so many new people moving in, you don't know your neighbors anymore, there aren't as many "mom & pop" stores, things are replaced by chains, real estate and property taxes go up, and the neighborhood is no longer affordable. I live in an apt., but I know for a fact that I could never afford to buy a house in my neighborhood for this reason.
That's right. Walmart and Target and all those "made in China" meccas can stay out in the suburbs where everything is nice and sanitized and every house looks just like the next house.
And the hipsters can take their 10-speed bikes, their Pabst, and their pomade and put it somewhere 'special', er, I mean 'deck'
Do I sound bitter? 
Message edited 6/6/2007 11:20:18 AM.
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KrisT
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by tsullivan
I think Ophelia was saying that once a neighborhood is considered "trendy," a lot of times it loses that "old neighborhood" feel - with so many new people moving in, you don't know your neighbors anymore, there aren't as many "mom & pop" stores, things are replaced by chains, real estate and property taxes go up, and the neighborhood is no longer affordable. I live in an apt., but I know for a fact that I could never afford to buy a house in my neighborhood for this reason.
I definitely understood that part 
My grandparents were all immigrants who lived in "less desirable" neighborhoods in city back in the day that are now "trendy."
I guess I just feel that the city is such a desirable place to live, that it's hard to keep people out of certain neighborhoods! And, I would hate the thought that I, (not growing up in the neighborhood) was responsible for "changing" a neighborhood for the worse 
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:22 AM |
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Bomb-blast you stop, you're more like the bomb diggity
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:22 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
people have been moving in and around the city for hundreds of years.
but now, they are coming in with the intention of "recreating" a vibe or feel that they enjoyed elsewhere, instead of appreciating what was already there.
it's the whole "discovery" thing I have issue with.
it's becoming more palatable to the masses BY the masses, and less of what made it so unique in the first place.
who the hell wants that?
please, yes, come and live. but don't change it to what you want. as you come as you are, leave it what it was. enjoy it for what it is.
it was hip LONG before the hipsters showed up.
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:42 AM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
I agree to the extent that there are so many areas being gentrified, but it is almost impossible for people to afford to live in Manhattan. And while the "original" borough people are seeing a gentirification, like life, things grow and move on.
I don't think it's wrong for a hard working young person or couple to make a home for themselves in an area that has been stagnent for years.
It's when homes get torn down for luxury, untouchable condos that I get ****** about
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:52 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by jxnoscar
I don't think it's wrong for a hard working young person or couple to make a home for themselves in an area that has been stagnent for years.
but Nan, who is the judge of what is stagnant?
I think it's deplorable that a developer can call an area "blighted" that people have been living in, and raising their family in for YEARS, b/c another family, with a larger income, wants to move in, but won't until it's "cleaned up" a bit.
it's unfair. and presumptuous. and EFFED up, to say it BK style.
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| Posted 6/6/07 11:56 AM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by Ophelia
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I don't think it's wrong for a hard working young person or couple to make a home for themselves in an area that has been stagnent for years.
but Nan, who is the judge of what is stagnant?
I think it's deplorable that a developer can call an area "blighted" that people have been living in, and raising their family in for YEARS, b/c another family, with a larger income, wants to move in, but won't until it's "cleaned up" a bit.
it's unfair. and presumptuous. and EFFED up, to say it BK style.
Which hits my, yes it bothers me to throw people out of their homes to make room for snob pads.
BUT....where are we suppose to live?
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by jxnoscar
BUT....where are we suppose to live?
I understand that too. and it's not like you can't come and live...and it's not even YOU or them per se....it's the developers and the businesses.
I almost cried a few weeks ago when I realized that the bag store around the corner from my moms house on 5th ave was closed.
I loved that guy. he was so nice to me growing up. and poof...it's gone.
it's really really painful to watch.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by KrisT
While I do generally get what you are saying, I am a little confused about a few things. Do you feel that if you weren't born or bred in the city than you can't move into the city? Or is it more that you can move in, but not change the neighborhood?
I grew up in New Hyde Park (on the Long Island side of NHP - a few blocks over and you are in Queens). I went to college in the Bronx, law school in Queens, I lived in Manhattan briefly and now I live in Queens. My parents grew up in Manhattan and Queens.
I absolutely love the city and love living and working in it now. I would probably be considered a Yuppie , but I have never thought that I was ruining or changing a neighborhood by moving into it.
No one chooses where they grow up - it's basically decided by their parents. And as evidenced by some of the other threads, there are many people who absolutely love the city! So, I guess I feel like they have just as much of a right to live in any neighborhood they want to as any other person. There are so many reasons why someone would WANT to live in NYC!
But I do understand that the whole idea of a "changing neighborhood," whether for the better or worse (which is clearly subjective) is something that happens everywhere (city and suburbs) and can be difficult for those living in the neighborhood to deal with.
 VERY well said!
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by cpanyc
Neither DH or I are hipsters, we are not rich, not yuppies, we do not think we are all that, we are regular people who work hard for a living. We live in a neighborhood that has definitely changed from previous years. We cringe when we see the local shops close up. Then cringe even more when it is replaced with an Eckerd, CVS, Citibank, "Boutique" shop, etc. etc. We do not like that Brooklyn is becoming the next Manhattan, it shouldn't, but that is what is happening.
We understand the animosity felt by the long-time residents. But nevertheless, we get the dirty looks from our neighbors who don't feel it's necessary to say "hi". We are learning that the local shop owners could care less to take our money. We try to support them and go in only to get ignored, get weird looks or that attitude of you don't belong here. They are shooting themselves in the foot. We have been trying to embrace the neighborhood for what it is (or what it was) but you know what-with the attitude we get, we really don't care anymore.
I'm sorry. I am sure it must suck from your end too.
but it IS frustrating to be basically run out of the place where you built your life.
is it your fault, NO. do they know that? YES...but there is such resentment and frustration building...and it's not like Ratner gives a rats azz.
and I am not sure exactly where you live, but all of my life the old timers were very quick to welcome new families in to the nabe (south Park Slope) but honestly, the newer families are much more to themselves. it seems like you are paying for these people getting burned.
nothing good can come from all of this, that is for sure.
that stadium, which will literally be around the corner from where I know live...is a DISASTER.
they even closed my CHURCH for renovations...making it the Pro cathedral of Brooklyn...sounds GREAT, right...but for YEAR and YEARS it was neglected by the diocese, with some of the most faithful and poor people in attendence. why don't THEY deserve to have the church beautified??? why is it only the prospect of Ratner money that gets the walls painted and the windows fixed?
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| Posted 6/6/07 12:09 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
I understand that you don't like seeing all the changes but change is what it's all about. Today's NYC is certainly NOT the city I knew as a child!!
a lot of changes are for the better. previously considered "questionable areas" are now becoming HOT real estate and that is good for the people who have lived there all along.
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| Posted 6/6/07 12:11 PM |
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
As the daughter of a small business man in Queens, YES, it does suk. 
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by bomb-blast
That's right. Walmart and Target and all those "made in China" meccas can stay out in the suburbs where everything is nice and sanitized and every house looks just like the next house.
This is SO NOT TRUE! 
Do I sound bitter?
Maybe a little bit. 
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| Posted 6/6/07 12:12 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I understand that you don't like seeing all the changes but change is what it's all about. Today's NYC is certainly NOT the city I knew as a child!!
a lot of changes are for the better. previously considered "questionable areas" are now becoming HOT real estate and that is good for the people who have lived there all along.
in what way is it good for those living in apartments to have their rents doubled and tripled?
to not be able to afford to purchase a house (making decent money) in the neighborhood that they grew up in?
the only good it is, is if you own and want to move OUT of the area. and in those "questionable" areas, the owners generally don't live there anyway.
I am not sure where you live, but it's not great for anyone where I do.
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by cpanyc
We understand the animosity felt by the long-time residents. But nevertheless, we get the dirty looks from our neighbors who don't feel it's necessary to say "hi". We are learning that the local shop owners could care less to take our money. We try to support them and go in only to get ignored, get weird looks or that attitude of you don't belong here. They are shooting themselves in the foot. We have been trying to embrace the neighborhood for what it is (or what it was) but you know what-with the attitude we get, we really don't care anymore.
It seems odd that a shop-owner would care so much who the next dollar is coming from. I would think that as businesspeople, they'd welcome anyone who walks into their place of business. That's just rude and they don't deserve your money. But that's a whole other issue.
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
You're going to see me in less than 7 hours....I got a Brooklyn accent for ya.
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
I understand exactly how your feel. I was "born and bred" in East Hampton, as was my mother, long before anyone ever discovered "the Hamptons". It used to be a beautiful quiet little town filled with not so rich folks . Now it's just a big crowded show.
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WoodIAm
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by WoodIAm
I understand exactly how your feel. I was "born and bred" in East Hampton, as was my mother, long before anyone ever discovered "the Hamptons". It used to be a beautiful quiet little town filled with not so rich folks . Now it's just a big crowded show.
ETA: My Father would kill me if I forgot to mention, I'm half Brooklyn
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| Posted 6/6/07 12:39 PM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by jxnoscar
BUT....where are we suppose to live?
I understand that too. and it's not like you can't come and live...and it's not even YOU or them per se....it's the developers and the businesses.
I almost cried a few weeks ago when I realized that the bag store around the corner from my moms house on 5th ave was closed.
I loved that guy. he was so nice to me growing up. and poof...it's gone.
it's really really painful to watch.
Okay.....that I agree with and understand. Even in NYC I get so upset when I see mom and pop places close for a SUBWAY or STARBUCKS. I hate that NYC has become and ANYWHERE USA. I hate when my dads favorite pork store became a CVS.
That stinks.
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Ophelia
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Posted by ChrissynRicky
You're going to see me in less than 7 hours....I got a Brooklyn accent for ya.
 
I cannot wait!
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Re: Another city question...those that are born and bred
Now to answer your OP.
Hmmm...agree and disagree. I think the movement of different neighborhoods has been a good and a bad thing.
Good:
I can now say that I used to be terrified walking through WBurg & DUMBO - now, not at all. The n'bhds became a lot safer b/c of the boom of residents where it used to be completely industrial and absolutely delapitated.
Not so good, but not bad:
I live in B'Hurst - it used to be all Italian and we used to have a bunch of really cute shoppes...now, it's all Asian & Russian, and all the shoppes have become nail/hair salons, and fur/leather stores. Is that useful to me? No, but neighborhoods change based on their demographic. I have the choice to leave.
Bad:
Bay Ridge used to be all cute cafe's and and adorable little botiques...now, it's all banks and fast food restaurants. The old store owners used to be able to afford keeping their stores...now, a huge pocket (corporation) is the only one that can afford the property taxes and/or rent.
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