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Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
January 6, 2011 — BMJ is publishing a series of 3 articles and editorials charging that the study published in The Lancet in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues linking the childhood measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine to a "new syndrome" of regressive autism and bowel disease was not just bad science but "an elaborate fraud."
According to the first article published in BMJ today by London-based investigative reporter Brian Deer, the study's investigators altered and falsified medical records and facts, misrepresented information to families, and treated the 12 children involved unethically.
In addition, Mr. Wakefield accepted consultancy fees from lawyers who were building a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers, and many of the study participants were referred by an antivaccine organization.
Dr. Fiona Godlee In an accompanying editorial, BMJ Editor-in-Chief Fiona Godlee, MD, Deputy BMJ Editor Jane Smith, and Associate BMJ Editor Harvey Marcovitch write that there is no doubt that Mr. Wakefield perpetrated fraud. "A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in 1 direction; misreporting was gross."
A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in 1 direction; misreporting was gross. Although The Lancet published a retraction of the study last year right after the UK General Medical Council (GMC) announced that the investigators acted "dishonestly" and irresponsibly," the BMJ editors note that the journal did not go far enough.
"The Lancet retraction was prompted by the results from the [General Medical Council] hearing and was very much based on the concerns about the ethics of the study," Dr. Godlee told Medscape Medical News.
"What we found was that it was definite fraud and that is a very important thing for the world to know. This article shows that the science was falsified and should be discounted," continued Dr. Godlee.
This evidence "should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare," the editorial authors add.
Damage to Public Health
Although it included only 12 patients, faced almost immediate criticism, and never had its findings replicated, the study received wide media coverage and set off a panic among parents, with the result that MMR vaccinations decreased dramatically.
The 2003 to 2004 vaccination rate of 80% has now recovered slightly in the United Kingdom, but it is still well below the recommended 95% level recommended to ensure "herd immunity." A measles epidemic was also declared in England and Wales in 2008.
"Perhaps as important as the scare's effect on infectious disease is the energy, emotion, and money that have been diverted away from efforts to understand the real cause of autism and how to help children and families who live with it," the editorialists write.
Mr. Brian Deer Mr. Deer did his first investigative stories on the Wakefield paper in 2004 for the Sunday Times in London and a UK television network. On the basis of his findings, the GMC's Fitness to Practice panel convened in 2007 and heard from 36 witnesses during a period of 2 and a half years.
At the end of January last year, as reported by Medscape Medical News , the panel used strong language in condemning the study's methods and noted that Mr. Wakefield and 2 other colleagues had broken guidelines.
The Lancet issued its retraction 5 days later, citing the panel's findings that the participants were not consecutive patients seeking treatment and that the study had falsely reported being approved by an ethics committee.
Although the GMC later found that Mr. Wakefield and coauthor John Walker-Smith committed serious misconduct and struck them off the medical register, Mr. Wakefield has repeatedly denied doing anything wrong. In addition, he was not among the 10 of 13 coauthors who disavowed the study's findings in 2004.
"Instead, although now disgraced and stripped of his clinical and academic credentials, he continues to push his views. Meanwhile, the damage to public health continues," the editorialists write.
Multiple Discrepancies Found
Last spring, the BMJ went to Mr. Deer to ask if there was more to this story. In this newest article, he reports that "multiple discrepancies" were found, including the following:
Only one of the studied 9 children actually had clear regressive autism and 3 did not have a diagnosis of any autism type; Five had preexisting development concerns — although all 12 were classified in the study as "previously normal"; and The exclusion of important allegations helped create "the appearance of a 14-day temporal link." In addition, none of the 12 patients were "free of misreporting or alteration," he writes.
It cost a tremendous amount of time and money to penetrate the veil of confidentiality that surrounded just these 12 children. So how on earth would anybody penetrate the veil over other larger medical research? When Wakefield did what he did, it was on the assumption that no one would ever be able to find out the truth. "My number 1 takeaway is that it cost a tremendous amount of time and money to penetrate the veil of confidentiality that surrounded just these 12 children. So how on earth would anybody penetrate the veil over other larger medical research? When Wakefield did what he did, it was on the assumption that no one would ever be able to find out the truth," Mr. Deer told Medscape Medical News.
BMJ fact-checked Mr. Deer's article against the 6 million–word transcript of the GMC panel's hearing. Dr. Godlee said she is now calling for reexamination of all of Wakefield's past studies to determine whether others should be retracted. "Past experience tells us that research misconduct is rarely isolated behavior," she writes.
But how did a small case-control study like this set off such a panic in the first place? "I think a lot of people would like to know the answer to that," said Dr. Godlee.
"I think Andrew Wakefield is a terrifically good publicist. He managed to convince his institution to run a press conference for this very small piece of research. The media attention for this grew, and concerns were raised with his subsequent publications."
In addition, she said that many parents have questions about why their children have developed autism and are looking for reasons to explain the onset of its behavioral symptoms. "MMR is a very common intervention, it seemed to fit the picture, and it's very hard to prove that something is safe despite overwhelming evidence that there is no link.
"If you're looking for an explanation, this may seem plausible, although the science is nonsense. Overall, I think it's a combination of very desperate parents looking for answers and a very clever man who was willing to lie and cheat, who was willing to try to advance his own career and financial benefits," noted Dr. Godlee.
Editor's Dread
With questions raised almost from the start, how culpable is The Lancet? And how can other journals protect themselves from publishing falsified studies?
"That is the dread of any editor," said Dr. Godlee. "I think editors' main responsibility is to make sure that what is published is valid in terms of being good research. And I think The Lancet's decision to publish this is the first place was a very questionable decision, especially as it dealt with such a serious issue.
"Why publish research that is not going to advance science and is going to create a vaccine scare? I think there is culpability there. But as for fraud, that is very tricky because science is based on trust," she added.
"None of us go back and ask for the case records of patients involved. But we need to become aware that any article that comes in could be fraudulent. And we have to be absolutely vigilant and investigate properly when concerns are raised. It's a constant cycle of oversight that needs to be done."
Medscape Medical News contacted The Lancet for its reaction to the BMJ series of articles, but officials there had "no comment on this."
Dr. Godlee said that she would also hope that coauthors would serve as backup for honesty in reporting and that all of this study's investigators "failed in their duties as authors" — especially since there were only 12 patients involved.
Adding a name to a paper carries a responsibility to ensure that no fraud has been committed. This should serve as a wake-up call for other researchers in the future. It's their reputation that can be damaged if they are found to be associated with someone else's failures of integrity. "Adding a name to a paper carries a responsibility to ensure that no fraud has been committed. This should serve as a wake-up call for other researchers in the future. It's their reputation that can be damaged if they are found to be associated with someone else's failures of integrity."
Diversion of Research Funds
The editors write that although a breach of trust this large is "almost certainly rare," it raises questions about what could have been done earlier, what further inquiry is needed, and what can be done to keep it from happening again.
Future BMJ articles in the series, to be published during the next 2 weeks, will deal with these questions and about The Lancet's actions from study publication through retraction.
"We wanted to also look at what motivated Andrew Wakefield, looking at the commercial schemes he established to exploit the MMR scare, and then we examine what happened when the issues of concern were first raised back in 2004 and why it was not taken more seriously at that time," explained Dr. Godlee.
"To people who might ask why we're interested in all of this now, the answer is that what Brian Deer has unearthed is much more substantial than what most of us knew or what came out in the GMC hearing. This study was not only bad research but fraudulent as well. And it's taken an enormous amount of time and effort and money away from legitimate lines of inquiry," she concluded.
Mr. Deer's original investigation was funded by the Sunday Times of London and the Channel 4 television network. The current articles were funded by the BMJ. He reported receiving no other funding except for legal costs from the Medical Protection Society on behalf of Mr. Wakefield. The editorial authors have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.
BMJ. Published online January 6, 2011.
[CLOSE WINDOW] Authors and Disclosures Journalist Deborah Brauser is a freelance writer for Medscape.
Deborah Brauser has disclosed no relevant financial relationships.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Ugh
I hate these types of articles.
I, for one, hate the amount, the combo, the quanities and the forcing of vaccinations.
I feel we are over doing it. Something has to give. Why are so many children becoming allergic, sick, autistic etc?
I don't think the MMR is the cause for what's IN it. I think ALL vaccinations are being stuck into my child at an ALARMING rate over a short period of time on a very delicate system.
The MMR is the big bad wolf because of what it has. WHY can I not get it split? I'm not saying do away with it, I'm not saying its the cause of autism. I'm saying I want the CHOICE to spread it out.
So things like this article make people like me seem insane or unreasonable for saying "I think that vaccinations are the cause of many childhood illnesses" because people immediately assume I'm talking about MMR & Austism. I wish there was a study (which is IMPOSSIBLE) to show the # of children affected now with crazy schedule vs the those on a relaxed or altered schedule.
Notice I did not say NON vaccinated children. I said ALTERED schedule. There are TOO many coincidences in this world with vaccinations and children being 'changed' to just be a fluke or a fraud. I think this MMR doesnt equal Autism differs the FACT that there *IS* something wrong.
Sorry....
*hops off soapbox*
ETA: stupid spelling errors
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
honestly - we have to stop blaming vaccines and look at the damage we as humans have done to this environment. We are breathing polluted air, drinking filthy water, and eating foods sprayed with chemicals... not the best combinations for breeding healthy kids
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by lbride
honestly - we have to stop blaming vaccines and look at the damage we as humans have done to this environment. We are breathing polluted air, drinking filthy water, and eating foods sprayed with chemicals... not the best combinations for breeding healthy kids
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nancygrace
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
i too believe it has alot to do with the enviroment, the chemicals added to foods, the antibotics added to foods...all of this was never a factor back when all this wasnt on the rise..
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by nancygrace
i too believe it has alot to do with the enviroment, the chemicals added to foods, the antibotics added to foods...all of this was never a factor back when all this wasnt on the rise..
i agree 1000000000%. I personally also think it has to do with the insane amount of perservatives in the food we eat.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by nancygrace
i too believe it has alot to do with the enviroment, the chemicals added to foods, the antibotics added to foods...all of this was never a factor back when all this wasnt on the rise..
Exactly! A lot of these vaccines have been around for years- we all got them as kids. The difference now is the environmnet, food, etc. I don't think vaccines are to blame... If people stopped vaccinating many diseases like polio, etc would make a come back.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by Xelindrya
Ugh
I hate these types of articles.
I, for one, hate the amount, the combo, the quanities and the forcing of vaccinations.
I feel we are over doing it. Something has to give. Why are so many children becoming allergic, sick, autistic etc?
I don't think the MMR is the cause for what's IN it. I think ALL vaccinations are being stuck into my child at an ALARMING rate over a short period of time on a very delicate system.
The MMR is the big bad wolf because of what it has. WHY can I not get it split? I'm not saying do away with it, I'm not saying its the cause of autism. I'm saying I want the CHOICE to spread it out.
So things like this article make people like me seem insane or unreasonable for saying "I think that vaccinations are the cause of many childhood illnesses" because people immediately assume I'm talking about MMR & Austism. I wish there was a study (which is IMPOSSIBLE) to show the # of children affected now with crazy schedule vs the those on a relaxed or altered schedule.
Notice I did not say NON vaccinated children. I said ALTERED schedule. There are TOO many coincidences in this world with vaccinations and children being 'changed' to just be a fluke or a fraud. I think this MMR doesnt equal Autism differs the FACT that there *IS* something wrong.
Sorry....
*hops off soapbox*
ETA: stupid spelling errors
ITA! I have no problem with Vaccines, just the amount we give in such a short time. I think it is a contributing factor to many childhood illness and allergies and there are others as well, like PP said, environmental.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by nancygrace
i too believe it has alot to do with the enviroment, the chemicals added to foods, the antibotics added to foods...all of this was never a factor back when all this wasnt on the rise..
i also tend to feel that this is more the problem than vaccines, this is why i am goint to try to feed my dd organic or fresh food as often as possible, and hopefully they will be better eaters than me, hopefully people are getting the message that smoking is baaad and quit, and so on although i have no problem if people want to space out vaccines i just dont get not getting vaccines at all
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colesmom
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by nov04libride
It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children.
I'm sorry, this is untrue. Children in the U.S. are NOT dying from measles, mumps or rubella. For the record I'm not anti- vaccines, but I think parents are extremely uninformed and are not given options. Did you know that the second dose of the MMR is not a booster? It's just to "make sure" that the 2-5% of children that didn't get immunization from the first dose get it on the second go around. Why not do a titre (a simple blood test) to find out if the first dose was sufficient?
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by colesmom
For the record I'm not anti- vaccines, but I think parents are extremely uninformed and are not given options. Did you know that the second dose of the MMR is not a booster? It's just to "make sure" that the 2-5% of children that didn't get immunization from the first dose get it on the second go around. Why not do a titre (a simple blood test) to find out if the first dose was sufficient?
Is this an option if we ask do you know? Or is that specific to our peds? Like do they have to do the titre if we ask for it?
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by katiebug
Posted by Xelindrya
Ugh
I hate these types of articles.
I, for one, hate the amount, the combo, the quanities and the forcing of vaccinations.
I feel we are over doing it. Something has to give. Why are so many children becoming allergic, sick, autistic etc?
I don't think the MMR is the cause for what's IN it. I think ALL vaccinations are being stuck into my child at an ALARMING rate over a short period of time on a very delicate system.
The MMR is the big bad wolf because of what it has. WHY can I not get it split? I'm not saying do away with it, I'm not saying its the cause of autism. I'm saying I want the CHOICE to spread it out.
So things like this article make people like me seem insane or unreasonable for saying "I think that vaccinations are the cause of many childhood illnesses" because people immediately assume I'm talking about MMR & Austism. I wish there was a study (which is IMPOSSIBLE) to show the # of children affected now with crazy schedule vs the those on a relaxed or altered schedule.
Notice I did not say NON vaccinated children. I said ALTERED schedule. There are TOO many coincidences in this world with vaccinations and children being 'changed' to just be a fluke or a fraud. I think this MMR doesnt equal Autism differs the FACT that there *IS* something wrong.
Sorry....
*hops off soapbox*
ETA: stupid spelling errors
ITA! I have no problem with Vaccines, just the amount we give in such a short time. I think it is a contributing factor to many childhood illness and allergies and there are others as well, like PP said, environmental.
ITA. I also think if we all took a look at what is actually in the vaccines..we would all be very surprised. It is quite disgusting. The amount given at one time, combined with the chemicals in the vaccines, combined with the environmental/preservatives/chemicals in our world seems to be a recipe for disaster. I also don't see how starting them so early in such a large quantity, can be beneficial. Immune systems need development...I don't think 1 day in the hospital is sufficient time to allow the immune system to develop.
I don't know if vaccines cause autism. I think that is a pretty big claim to make, but I do think the chemicals(formaldehyde, aluminum) in the vaccines are major contributors to allergies, illnesses, and who knows, maybe even autism.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by nancygrace
i too believe it has alot to do with the enviroment, the chemicals added to foods, the antibotics added to foods...all of this was never a factor back when all this wasnt on the rise..
Exactly! A lot of these vaccines have been around for years- we all got them as kids. The difference now is the environmnet, food, etc. I don't think vaccines are to blame... If people stopped vaccinating many diseases like polio, etc would make a come back.
yes like there's been an outbreak of whooping cough
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by nov04libride
It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children.
I think you need to be careful in what you are saying here....Much in the same way that you can't credit autism exclusively to vaccines I don't think you should be using scare tactics like this about the MMR...I think it sends a bold message that is not entirely based on fact...Show me the studies, the news reports that say that children who are not vaccinated against MMR are dying of these diseases...It sounds very much like you are saying if you don't vaccinate that this is going to be the outcome....And really thats not the case.
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ktcmblondie
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
I wanted to add one more thing.....I don't think we can speak for those moms who TRULY believe that a vaccine caused their child to have autism spectrum disorder....If you've ever spent time with a mom whose kid was typically developing until shortly after their 15 month well visit and slowly watched their child unlearn everything they already knew about the world you could not discredit their testimony so easily....All I am saying is maybe we should take a closer look at schedules and ingredients and potential side effects before we disregard their claims.....
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colesmom
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by ruby
Posted by colesmom
For the record I'm not anti- vaccines, but I think parents are extremely uninformed and are not given options. Did you know that the second dose of the MMR is not a booster? It's just to "make sure" that the 2-5% of children that didn't get immunization from the first dose get it on the second go around. Why not do a titre (a simple blood test) to find out if the first dose was sufficient?
Is this an option if we ask do you know? Or is that specific to our peds? Like do they have to do the titre if we ask for it?
Yes, this is always an option. If the titre shows immunity it is sufficient "proof" to enter school with one MMR.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Thanks for sharing! You guys have to read Paul Offitt.... He explains the whole thing so well!
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Thanks for sharing! You guys have to read Paul Offitt.... He explains the whole thing so well!
But Paul Offit makes $$$$$ off of vaccines, so he's not exactly unbiased.
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colesmom
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Thanks for sharing! You guys have to read Paul Offitt.... He explains the whole thing so well!
Love you Liza but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one ... As the inventor of the rotavirus vaccination Paul Offit earns royalties on every vaccine given. I don't believe he can be impartial.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
I asked my daughters ped if she could have a blood test to see if the MMR had taken and he looked at me like I was mad and said " it would be much easier to give her a shot than to draw blood and that is why we give a second shot to be on the safe side and it way easier than trying to draw blood from 4 year olds".
I did not give the booster as DD is not in kindergarten yet and have not fully decided on whether I will give it or get the blood work done.
I will also be giving my DS the MMR when he is 3 as opposed to now - he is 17 months now.
Even with this new findings coming out today I dont jump up and say hurrah.....the MMR is safe, I still believe very strongly that we give too many shots to our babies too soon and that is why I choose to vaccinate but on a delayed schedule.
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colesmom
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by NervousNell
Exactly! A lot of these vaccines have been around for years- we all got them as kids. The difference now is the environmnet, food, etc. I don't think vaccines are to blame... If people stopped vaccinating many diseases like polio, etc would make a come back.
We didn't all get these vaccines - not even close. This is what we got vs. what our kids are getting.
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ktcmblondie
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by beachgirl
I asked my daughters ped if she could have a blood test to see if the MMR had taken and he looked at me like I was mad and said " it would be much easier to give her a shot than to draw blood and that is why we give a second shot to be on the safe side and it way easier than trying to draw blood from 4 year olds".
I did not give the booster as DD is not in kindergarten yet and have not fully decided on whether I will give it or get the blood work done.
I will also be giving my DS the MMR when he is 3 as opposed to now - he is 17 months now.
Even with this new findings coming out today I dont jump up and say hurrah.....the MMR is safe, I still believe very strongly that we give too many shots to our babies too soon and that is why I choose to vaccinate but on a delayed schedule.
Easier for him maybe....he's not up at night wondering if he did the right thing that day....I've drawn my kids blood for titres and while its unpleasant its not as unpleasant as dealing with possible vaccine injuries which do without question exist.
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by ktcmblondie
Posted by nov04libride
It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children.
I think you need to be careful in what you are saying here....Much in the same way that you can't credit autism exclusively to vaccines I don't think you should be using scare tactics like this about the MMR...I think it sends a bold message that is not entirely based on fact...Show me the studies, the news reports that say that children who are not vaccinated against MMR are dying of these diseases...It sounds very much like you are saying if you don't vaccinate that this is going to be the outcome....And really thats not the case.
I didnt get that message at all??? And I know for a fact that children did die this very year from the flu, and if they were vaccinatd it may have not been the case. I dont think there was a scare tactic message here at all? She is also stating this came from a cousin who is a ped .. I dont think she is saying it just to say it? ETA: Before the vaccine became avail in 1971 people were dying.. What makes you think they cant die from it now if they contact it?
I know this is a sore subject and we all have to make decisions for our children everyday.. I tried to delay my childs vaccinations also but it didnt work out that way.. She is 18 mos and completely up to date. I just saw the news also this am about these new findings and If there is any truth to the link of vaccinations and autisum they just blew it out the window .. It is a fac tthat they falsified dates and information completely to make there point .. It is a proven fact they did this .. So they have not one bit of proof of this being true..
I do agree if we speak to a mother who has experienced a complete change in there child after they have been given a vaccination I would most certainly be sceptical .. I actually did .. A woman told me her son went down hill after his chicken pox vaccination.. He has to re learn everything he knew .. So I dont really know how I feel .. its very confusing and scary
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Posted 1/6/11 10:51 PM |
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bella
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by colesmom
Posted by nov04libride
It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children.
I'm sorry, this is untrue. Children in the U.S. are NOT dying from measles, mumps or rubella. For the record I'm not anti- vaccines, but I think parents are extremely uninformed and are not given options. Did you know that the second dose of the MMR is not a booster? It's just to "make sure" that the 2-5% of children that didn't get immunization from the first dose get it on the second go around. Why not do a titre (a simple blood test) to find out if the first dose was sufficient?
*this*
Also do keep in mind SOME children do in fact have reactions to vaccines--not necessarily autism but they can cause other problems as well.
Increasing the amount given over time, adding new vaccines and forcing them on people, giving boosters that MAY not be needed.... it makes you wonder if people are looking out for the best interests of your child even (if some are good and help prevent disease.) or their best interests...
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