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Beth
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by evnme
beth- here's the link
source
Putting family members and their companies on the political payroll is legal if the work is legitimate and charged at market rates, according to the Federal Election Commission
quoted from the article- he did no wrong
thanks!
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Beth
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by snowflake08
Posted by Beth1210
b/c I know yours is FALSE already
oh riiiiiiiight
one more time- student loans and scholarships
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| Posted 10/22/08 5:00 PM |
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mrswask
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by nov04libride
I don't think it is ethically right to have taxpayers paying for your children to have their own room.
Or their airfare - take them if you choose to, but if they were not there "officially," tax payers should not be footing the bill.
And if it's true that she then went back to amend expense reports? That's disgusting.
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| Posted 10/22/08 5:03 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by evnme
beth- here's the link
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Putting family members and their companies on the political payroll is legal if the work is legitimate and charged at market rates, according to the Federal Election Commission
quoted from the article- he did no wrong
thanks!
they also said it was unethical and a conflict of interest.
but to show that I am fair, he could have taken that money and spent it at Saks for all I care  
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| Posted 10/22/08 5:03 PM |
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evnme
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by Luv2bAmom
Posted by evnme
beth- here's the link
source
He did not just give it ot them he employed their law firms BIG difference.
did you read the whole article? what is being questioned is the ethics of what he did. and it's also clear that he paid over market value. it says, "democratic vp candidate biden has paid more than 2 million in campaign cash to his family members, their businesses and employers." it's not just employing a law firm.
IMO this is much worse than what palin is beingn accused of doing.
let me directly quote:
Democratic vice-presidential candidate Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to his family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.
Putting family members and their companies on the political payroll is legal if the work is legitimate and charged at market rates, according to the Federal Election Commission. Still, public watchdog groups have long criticized such arrangements.
"Even though legal within restraints, it's not something I view as completely ethical," said Craig Holman, legislative director for Public Citizen, a campaign finance watchdog organization. "Any candidate ought to shy away from that."
"While no Biden family members are being paid by the Obama-Biden campaign, one of Joe Biden´s greatest political strengths and secret weapon has always been his sister Valerie, starting with her role managing his David-versus-Goliath upset Senate victory in 1972," said Biden spokesman David Wade.
"Valerie is a well-known and highly regarded political operative in Democratic politics in Delaware and nationally, and her firm has worked on top races from Michigan to Texas. End of story," Mr. Wade said.
The News Journal
Mr. Biden is hardly alone among members of Congress whose campaigns hold close ties to family. FEC records also show that Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain's political action committee, Straight Talk America, paid more than $15,000 in 2006 to his wife, Cindy.
McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the payment reimbursed Mrs. McCain for catering expenses she had covered in connection with an election night party.
The majority of Biden campaign money tied to family - $1.8 million - was for media consulting bills to Joe Slade White & Co., where Mrs. Owens is a top executive. The firm did not return telephone and e-mail messages.
Such payments usually include a large portion of "pass through" money, where the consulting company gets campaign cash then uses it to produce and buy political ads. Still, the consulting company usually keeps a portion of the money, Mr. Holman said.
"It's a lot of money either way," he said.
Other Biden campaign expenditures over the years included more than $50,000 in salary payments to Mr. Biden's sister. And the Washington lobbying and law firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which Hunter Biden co-founded, has received more than $150,000 combined from Mr. Biden's presidential campaign fund and his political action committee, Unite Our States.
Dubbed "the rainmaker" by the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, William Oldaker is a registered lobbyist and a former FEC general counsel who has worked on numerous other political campaigns.
Obama aides say Hunter Biden never profited from any fees that the campaign paid to the firm.
"Bill Oldaker was Senator Biden´s counsel for his Senate races, not Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden didn´t make a dime from the firm's representation of Senator Biden because the firm´s partners share expenses but don´t share revenue unless they work on the representation," Mr. Wade said.
Mary F. Calvert/The Washington Times Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. was accompanied by his sister Valerie Biden Owens, wife, Jill, and granddaughter Finnegan Biden at a rally for women in Sterling, Va., on Sept. 19. Mrs. Owens' employer received money from Mr. Biden's campaign.
"In the case of Bill Oldaker´s election law practice, none of the revenue is shared with Hunter Biden. Bill represented Senator Biden´s Senate campaigns since before Hunter was old enough to vote."
The District-based Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington earlier this year issued a report that found 16 senators, including Mr. Biden and Mr. McCain, had paid one or more family members fees or salaries. The group's report, made public in February, analyzed campaign filings covering the 2002, 2004 and 2006 election cycles. It named 87 senators from all 50 states: 42 Democrats, 43 Republicans and two independents.
The CREW report listed Mr. Biden among the top five senators by salaries and fees paid to family members, saying he paid his sister and niece more than $50,000. It also listed Mr. Biden among the top five senators by payments to a family business or employer, with more than $40,000 paid to his son's firm.
The watchdog group also found that other Biden campaign cash paid reimbursement expenses for his sister, his wife, two of his sons, his brother and the senator.
The CREW report did not include payments from Mr. Biden's presidential campaign. But a review by The Washington Times of FEC campaign records as well and data compiled CQ MoneyLine and the Center for Responsive Politics - groups that track the flow of money in politics - found more than $1.8 million to Joe Slade White & Co. and more than $100,000 to Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
CREW also noted that at least 33 federal lobbyists, including, at the time, Hunter Biden, were registered with the federal government. Hunter Biden recently dropped his lobbying clients amid scrutiny about whether his work undermined Sen. Barack Obama's anti-lobbyist rhetoric on the campaign trail. Mr. Obama refuses money from federal lobbyists, saying they're a corrosive force in Washington.
Elected officials can hire family members for their campaigns at fair market value rates, but they are not allowed to convert campaign donations to "personal use" or hire family for their official congressional offices. Some observers say having family members on the campaign payroll blurs the lines of what's permissible.
"Technically, it's legal, but frankly, it doesn't pass the smell test," said Bruce Buchanan, a professor of government and presidential politics at the University of Texas at Austin. "That's why all the public interest groups flag it and report it. It feeds the public perception that politicians are ethically challenged."
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snowflake08
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
well beth, if you believe everything you read on snopes - here you go
ENJOY
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| Posted 10/22/08 5:06 PM |
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Karen
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Sorry, she wants to bring her kids on business, SHE should be paying for them! I can't believe how many of you think its okay that the taxpayers are paying for her to bring her kids!
Amending expense reports is grounds to get yourself fired in most industries, so I think I am more upset about that. She knew she was wrong, but rather than try and make amends, she makes it worse by lying.
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snowflake08
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
i dont know if anyone really thinks its ok; i dont
but what i do think some people were saying is that this happens ALL the time; im sure they are not the first family to bring a child with them and not pay out of pocket
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johnsae
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
oh, whatever - most people screw with their expense reports. that's the least of my concerns with this f*cked up nation.
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JRD2008
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by johnsae
oh, whatever - most people screw with their expense reports. that's the least of my concerns with this f*cked up nation.
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| Posted 10/22/08 7:18 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by johnsae
oh, whatever - most people screw with their expense reports. that's the least of my concerns with this f*cked up nation.
yea, no sh*t!
meanwhile, here are the latest CNN Money headlines.. but I guess since they don't involve taking a jab at Palin or McCain, no one cares
Latest News
- Stocks battered again
- Amazon.com shares dive on revenue outlook
- Job losses cut across 41 states
- 'Mass layoffs' highest since 9/11
- Merck to cut 7,200 jobsAIG freezes ex-
- IMF: No U.S. growth 'til mid-09
- Is capitalism deteriorating?
- Wachovia suffers huge loss
- Yahoo slashes 10% of workforce
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| Posted 10/22/08 7:30 PM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by johnsae
oh, whatever - most people screw with their expense reports. that's the least of my concerns with this f*cked up nation.
I actually agree
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| Posted 10/22/08 7:53 PM |
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mrsej
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
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Beth
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by snowflake08
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well beth, if you believe everything you read on snopes - here you go
ENJOY
call me crazy- but I finally had a chance to read the whole thing- and these are all discredited????
I am not sure what the point of you posting this was??
I enjoy the facts- plain and simple
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| Posted 10/22/08 9:31 PM |
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usuk2004
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by Karen
Sorry, she wants to bring her kids on business, SHE should be paying for them! I can't believe how many of you think its okay that the taxpayers are paying for her to bring her kids!
Amending expense reports is grounds to get yourself fired in most industries, so I think I am more upset about that. She knew she was wrong, but rather than try and make amends, she makes it worse by lying.
I don't think anyone could ever REALLY know what went on, but from reading this article it seems that she didn't actually CHANGE the expense reports, she had them amended to clarify the reasons why the expenses for the children were included. SHe knew people would be looking in to the expense reports and she wanted to make it clear that they were invited to attend such and such an event. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here. Based on what's been written here I don't think she did anything wrong in going back over the reports.
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| Posted 10/23/08 5:35 AM |
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littlejoy06
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by shamrock124
I don't see the big deal. I would expect Barak and Michelle to take their girls with them and expense those charges as well. I wish the news would stop picking on such small things with both parties and stick to things that matter - like FISCAL POLICY, TRADE RELATIONS, ENERGY, etc.
"Ritz-Carlton Hotel for $215.46 a night" - This really isn't expensive for a hotel in a large capital city at all.
ITA!!! Let's look into Barak's expenses.
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heathergirl
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Horrendous abuse of power and taxpayer money.   
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| Posted 10/23/08 9:33 AM |
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heathergirl
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by littlejoy06
Posted by shamrock124
I don't see the big deal. I would expect Barak and Michelle to take their girls with them and expense those charges as well. I wish the news would stop picking on such small things with both parties and stick to things that matter - like FISCAL POLICY, TRADE RELATIONS, ENERGY, etc.
"Ritz-Carlton Hotel for $215.46 a night" - This really isn't expensive for a hotel in a large capital city at all.
ITA!!! Let's look into Barak's expenses.
They did! And no such expenses turned up!
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CookiePuss
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by littlejoy06
Posted by shamrock124
I don't see the big deal. I would expect Barak and Michelle to take their girls with them and expense those charges as well. I wish the news would stop picking on such small things with both parties and stick to things that matter - like FISCAL POLICY, TRADE RELATIONS, ENERGY, etc.
"Ritz-Carlton Hotel for $215.46 a night" - This really isn't expensive for a hotel in a large capital city at all.
ITA!!! Let's look into Barak's expenses.
They did! And no such expenses turned up!
Barak isn't participating in public campaign financing so the expenses may not be so transparent.
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| Posted 10/23/08 9:38 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
For our company, if an employee travels they can bring their wife at their own expense. An extra hotel room or extra nights in a hotel is on their dime...otherwise it is taxable income.
In fact, every company with a President's Club trip must hold at least one meeting in order for it to be tax deductible. Otherwise it's income.
I think the goverment should follow the same guidelines & not have their own.
Now that she's running for VP, I think the family is part of the marketing strategy so it should be on their dime.
eta. I completely agree that the press should be focusing on the issues. Unfortunately I don't think much of the average American's interest in issues. I think there is more interest in the social nonsense of who is paying for her dresses and expenses. I agree that there seems to be an abuse of the rules, but think it's pretty minor and unfortunately very prevalent in both parties.
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
meanwhile, here are the latest CNN Money headlines.. but I guess since they don't involve taking a jab at Palin or McCain, no one cares
Latest News
- Stocks battered again
- Amazon.com shares dive on revenue outlook
- Job losses cut across 41 states
- 'Mass layoffs' highest since 9/11
- Merck to cut 7,200 jobsAIG freezes ex-
- IMF: No U.S. growth 'til mid-09
- Is capitalism deteriorating?
- Wachovia suffers huge loss
- Yahoo slashes 10% of workforce
it really is scary
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| Posted 10/23/08 10:19 AM |
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MrsERod
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by snowflake08
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well beth, if you believe everything you read on snopes - here you go
ENJOY
call me crazy- but I finally had a chance to read the whole thing- and these are all discredited????
I am not sure what the point of you posting this was??
I enjoy the facts- plain and simple
i thought it was just me - but i read it the same way - discredited 
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| Posted 10/23/08 10:21 AM |
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Luv2bAmom
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by snowflake08
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well beth, if you believe everything you read on snopes - here you go
ENJOY
call me crazy- but I finally had a chance to read the whole thing- and these are all discredited????
I am not sure what the point of you posting this was??
I enjoy the facts- plain and simple
i thought it was just me - but i read it the same way - discredited
I agree did you read the bottom, they discredited each "lie" point by point.
Its basically sayingt he author did not do his/her research and tooks things out of context.
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| Posted 10/23/08 10:51 AM |
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snowflake08
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
the only point was that snopes is NOT a reliable source; or at least i dont think it is
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| Posted 10/23/08 11:35 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports
Posted by snowflake08
the only point was that snopes is NOT a reliable source; or at least i dont think it is
So what is a reliable source besides Fox News? The NY Post?
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