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Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Subprime bust forces families from homes

By ADAM GELLER, AP National Writer
Sun Mar 25, 12:17 AM ET



THORNTON, Colo. - The lights are still on inside Foreclosure No. A200642668 — so while there's time, have a look around.


Here's the living room, still covered in the worn blue shag Angela Sneary always intended to replace with the sheen of hardwood. And downstairs, through a curtain of plastic beads, is the basement where husband Tim was going to knock out a wall and put in a foosball table.

Step this way and the Snearys point out the places where they never could find the cash to hang a ceiling fan, install a hot tub, replace the siding ... a long list of abandoned ambitions that seem almost too big to squeeze into the modest four-bedroom tri-level.

Owning a home is all about finding humor in unfinished projects. But in the house set back from a bend at 11030 Eudora Circle, the Snearys never had the luxury.

They ran out of money first. Then, they ran out of time. Soon, they'll almost certainly be out of a home.

Buying a home is the American dream and a record number of Americans — nearly 70 percent — are living it.

Many families, though, likely never would have become owners if not for the tremendous growth over the past decade of a new kind of mortgage business called subprime lending. It long seemed like a winning proposition for all parties. Now the costs are becoming apparent — and they are very unsettling.

Subprime lenders peddle new kinds of mortgages, often requiring no money down and made at "teaser" interest rates that soon rise. They target marginal borrowers with weak credit or questionable incomes who previously might not have gotten a loan at all.

By last year, subprime loans made up 20 percent of the market for new mortgages.

But as the housing market cools, thousands of subprime borrowers are struggling to keep their homes. A number of subprime lenders, saddled by failed loans and a shortage of cash, have folded or staggered. In some particularly hard-hit neighborhoods in Denver's suburbs — one of a few metropolitan areas where the problem is especially grave — home after home sits dark.

Clearly, this isn't how the American dream is supposed to play out, but who's to blame?

The experience of families like the Snearys show how the squeeze created by questionable lending can quickly be compounded by family economic crises, a lack of planning and knowledge, and the rapid shifts in a real estate market that once seemed unstoppable.

"You were set up to fail," one real estate agent told them.

It's a sobering thought for anybody who shares the American dream. After all, it hits so close to home.

___

Tim first met Angela when he was just 5. She was hours old.

Their fathers were best friends, "two old hippies who partied together." On an afternoon 33 years ago, they celebrated Angela's arrival. Tim stared at the tiny infant a nurse held up to the maternity ward window and waved.

Sixteen years later, Angela's dad died. Tim, just out of the Navy, went to pay his respects. He offered his arms to Angela — and never let go.

In the wedding photos, Tim's rock-star hair reaches the shoulders of his white tuxedo. Angela's bridal gown does little to hide her eighth month of pregnancy.

The new family grew fast — a year after Amanda was born, Timmy Jr. followed and three years later came Steven. Tim found work doing landscaping in Denver's mushrooming subdivisions. Angela got a job working for an insurance company. Eventually, they combined to make around $55,000 a year.

They moved from rental to rental, aspiring to buy. By 2004, their rental town house was getting tight. A neighbor complained they were noisy.

The couple set out to look at homes in Thornton, a fast-expanding, mostly working-class suburb 20 minutes outside Denver.

They loved the second house the agent showed them, tucked in a 1970s subdivision with streets curled around each other like a ball of yarn. It was painted glowing pink with a big shade tree out front. The kitchen drawer-pulls were shaped like tiny forks and spoons. It had spacious bedrooms for all three kids, plenty of space for three dogs and six cats.

Tim "walked in here and said this is perfect," Angela recalls.

It cost $204,000. "We thought we were getting a deal," Tim says.

The agent said he'd find them a mortgage, no money down. The Snearys say they never thought to shop around.

More than two years and 100-plus homes later, agent Kent Widmar says he has no memory of the couple or the deal. But he knows his customers — and subprime loans are the only loans most can get.

"I kind of work the bottom of the market, the tough deals, the people that can't get credit anywhere," Widmar says. "You're dealing with people where nobody else (other lenders) is even going to talk to them ... It's not like you have a whole lot of choices."

The Snearys say they expected to borrow at a fixed rate of 6.5 percent. That would put monthly payments at about $1,290, a little more than rent.

But at the closing in August, all the numbers were higher. The Snearys were offered two loans, both from a Texas subprime lender, Sebring Capital Partners. The first, for 90 percent of the purchase price, was at 8.31 percent, set to adjust after two years. The second, for the remainder, was at 13.69 percent.

The house would cost $1,623.80 a month to start — and it was almost certain to rise.

Looking back, Tim wishes they'd asked more questions or considered walking out. But everything was in boxes, and they'd given notice. So they eyed each other nervously, and agreed to work more hours. Then, they signed the papers.

___

The home loan business is very different from what it used to be.

"When we were children, the lender was a savings and loan — just like in 'It's a Wonderful Life'," says Oliver Frascona, a Boulder, Colo. attorney whose firm represents many lenders in foreclosure proceedings, including the Snearys'. "The lender was loaning their own money ... so they were very careful with how they lent it."

Savings and loans had their own deeply serious flaws, and their failings opened the business to competitors.

Today, many buyers find loans through a mortgage broker. Many of those loans — certainly subprime loans — come not from local banks but from loan originators. These companies hold the loans briefly before reselling them, earning a profit and passing along the risk.

The mortgages are usually bought by a bank or Wall Street firm. Sometimes a loan servicing company, which pockets a fee for administering each mortgage, acts as a go-between. Then the loans are bundled and resold as securities to investors.

The new system works well in many ways, but the incentives driving the players are very different. The mortgage broker and loan originator, rather than being restrained by risk, pursue the profit that is the reward for generating new business. An enthusiastic Wall Street provides cash for yet more loans.

But the willingness to downplay the risk of subprime loans turns a business of caution into a hedged bet. Often, buyers qualify for these loans only because they can afford payments at the introductory rate, without considering how they'll make good once the rate goes up.

While home prices kept rising, it hardly seemed a gamble. Lenders and investors embraced the high returns generated by such loans. For consumers with shaky credit, it was easier to buy a home, easy to refinance and easy to sell for a gain.

Then the market turned — and for many homeowners, the escape hatch slammed shut.

There will always be people who fall behind on loans.

But "house prices are no longer the lifesaver they were for people in good times," says Ellen Schloemer of the Center for Responsible Lending, which recently projected a sharp rise in subprime foreclosures in the next few years.

Now, owners in trouble are living in homes that may be worth substantially less than they owe. They can't sell or refinance. They are ensnared in loans whose costs keep rising.

It is a vortex that's difficult to escape. Schloemer calls it "the perfect storm."

___

On their first night as homeowners, the Snearys celebrated at one of the kids' favorite restaurants, Old Chicago, with a deep-dish pepperoni pizza. The next morning, Tim borrowed a trailer from work and moved them in. They set to work making the place their own, repainting the exterior themselves in a stunning night-sky shade called Suddenly Sapphire.

They stopped when they ran out of paint. Two years later, patches of pink still show through the eastern wall.

For a few months, anyway, they kept pace with the costs. But as 2004 ended, Tim's employer — who had already laid him off and called him back — sent him home for good.

With little saved, the Snearys immediately fell behind, missing two payments.

By now, their loan had been sold. The new loan servicer, Homecomings Financial, told them they'd need to catch up and set up a payment plan. The Snearys' monthly bill jumped to $1,920.

After three months, Tim found a new job for two-thirds of his previous pay. A tax refund helped. But the larger payments "had us strapped so tight it wasn't even funny," he says.

So Angela took on more hours.

In July 2005, she pointed her Saturn into Denver's morning rush. Trying to merge into traffic on I-25, the car was slammed from behind. It spun across traffic and smashed into the concrete divider.

Doctors said Angela would be OK. But disabling headaches kept her home for three weeks, and made work for another three all but impossible. The couple fell further behind.

The lender set up a new payment plan. Monthly costs jumped to $2,100. Angela began draining her small 401(k).

If the Snearys could make it through 2006, maybe they could refinance and dig out.

Now, though, there was another problem.

They still owed nearly all of their loan. But their home was worth much less in a real estate market slowed by economic uncertainty and bloated by new construction. The couple, convinced they'd overpaid, couldn't refinance or sell.

Instead, they neared the two-year mark, when their interest rate would jump.

The lender "said you're going to have to pay ... or we'll have to go to foreclosure," Tim says. "Well, I guess I'm going to have to go foreclosure because I've given everything I have to give and you can't squeeze blood from a turnip."

The foreclosure notice came last October. The Snearys have not made a payment since.

In theory, if they paid up, they could keep the house. But there is no money or incentive.

A few weeks ago, Homecomings sent a letter. Stay and their interest rate will leap again to 12.8 percent. Payments that were impossible to meet temporarily will become permanent.

___

Late last year, a form letter arrived in the Snearys' box from their original lender, Sebring Capital, inviting them to refinance.

"I thought it was crazy," Tim says. They threw the letter in the trash.

It's just as well. Weeks later, Sebring folded, a stark example of how quickly subprime lending has soured.

Sebring, a mid-sized lender, hardly wasted away. Near the end, it was initiating nearly $200 million in new loans a month, senior vice president Michael Waldron says.

But the company didn't have the cash to keep up, particularly as the market turned, and Sebring went searching for a buyer.

When subprime lenders sell mortgages, they sign contracts promising that loans will meet certain standards and performance measures. Otherwise, the lenders are obligated to take the loans back.

Sebring found a buyer — just as Wall Street began taking notice of the spike in foreclosures and the resulting squeeze on lenders. The deal fell through and the next morning executives at what had been one of Dallas' fastest growing companies gathered their 325 employees to announce they were shutting down.

That would be no big deal if it were only the tale of a single company. But in recent months, more than two dozen subprime lenders have stumbled or failed.

The question now is just how many more bad loans like the Snearys' are still out there — and who will be left holding the bag.

___

Officially, it's an auction.

But there is no machine-gun sales chatter at Adams County's weekly foreclosure sale, no gavel-banging. Bargains are doubtful, so no bidders show up. It is mostly a formality, finished minutes after it begins.

That's the scene this Wednesday morning, when the Sneary home goes up for sale. With many homes worth less than borrowers owe, the only bids are the ones submitted in advance by the banks holding the soured loans.

The lack of bids gives Tim and Angela 75 more days to move out. They hope that will be enough to find a buyer who'll satisfy their lender, and keep foreclosure from staining their record.

But even if that doesn't happen, the couple has reached an unexpected truce with failure. After two years of fighting to hold on to a house, there's soothing relief in losing. Finally, there's a chance to rest, to crawl out from under the pressure.

They can stop shouting now, the Snearys say. They can give the time they'd spent working to the kids. They'll find new jobs, a place to rent, and try to save.

The Snearys have a long-term plan, too. In a few years, they hope to buy again.

But the next time will be different, Tim and Angela say. They'll stay within their means. They'll borrow more intelligently. And they already know just where to find a deal.

They'll make an offer to another family desperate to escape foreclosure.

Posted 3/26/07 2:45 PM
 
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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

That is heartbreaking.

Posted 3/26/07 3:05 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

OH MAN, ONE OF MY WORST FEARS!!

Posted 3/26/07 3:13 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

as much as it breaks my heart- I also want to yell at them

"The Snearys say they expected to borrow at a fixed rate of 6.5 percent. That would put monthly payments at about $1,290, a little more than rent.

But at the closing in August, all the numbers were higher. The Snearys were offered two loans, both from a Texas subprime lender, Sebring Capital Partners. The first, for 90 percent of the purchase price, was at 8.31 percent, set to adjust after two years. The second, for the remainder, was at 13.69 percent.

The house would cost $1,623.80 a month to start — and it was almost certain to rise."

now- they didn't have a down payment to lose- so get up and walk away when a shady company- they they admitted they didn't reserach pulls a bait and switch

why would you agree to this!

this is going to happen to alot of people- it's really sad- but it just goes to show you that you need to do your homework

if a real estate agent refers a mortgage company- still shop around- they are 100% getting a kick back- which is not legal

by simply using google you can find out an violations a company has against them- from calling on the do not call list to more serious offenses- heck even call the banking department if you aren't sure

Jake was concerned about the people my brother is working for - in 5 minutes Jake's fears were confirmed just by using google and their own website

Posted 3/26/07 3:17 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

I think some people are just naive. They want so desperately to get into a house they only look at the "right now" and not what "might happen." Just because they put no money down doesn't mean they were willing to walk away... they were heartbroken to leave their home but had no choice- the husband lost his job, the wife was injured in a car accident. Even if they had put money down their lives still changed and they weren't able to afford the morgage payment.
I don't think its fair to say " well, they did 100% financing, so they could care less if they foreclose." Its not like you can just walk away like it never happened- a foreclosure will WRECK your credit and you will have a very tough time getting a mortgage in the future!

As for RE agents recommending mortgage brokers or companies - they are not always getting a kickback. IF I recommened a mortgage broker it is because he is a friend of ours and was so helpful to us getting a mortgage, why wouldn't I want to recommend him to others?

Posted 3/26/07 3:30 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

heartbreaking but true

too many people didn't want to think of this happening when they were buying/lending for outrageous mortgages.

sad

Posted 3/26/07 3:32 PM
 

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Posted by SweetTooth

I think some people are just naive. They want so desperately to get into a house they only look at the "right now" and not what "might happen." Just because they put no money down doesn't mean they were willing to walk away... they were heartbroken to leave their home but had no choice- the husband lost his job, the wife was injured in a car accident. Even if they had put money down their lives still changed and they weren't able to afford the morgage payment.
I don't think its fair to say " well, they did 100% financing, so they could care less if they foreclose." Its not like you can just walk away like it never happened- a foreclosure will WRECK your credit and you will have a very tough time getting a mortgage in the future!





I meant walk away from the deal when it was not what they expected- most people who put money down risk losing the down payment if you walk away at closing

you should always be able to walk away-esp when you are about to be riped off in a classic bait and switch

if you were about to buy a car- and right before you signed the papers- if they doubled the interest rate- would you still buy the car? chances are no- but when these things happen a home closing- people still sign- it's scary

buying a house a business transaction- too many people buy with their hearts not their heads

Message edited 3/26/2007 3:40:07 PM.

Posted 3/26/07 3:39 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Beth - I agree with SweetTooth, a lot of people can't walk away because they feel like they're "so in" that they have no other option...plus having their "dream within reach" of owning a home may be too much of a temptation. You can justify anything in that situation...working extra shifts, going without, anything to own a home.

I definitely think it was a combination of things for this family...needing more space, not shopping around, not reading, not being informed...losing a job, illness...

It can happen to anyone, if there are no savings...

Posted 3/26/07 3:44 PM
 

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Posted by Beth1210




I meant walk away from the deal when it was not what they expected- most people who put money down risk losing the down payment if you walk away at closing

you should always be able to walk away-esp when you are about to be riped off in a classic bait and switch

if you were about to buy a car- and right before you signed the papers- if they doubled the interest rate- would you still buy the car? chances are no- but when these things happen a home closing- people still sign- it's scary

buying a house a business transaction- too many people buy with their hearts not their heads




I see what you are saying, and I agree with it somewhat. However, they were not a couple like you and Jake or me and my husband. They had three young children to worry about and they had already given notice on their apartment and packed all of their belongings. Who knows if they could afford to just walk away or get a hotel room. The story doesnt say, and you just cant tell. Yes, they should have done their homework, they should have walked away, etc, but the fact of the matter is that the lenders should be held responsible for this type of bait and switch scam, and ultimately they are responsible for this type of situation as well...

Posted 3/26/07 3:44 PM
 

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Posted by Beth1210

Posted by SweetTooth



I meant walk away from the deal when it was not what they expected- most people who put money down risk losing the down payment if you walk away at closing

you should always be able to walk away-esp when you are about to be riped off in a classic bait and switch

if you were about to buy a car- and right before you signed the papers- if they doubled the interest rate- would you still buy the car? chances are no- but when these things happen a home closing- people still sign- it's scary

buying a house a business transaction- too many people buy with their hearts not their heads




Oh ok I see what you meant.. Can you even do that? Most attorneys won't even draw up a contract if there is no money to put into escrow - just for that reason you don't want the deal falling through. But if there is some kind of mortgage issue, there is usually a contigency for that in the contract, although I don't know about the terms of the mortgage changing, that would be pretty shady.

Posted 3/26/07 3:45 PM
 

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By the way - great article - it was totally worth the read.

Posted 3/26/07 3:46 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Unfortunately, The American Dream of owning a home is not meant for every one.

People who go subprime go there because they cannot get a mortgage with A-List Lenders.

100% financing also does not mean there was no down payment. I don't know any attorney who would allow their clients to sign a contract with no down payment - it's unheard of. So these people probably didn't want to risk losing their dp. I can understand not wanting to walk away.

It's sad that subprime lenders have gone under, but maybe those people shouldn't be buying homes, maybe they should be renting.

Posted 3/26/07 3:49 PM
 

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Posted by lululu
but the fact of the matter is that the lenders should be held responsible for this type of bait and switch scam, and ultimately they are responsible for this type of situation as well...



I agree-but once they go out of business- like 20 of them did already- what can be done?????

these people had to learn the hard way- and I truly feel bad for them- but they made so many mistakes- I hope other people can learn from them

I never want to see anyone lose their home

Posted 3/26/07 3:54 PM
 

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Posted by lululu

By the way - great article - it was totally worth the read.



I agree. A lot of points resonated with me, unfortunately. Chat Icon

One thing I learned, and I hope everyone learns (this is a PSA! Chat Icon ) is please, please, please have at least 3 full months of expenses saved away "in case of" because life is very unpredictable and can change at any minute. Even with the extra income generated and the lower expenses, we found ourselves in a really tough situation when my DH became ill...there were so many unexpected expenses (who thinks of cancer in their 20's?! Chat Icon ) that everything was a huge shock.

We won't make the mistake of not having enough savings again. Lesson learned.

Thankfully, we were fortunate and have amazing families...I know this is not the case for everyone though...and given the condition of some of these mortgages (we have a 30 year fixed, thankfully), I don't see how anyone can dig themselves out after a life setback.

ETA: We didn't do "subprime" and we did have a DP...but still...it can happen to anyone...life can change in one second, sadly.

Message edited 3/26/2007 4:00:06 PM.

Posted 3/26/07 3:56 PM
 

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Posted by Beth1210

as much as it breaks my heart- I also want to yell at them

"The Snearys say they expected to borrow at a fixed rate of 6.5 percent. That would put monthly payments at about $1,290, a little more than rent.

But at the closing in August, all the numbers were higher. The Snearys were offered two loans, both from a Texas subprime lender, Sebring Capital Partners. The first, for 90 percent of the purchase price, was at 8.31 percent, set to adjust after two years. The second, for the remainder, was at 13.69 percent.

The house would cost $1,623.80 a month to start — and it was almost certain to rise."

now- they didn't have a down payment to lose- so get up and walk away when a shady company- they they admitted they didn't reserach pulls a bait and switch

why would you agree to this!

this is going to happen to alot of people- it's really sad- but it just goes to show you that you need to do your homework

if a real estate agent refers a mortgage company- still shop around- they are 100% getting a kick back- which is not legal

by simply using google you can find out an violations a company has against them- from calling on the do not call list to more serious offenses- heck even call the banking department if you aren't sure

Jake was concerned about the people my brother is working for - in 5 minutes Jake's fears were confirmed just by using google and their own website




I agree with just about everything you said here...

except this part:

Posted by Beth1210

if a real estate agent refers a mortgage company- still shop around- they are 100% getting a kick back- which is not legal





this is simply not true. i've referred many people to various mortgage companies - and have NEVER gotten a penny from any one of them. nor would i expect to.

Re the Sneary's in this case: they should have walked away the second they pulled the bait and switch. Unfortunately, the same thing is happening to many families across the country. its very sad.


p.s. EvaLuna, great article. thanks for posting. when i logged onto yahoo earlier, the front page article was about Britney's toothache Chat Icon

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Posted 3/26/07 3:57 PM
 

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I agree with just about everything you said here...

Posted by Beth1210

if a real estate agent refers a mortgage company- still shop around- they are 100% getting a kick back- which is not legal





this is simply not true. i've referred many people to various mortgage companies - and have NEVER gotten a penny from any one of them. nor would i expect to.

.


ok- I take that part back- but it does happen- and you should always shop around- I'm not saying don't go with who they recommend- just talk to at least 2 other people so you know if you are getting a good deal

and use google to check the company- it's free and only takes 1 minute

Posted 3/26/07 4:01 PM
 

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Posted by Beth1210

ok- I take that part back- but it does happen- and you should always shop around- I'm not saying don't go with who they recommend- just talk to at least 2 other people so you know if you are getting a good deal

and use google to check the company- it's free and only takes 1 minute




absolutely - always shop around!

and google is a wonderful tool! Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 3/26/07 4:04 PM
 

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Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by lululu

By the way - great article - it was totally worth the read.



I agree. A lot of points resonated with me, unfortunately. Chat Icon

One thing I learned, and I hope everyone learns (this is a PSA! Chat Icon ) is please, please, please have at least 3 full months of expenses saved away "in case of" because life is very unpredictable and can change at any minute. Even with the extra income generated and the lower expenses, we found ourselves in a really tough situation when my DH became ill...there were so many unexpected expenses (who thinks of cancer in their 20's?! Chat Icon ) that everything was a huge shock.

We won't make the mistake of not having enough savings again. Lesson learned.

Thankfully, we were fortunate and have amazing families...I know this is not the case for everyone though...and given the condition of some of these mortgages (we have a 30 year fixed, thankfully), I don't see how anyone can dig themselves out after a life setback.

ETA: We didn't do "subprime" and we did have a DP...but still...it can happen to anyone...life can change in one second, sadly.



you made some great points- and you are correct- everyone should have at least 3 months expenses in a just in case fund!

their issues started out from the sub prime market- but that adjustable rate is what killed them in the end- they started out $400 higher then they were expecting on a $55K combined salary- that doesn't leave much wiggle room- then to have the rate start adjusting- they were in a bad situation

Posted 3/26/07 4:05 PM
 

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great post Sasha. I read through most of it. I wonder how this new law will effect the housing market which has already slowed...

here's some speculation from CNN Money

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Subprime jitters

The report also raised fears that problems in the subprime mortgage sector first seen in February could further batter the struggling real estate market.

"I really do think the mortgage mess has pretty seriously shocked these markets," said David Seiders, the chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders. He said that when his trade group surveyed members earlier this month, a third were already reporting that changes in the mortgage market and lending standards were cutting into their sales.

"The uncertainties out there right now feel so profound," said Seiders. "We don't know how the tightening of standards will be felt. There's no way to measure it at this point. But there's no reason to think there's going to be a near-term rebound. The fundamentals of the market feel a lot weaker than they did at the beginning of the year."

Paul Kasriel, chief economist with Northern Trust in Chicago, agreed that subprime problems are going to cause the housing market to weaken before it shows any signs of improvement.

"This may reflect the problems caused by subprime," he said. "If it hasn't, it's going to affect sales going forward."

The slowdown in new home sales is also a concern because home building had been an important driver of economic growth during a building boom of 2004 and 2005.

Kasriel said he believes that the nation's economy is close to tipping into a recession due to the weakness in housing and problems in subprime lending. He said he believes the Fed will have to cut interest rates as soon as August, if not sooner, if the economy is to avoid a recession.

Posted 3/26/07 4:30 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Posted by Beth1210



if a real estate agent refers a mortgage company- still shop around- they are 100% getting a kick back- which is not legal




I agree. The first broker we were referred to was so incompetent and started giving us numbers that made this seem so out of reach. A second broker made it MUCH more realistic. Def. shop around.

Posted 3/26/07 4:55 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Posted by Beth1210

Posted by lululu
but the fact of the matter is that the lenders should be held responsible for this type of bait and switch scam, and ultimately they are responsible for this type of situation as well...



I agree-but once they go out of business- like 20 of them did already- what can be done?????

these people had to learn the hard way- and I truly feel bad for them- but they made so many mistakes- I hope other people can learn from them

I never want to see anyone lose their home




Even though the banks have gone out of business - those loans were probably sold into a securitization. Under the securitization predatory lending laws there is assignee liability. Which means that anyone who has touched the loan is liable for predatory lending violations even if they weren't the ones who engaged in it. So, even if the bank is bankrupt their is a trust out their with the pool of mortgage loans and it is that trust that can be sued. Hypothetically, of course (legal disclaimer) Chat Icon

Posted 3/26/07 4:57 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

I feel bad for them, but it kinda goes with that saying that if it is too good to be true then it IS too good to be true. Anyone buying a house with no money down and zero savings for the emergencies is really asking for it. Unfortunately this couple had to learn the hard way but like they said, next time, "They'll stay within their means. They'll borrow more intelligently. And they already know just where to find a deal." I hope their next time comes sooner than later and they are able to get a home they love.

Posted 3/26/07 5:13 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

According to an article in Newsday, there are 1.8 million sub-prime mortgages in effect across the country. If these mortgage holders default, it will send the housing market plummeting. Banks have already started tightening up their requirements for obtaining a mortgage, which means less people will qualify. That means fewer buyers which will affect both new and used home markets. People will hold onto their homes because they won't get the prices they want or they will have to drop their prices significantly, if they have to sell. For people who bought at the high end of the sellers' market, they have no choice but to stay with what they have. It is going to get alot worse before it gets any better. This could, literally, send the economy into a recession. The last time the housing market took a bad turn, it was close to 10 years before it went on an upsweep. I hope I don't see that again.

Posted 3/26/07 6:39 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

Posted by SweetTooth

" well, they did 100% financing, so they could care less if they foreclose." Its not like you can just walk away like it never happened- a foreclosure will WRECK your credit and you will have a very tough time getting a mortgage in the future!




I think she meant because they put nothing down they should have walked away from the closing table and waited till the broker could give them what he/she promised or go with another lender that could give them a better rate.

Posted 3/26/07 7:30 PM
 

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Re: Article (LONG)...Subprime bust forces families from homes

I think it is important here to point out what a subprime mortgage really is. Subprime does not mean 100% financing. Subprime means that the people applying for the loan do not have good credit/and or unverifiable income/AND on top of that in a lot of cases, no money down. These are the people getting I/Os and ARMs that are teasers in the beginning but adjust and then can make payments difficult if not impossible. People who do 100% financing can have superb credit and either 1) do not have a huge savings for a down payment or 2) would rather put their savings towards something else, because tying up a large sum of money in something that might not be profitable is not worth it for some people. You can get a conventional fixed rate mortgage with no money down. If someone can afford the monthly payment - which is NEVER going to change, then what is the difference from those who put money down?

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