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ktcmblondie
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by Diana712
Posted by ktcmblondie
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It's so sad--my cousin is a ped. and has seen children die of MMR b/c their parents refused the vaccine due to what is now known to be a false claim of linkage. For the other parents who beat themselves up for "causing" autism by allowing the vaccine for their children. 
I think you need to be careful in what you are saying here....Much in the same way that you can't credit autism exclusively to vaccines I don't think you should be using scare tactics like this about the MMR...I think it sends a bold message that is not entirely based on fact...Show me the studies, the news reports that say that children who are not vaccinated against MMR are dying of these diseases...It sounds very much like you are saying if you don't vaccinate that this is going to be the outcome....And really thats not the case.
I didnt get that message at all??? And I know for a fact that children did die this very year from the flu, and if they were vaccinatd it may have not been the case. I dont think there was a scare tactic message here at all? She is also stating this came from a cousin who is a ped .. I dont think she is saying it just to say it? ETA: Before the vaccine became avail in 1971 people were dying.. What makes you think they cant die from it now if they contact it?
I know this is a sore subject and we all have to make decisions for our children everyday.. I tried to delay my childs vaccinations also but it didnt work out that way.. She is 18 mos and completely up to date. I just saw the news also this am about these new findings and If there is any truth to the link of vaccinations and autisum they just blew it out the window .. It is a fac tthat they falsified dates and information completely to make there point .. It is a proven fact they did this .. So they have not one bit of proof of this being true..
I do agree if we speak to a mother who has experienced a complete change in there child after they have been given a vaccination I would most certainly be sceptical .. I actually did .. A woman told me her son went down hill after his chicken pox vaccination.. He has to re learn everything he knew .. So I dont really know how I feel .. its very confusing and scary
I don't think I explicitly said that unvaccinated children could NOT die of measles mumps or rubella anywhere in my post....I simply said choosing not to vaccinate does not mean your child will die of MMR. You don't hear of children under 12 months dying of it do you? Thats all...
As far as "blowing the link between autism and vaccinations out the window" This one particular study has been discredited by several people but it does not discredit the link entirely....If you recall the US Supreme Court awarded a family money after a child was vaccinated and found to have ASD due to a mitochondrial disorder (one that children are not regularly screened for) being activated by the injuries caused by the vaccines...And like I said before it doesn't disprove the testimony of so many other families...
I also want to state that I don't think that this article holds as much weight in parents decisions to not vaccinate as much as everybody thinks it does
Not my intention to offend just my opinion and I know not everyone agrees
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by Denise
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Ugh
I hate these types of articles.
I, for one, hate the amount, the combo, the quanities and the forcing of vaccinations.
I feel we are over doing it. Something has to give. Why are so many children becoming allergic, sick, autistic etc?
I don't think the MMR is the cause for what's IN it. I think ALL vaccinations are being stuck into my child at an ALARMING rate over a short period of time on a very delicate system.
The MMR is the big bad wolf because of what it has. WHY can I not get it split? I'm not saying do away with it, I'm not saying its the cause of autism. I'm saying I want the CHOICE to spread it out.
So things like this article make people like me seem insane or unreasonable for saying "I think that vaccinations are the cause of many childhood illnesses" because people immediately assume I'm talking about MMR & Austism. I wish there was a study (which is IMPOSSIBLE) to show the # of children affected now with crazy schedule vs the those on a relaxed or altered schedule.
Notice I did not say NON vaccinated children. I said ALTERED schedule. There are TOO many coincidences in this world with vaccinations and children being 'changed' to just be a fluke or a fraud. I think this MMR doesnt equal Autism differs the FACT that there *IS* something wrong.
Sorry....
*hops off soapbox*
ETA: stupid spelling errors
ITA! I have no problem with Vaccines, just the amount we give in such a short time. I think it is a contributing factor to many childhood illness and allergies and there are others as well, like PP said, environmental.
ITA. I also think if we all took a look at what is actually in the vaccines..we would all be very surprised. It is quite disgusting. The amount given at one time, combined with the chemicals in the vaccines, combined with the environmental/preservatives/chemicals in our world seems to be a recipe for disaster. I also don't see how starting them so early in such a large quantity, can be beneficial. Immune systems need development...I don't think 1 day in the hospital is sufficient time to allow the immune system to develop.
I don't know if vaccines cause autism. I think that is a pretty big claim to make, but I do think the chemicals(formaldehyde, aluminum) in the vaccines are major contributors to allergies, illnesses, and who knows, maybe even autism.
ITA. The chemicals scare me, but I'm also not crazy about injecting monkey kidney cells, baby cow serum and human blood proteins into my DS. Also, when I was a kid I was given 7 vaccines TOTAL. If you follow the AAP guidelines you end up with 36 vaccinations (39 if you include HPV for girls), 27 of which are before the child's 2nd birthday. To me that is INSANE. I have a schedule worked out so that my DS will only get 13 vaccines total in his lifetime. I hate that it's all or nothing in NY. As the parent I *should* have the right to choose which vaccines my DS gets.
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Dulcinea
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by OrganicMama
ITA. The chemicals scare me, but I'm also not crazy about injecting monkey kidney cells, baby cow serum and human blood proteins into my DS. Also, when I was a kid I was given 7 vaccines TOTAL. If you follow the AAP guidelines you end up with 36 vaccinations (39 if you include HPV for girls), 27 of which are before the child's 2nd birthday. To me that is INSANE. I have a schedule worked out so that my DS will only get 13 vaccines total in his lifetime. I hate that it's all or nothing in NY. As the parent I *should* have the right to choose which vaccines my DS gets.
I agree completely.
The CDC should really review the vaccination schedule and spread out the vaccines more. Vaccinations are not a 'one size fits all' solution. For example, vaccine allergies exists and since most babies don't get tested for allergies before getting vaccinated, parents won't know until a serious reaction occur).
Every child is different and vaccination reactions will vary from none to more serious. That's why the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) exists. Children have been injured after being vaccinated. VICP has paid out almost 2 billion so far since it was formed in the 80's.
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katiebug
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by OrganicMama
ITA. The chemicals scare me, but I'm also not crazy about injecting monkey kidney cells, baby cow serum and human blood proteins into my DS. Also, when I was a kid I was given 7 vaccines TOTAL. If you follow the AAP guidelines you end up with 36 vaccinations (39 if you include HPV for girls), 27 of which are before the child's 2nd birthday. To me that is INSANE. I have a schedule worked out so that my DS will only get 13 vaccines total in his lifetime. I hate that it's all or nothing in NY. As the parent I *should* have the right to choose which vaccines my DS gets.
There is little that pisses me off more then the fact that the state tells me how to raise my child. I am totally against the chicken pox vaccine, and I am going to be forced to give it to DS unless he gets it before he starts school.
I need to find an old school chicken pox party.
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melbalalala
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Before I was a mom, I would  at the anti-immunization mothers <As well as the adjusted schedule mothers>
Now that I am a Mom, I ask with genuine interest because I don't know much about this... why would the CDC and AAP recommend the schedule they do if it was harmful for children? What's in it for them?
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Diane
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by ruby
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For the record I'm not anti- vaccines, but I think parents are extremely uninformed and are not given options. Did you know that the second dose of the MMR is not a booster? It's just to "make sure" that the 2-5% of children that didn't get immunization from the first dose get it on the second go around. Why not do a titre (a simple blood test) to find out if the first dose was sufficient?
Is this an option if we ask do you know? Or is that specific to our peds? Like do they have to do the titre if we ask for it?
YES...you can ask your PED to do simple bloodwork and scheck Titers.
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Denise
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by melbalalala
Before I was a mom, I would at the anti-immunization mothers <As well as the adjusted schedule mothers>
Now that I am a Mom, I ask with genuine interest because I don't know much about this... why would the CDC and AAP recommend the schedule they do if it was harmful for children? What's in it for them?
I have asked myself the same question. Why would they recommend a harmful schedule? The only answer I come up with is money. It is a big money industry. I haven't vaxed DD(5months) yet (haven't ruled it out down the road) We have vaccinations with formaldehyde,aluminum,monkey kidney cells, baby cow serum and human blood proteins(as organic mama pointed out). We have baby formula that has parts of it treated with hexane,acid,and bleach. And I ask myself "Would I ingest this stuff myself?" The answer is no. So why would I give to my child? Nobody denies vaccinations have probably saved lives, but many believe they have taken some too. I know a lot of anti vaxers who would vaccinate if all the junk was taken out.
Another thing, is that vaccinations are not 100% guaranteed. So why would I ingest all these chemicals into my child, starting at 1 day old, if she is not 100% protected? In fact, a lot of the cases of Pertussis, were in vaccinated children. Granted many lives have been saved, but I don't think we can discount the ones who have been ruined.
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Diane
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by ktcmblondie
I wanted to add one more thing.....I don't think we can speak for those moms who TRULY believe that a vaccine caused their child to have autism spectrum disorder....If you've ever spent time with a mom whose kid was typically developing until shortly after their 15 month well visit and slowly watched their child unlearn everything they already knew about the world you could not discredit their testimony so easily....All I am saying is maybe we should take a closer look at schedules and ingredients and potential side effects before we disregard their claims.....
THANK YOU!!!!!
I am not to blame vaccines caused my son's Autism. But I do believe it had something to do with it. I look back at the DTap, that is 3 in one.
People should STOP pointing the fingers, until you have walked in the shoes of a parent with a child with Autism.
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| Posted 1/7/11 7:26 AM |
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pickles16
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
Posted by lbride
honestly - we have to stop blaming vaccines and look at the damage we as humans have done to this environment. We are breathing polluted air, drinking filthy water, and eating foods sprayed with chemicals... not the best combinations for breeding healthy kids
ITA!!!!!!
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nycgirl
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
The issue is not whether or not vaccines cause autism (which according to studies, there is no proof of)...
The issue is there is a MD who fibbed about his research to get a "hot" paper, which was televised by the media... and now, people who don't know much about autism (myself included) are scared and don't know who to trust.
I don't use plastic bottles because I think they may release chemicals that may have something to do with autism... but I really don't know (and I feed DS similac from a plastic container).
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Peainapod
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Re: Autism and MMR Vaccine Study an 'Elaborate Fraud,' Charges BMJ
its all very confusing and very scary these days as a parent to know whats best. I want to naively think that our pediatricians will have the best interest of kids at heart; but thats not always the case.
I remember asking about vaccinations and autism at my child birthing class as we had a pediatrician there for discussion. (in fact, they are the practice that i chose to go with); She said that most often times parents correlate vaccination and behavioral problems b/c they notice changes after the vaccines. However, that behaviorial changes and regression can start to show themselves around the same age and showing it after the shot is usually conincidental...Honestly, i think its anyone's guess at this point and there's so much conflicting information Im so torn as to what to do.
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