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MissRadiant
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by neenie
Posted by MissRadiant
Are we not all American?
No, we're not. I think that's why there's this whole issue going on in AZ right now 
You're right I guess the stars in your passport shine a little brighter then mine...
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MissRadiant
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by Erica
Third, My MIL (a US citizen) lives in AZ with an accent, she's discriminated enough by people who have been alive less than she has been citizen.
EXACTLY!!!!!
Unless you have been discriminated against, or know someone who has -it is very hard to understand why so many of us are against this.
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| Posted 5/4/10 8:44 AM |
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My4GirlsMyLife
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by neenie
Posted by Mici C
Here in NY many illegal immigrants are day laborers. In Arizona they are drug dealers working for the drug cartel. These animals kill innocent people - women, children, babies, etc., just to save their a$$. They kill the CBP who protect our borders. It really is a horrible situation down there.
Exactly. Again, i'm not 100% sure of my feelings on them enforcing this, but i am fairly certain that they didn't decide to take such drastic measures because there was too much spackling going on in the streets of AZ.
ITA !! My grandparents also came here and did it the right way , why can't they? Gangs are also a huge problem on LI, MS13 is a growing problem ,and most of them are illegal!
I agree with the law.
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| Posted 5/4/10 10:18 AM |
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Erica
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I'm not so sure law enforcement can just randomly stop people to ask for their ID. The bill (now law) says (I just hit cut and paste, so that is the reason for all caps):
FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
But that is the problem. Lawful Contact could be interpreted as a police officer walking up to a person. And I'm sure Joe Arpaio will interpret it that way. The man is crazy. He has said that he will strictly enforce it - how many more deaths does he want on his hands?
The Fourth Amendment protects:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Maricopa is going to see some serious descrimination. Tucson has already said that they will not enforce it.
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| Posted 5/4/10 12:05 PM |
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neenie
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by MissRadiant
Posted by neenie
Posted by MissRadiant
Are we not all American?
No, we're not. I think that's why there's this whole issue going on in AZ right now
You're right I guess the stars in your passport shine a little brighter then mine...
what?
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| Posted 5/4/10 3:38 PM |
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GinaR
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
I have never been to AZ, and don't really know anyone living there. So I don't know how bad things are. But I think this law is flawed and will not be the best way to handle things. However, it seems like there are a lot of violent problems and a lot of drug problems and something extreme needs to be done. What the best thing to do is, I do not know.
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| Posted 5/4/10 5:01 PM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Granddaughter of 3 immigrants who busted their butts to get here legally. I agree with it.
Im also looking at the poll. Assuming that people were honest (and I say that with a grain of salt), Im thinking a lot more people are for it as well but are too afraid to say it as is always the case for anyone on this site who leans towards the right by any fraction. But I'm just sayin...
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| Posted 5/4/10 6:12 PM |
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MommaG
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
If a police officer walked up to me and asked to see ID, I'd have no problem showing him. I'm here legally (was born here) and if there is a law being enforced or they are concerned for our safety, I will show my ID as many times as I am asked. If I happen to fit a stereotype or a profile, so be it. My safety and that of my family and country are more important. They are not targeting innocent people - they are trying to control illegal immigration. I understand that many illegals have a poor life in their country and if they sneak into the US without being detected, they got lucky. But if they get caught, they get caught and have to deal with the consequences.
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Mrs007
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by MommaG
If a police officer walked up to me and asked to see ID, I'd have no problem showing him. I'm here legally (was born here) and if there is a law being enforced or they are concerned for our safety, I will show my ID as many times as I am asked. If I happen to fit a stereotype or a profile, so be it. My safety and that of my family and country are more important. They are not targeting innocent people - they are trying to control illegal immigration. I understand that many illegals have a poor life in their country and if they sneak into the US without being detected, they got lucky. But if they get caught, they get caught and have to deal with the consequences.
ITA.
Plus, I have family members who are in the process of trying to become citizens. Its a long and tough process, but they want to be citizens so they decided to do it the right way....just like so many others have done before them.
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| Posted 5/4/10 6:30 PM |
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yourenotme
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
absolutely on target! everyone seems to forget the ILLEGAL part of illegal immigrants. the federal govenment has done close to nothing addressing this problem and when individual states or municipalities take any action, people get all up in arms. they view it as discrimination and take to the streets. how about taking to the streets and protesting the unfair burden this puts on all of us. but as soon as you do that, youre declared a racist. i hope this holds up in the court system and this country finally grows a backbone like the governor of Arizona.
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| Posted 5/4/10 6:33 PM |
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johnsae
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by yourenotme
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
absolutely on target! everyone seems to forget the ILLEGAL part of illegal immigrants. the federal govenment has done close to nothing addressing this problem and when individual states or municipalities take any action, people get all up in arms. they view it as discrimination and take to the streets. how about taking to the streets and protesting the unfair burden this puts on all of us. but as soon as you do that, youre declared a racist. i hope this holds up in the court system and this country finally grows a backbone like the governor of Arizona.
Amen
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| Posted 5/4/10 6:56 PM |
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brownie
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by johnsae
Posted by yourenotme
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
absolutely on target! everyone seems to forget the ILLEGAL part of illegal immigrants. the federal govenment has done close to nothing addressing this problem and when individual states or municipalities take any action, people get all up in arms. they view it as discrimination and take to the streets. how about taking to the streets and protesting the unfair burden this puts on all of us. but as soon as you do that, youre declared a racist. i hope this holds up in the court system and this country finally grows a backbone like the governor of Arizona.
Amen
I'm not arguing about illegal immigrants...I agree they should be arrested/detained/go about becoming legal in a LEGAL way
I'm fine with all of that
I disagree with this law though...like I said, its a immigration is a federal law, so if someone illegal is caught, they should be handed over the FED gov't...not put in jail by local AZ cops. I'd rather have the FED gov't handle this problem (and actually do something to fix this broken system instead of putting band-aids on it), but not give power to local AZ cops. And to those who say they don't mind getting ID'd or asked for "papers" showing proof they're American probably hasn't been treated differently before purely based on the color of their skin. It's embarrassing, you feel harassed, violated and like an outsider...the exact OPPOSITE reason of why most people emigrate to this country in the first place...its a mix, we have rights, etc. For those that are ILLEGAL and are caught doing something illegal, by all means, arrest them and hand them over to the FED gov't to deal with.
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eddiesmommy
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by brownie
Posted by johnsae
Posted by yourenotme
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
absolutely on target! everyone seems to forget the ILLEGAL part of illegal immigrants. the federal govenment has done close to nothing addressing this problem and when individual states or municipalities take any action, people get all up in arms. they view it as discrimination and take to the streets. how about taking to the streets and protesting the unfair burden this puts on all of us. but as soon as you do that, youre declared a racist. i hope this holds up in the court system and this country finally grows a backbone like the governor of Arizona.
Amen
I'm not arguing about illegal immigrants...I agree they should be arrested/detained/go about becoming legal in a LEGAL way
I'm fine with all of that
I disagree with this law though...like I said, its a immigration is a federal law, so if someone illegal is caught, they should be handed over the FED gov't...not put in jail by local AZ cops. I'd rather have the FED gov't handle this problem (and actually do something to fix this broken system instead of putting band-aids on it), but not give power to local AZ cops. And to those who say they don't mind getting ID'd or asked for "papers" showing proof they're American probably hasn't been treated differently before purely based on the color of their skin. It's embarrassing, you feel harassed, violated and like an outsider...the exact OPPOSITE reason of why most people emigrate to this country in the first place...its a mix, we have rights, etc. For those that are ILLEGAL and are caught doing something illegal, by all means, arrest them and hand them over to the FED gov't to deal with.
actually, the states are allowed to enact their own immigration laws as long as they dont conflict with a federal immigration law.
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| Posted 5/4/10 8:56 PM |
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beautyq115
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
same here. i 100% support it
Exactly!!! Everyone forgets that part! They are doing an illegal act!!
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smdl
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by neenie
This is not a new law- its been a federal law for a long time. It seems like Arizona is just taking it upon themselves to strictly enforce it now.
Section 264 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states, "Every alien in the United States . . . shall be issued a certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt card in such form and manner and at such time as shall be prescribed under regulations . . ." It also says, "Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him . . .. Any alien who fails to comply with [these provisions] shall be guilty of a misdemeanor..."
I don't know exactly how i feel about it... there's certainly a scarey part of it that echos "you Vill show me your papers".. and we all know how that turned out. But, what IS the answer? The law isn't anything new though.
This is NOT new. I moved to the US 15 years ago and that was already a requirement.
I had no problem with any officer asking me for my papers. I know I came here as an alien. I followed the rules of such status. As should anyone who is an alien of any Country.
I just don't get why people who did not do it the "legal" way think they are entitled to anything in any Country.
It only underminds EVERYONE who did it the "right" way.
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| Posted 5/5/10 8:08 AM |
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JP826
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by beautyq115
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
same here. i 100% support it
Exactly!!! Everyone forgets that part! They are doing an illegal act!!
I support it because of this exact reason.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
agree with it.
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| Posted 5/5/10 9:07 AM |
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leighdvm
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by Goldi0218
Granddaughter of 3 immigrants who busted their butts to get here legally. I agree with it.
Im also looking at the poll. Assuming that people were honest (and I say that with a grain of salt), Im thinking a lot more people are for it as well but are too afraid to say it as is always the case for anyone on this site who leans towards the right by any fraction. But I'm just sayin...
Leslie, I agree with you! And I 100% support this.
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TwoGirls4Me
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by Diana712
Posted by neenie
Posted by MissRadiant
Are we not all American?
No, we're not. I think that's why there's this whole issue going on in AZ right now
EXACTLY!!!
I thought the same thing.
ETA: A very dear friend of mine came here illegally from El Salvador about 15 years ago. She busted her butt, spent a lot of $$, but eventually became a legal resident, next year she can become a citizen. She would have no problem showing her papers, because she has them and worked hard for them!
SOMETHING needs to be done. I know many of our ancestors came here illegally, but times are different now and its out of control.
Message edited 5/5/2010 10:24:17 AM.
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KittyGags
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
100% agree with this.
My mother came here legally and I don't understand why everyone else can't?
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| Posted 5/5/10 10:31 AM |
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GinaR
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by MissingLI
Just wanted to give you some perspective from someone who actually lives in Arizona.
I've been here 7 years, my family longer. Things here where illegal immigration is concerned are a mess.
My FH is a Sgt in the Sheriff's department. He has been in the Dept for 10 years and is currently in Internal Affairs. He has read the law over backwards and forwards. In no part of the law does it describe anything different than what they do now. the only difference is that now instead of having to call ICE (an immigration dept) they can arrest the person directly.
I repeat - THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE LAW!!!!
Everyone keeps talking about racial profiling and all that. Could it happen - sure. Will it happen - maybe by some cops that are not on the up and up. But the point is that this law is really no different than what is already in place here. It just cuts out a middle man. They now have the power to arrest directly and book. ICE can then come and pick up to arrange deportation.
Just thought I'd give a little input from this side of things.
this is very interesting. i did not know this. thanks for sharing.
Its crazy how the media just doesn't put this information out there.
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LizD
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by johnsae
Posted by yourenotme
Posted by Renee615
Posted by headoverheels
What I feel this boils down to is that IMMIGRATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION IS ILLEGAL. Why is it so easy for us to overlook and forget this part? It is NOT LEGAL. And if that means the state of Arizona feels the need to protect themselves and CBP officers in this way then I have zero problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
absolutely on target! everyone seems to forget the ILLEGAL part of illegal immigrants. the federal govenment has done close to nothing addressing this problem and when individual states or municipalities take any action, people get all up in arms. they view it as discrimination and take to the streets. how about taking to the streets and protesting the unfair burden this puts on all of us. but as soon as you do that, youre declared a racist. i hope this holds up in the court system and this country finally grows a backbone like the governor of Arizona.
Amen
another AMEN here
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smdl
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by GinaR
Posted by MissingLI
Just wanted to give you some perspective from someone who actually lives in Arizona.
I've been here 7 years, my family longer. Things here where illegal immigration is concerned are a mess.
My FH is a Sgt in the Sheriff's department. He has been in the Dept for 10 years and is currently in Internal Affairs. He has read the law over backwards and forwards. In no part of the law does it describe anything different than what they do now. the only difference is that now instead of having to call ICE (an immigration dept) they can arrest the person directly.
I repeat - THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE LAW!!!!
Everyone keeps talking about racial profiling and all that. Could it happen - sure. Will it happen - maybe by some cops that are not on the up and up. But the point is that this law is really no different than what is already in place here. It just cuts out a middle man. They now have the power to arrest directly and book. ICE can then come and pick up to arrange deportation.
Just thought I'd give a little input from this side of things.
this is very interesting. i did not know this. thanks for sharing.
Its crazy how the media just doesn't put this information out there.
I know it was very frustrating for the outnumbered immigration officers for YEARS. The police officers would not arrest illegal immigrants because they were not working for immigration.
It was ALWAYS a requirement to carry your alien papers. Nothing has changed.
Anyone who came here as a legal alien knows that.
For those interested, a good source of information about the current immigration requirements (aside Arizona) is the USCIS (formelly INS)
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
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neener1211
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
I don't see the problem here.
If a police officer asks you for your ID, and you are legally here, show your ID and move on. If the cop is not detaining you for another altercation, consider the officer looking out for the community's well being. Go on your way.
If a police officer asks you for your ID, and you are illegally here with no papers stating you can be in the US, you have no right to feel discriminated against because you came here illegally in the first place and should be sent to your home country.
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LoriH
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Re: Arizona Law SB1070
Posted by neener1211
I don't see the problem here.
If a police officer asks you for your ID, and you are legally here, show your ID and move on. If the cop is not detaining you for another altercation, consider the officer looking out for the community's well being. Go on your way.
If a police officer asks you for your ID, and you are illegally here with no papers stating you can be in the US, you have no right to feel discriminated against because you came here illegally in the first place and should be sent to your home country.
Do you always carry your ID? I know I run out of the house without my license on me all the time. I am not a nationality that would likely be stopped but if I were, I could be detained when unable to present ID.
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