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LadyBug1209
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Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

My cousin has 16mo twins. She has chosen to delay giving them the MMR shot for a little while longer. Because of this, their pediatrician no longer wants to see them, so she needs to find another one. Can they even do this??? Chat Icon

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Posted 9/25/11 8:28 PM
 
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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

They absolutely can. A lot of peds have their schedule posted and will say they will kick you out if you don't follow it.


ETA: Not saying I agree with it.

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Posted 9/25/11 8:36 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.

Posted 9/25/11 8:37 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

My ped has a notice in all the exam rooms that they follow the vaccination schedule according to the AAP and if you don't like it you need to find a different practice. The letter is actually very harsh.

ETA: Obviously there are circumstances in which they do delay. For example at my DS's 12 month well visit he had an ear infection so they didn't vaccinate him.

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Posted 9/25/11 8:39 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Posted by Stacey1403

They absolutely can. A lot of peds have their schedule posted and will say they will kick you out if you don't follow it.



This. I think kicking out is a little extreme if they want to delay a month or two (we had to delay some not due to choice, but because my mom was getting chemo and couldn't be around DS when he had vaccines that were live).

Posted 9/25/11 8:39 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Posted by saraH

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.




To be sympathetic to the ped though, if a parent refuses vaccines and then brings in a child with measles, mumps, etc., they could infect newborns in the office who are not yet vaccinated.

Posted 9/25/11 8:41 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

When is the MMR usually given? 15 months or so? They are 16mo so they could have at least given her a little breathing room to decide when she wants to do it.

I'm not sure if they had signs up or not, but to refuse care is a bit extreme IMO! I couldn't believe it when she told me!

Posted 9/25/11 8:42 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Yes my pediatrician will not treat a child who's parents refuse to vaccinate their child. She is very up front about it too. She will delay a vaccine if a child is sick, but other wise she sticks to the schedule which I love!

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Posted 9/25/11 8:43 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

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Posted by saraH

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.




To be sympathetic to the ped though, if a parent refuses vaccines and then brings in a child with measles, mumps, etc., they could infect newborns in the office who are not yet vaccinated.



And any child not old enough to receive a vaccine is in danger every single place they go - not just the peds office. I have a good friend whose child wasn't old enough to get the chicken pox vaccine, contracted chicken pox and had to go to the pediatrician - thereby potentially infecting ALL other kids who weren't old enough to be vaccinated. Said child contracted chicken pox at daycare.

Posted 9/25/11 8:44 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Posted by nov04libride

Posted by saraH

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.




To be sympathetic to the ped though, if a parent refuses vaccines and then brings in a child with measles, mumps, etc., they could infect newborns in the office who are not yet vaccinated.



Good point.

I can defiinitely see the ped's POV, but it's not like she has refused it. She just wants to delay it (I'm not sure what her reasoning is).

I found it a bit extreme, so I just wanted to get some opinions!

Posted 9/25/11 8:48 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Our ped has that sign up as well. As long as my kids get the vaccines within the recommended time frame he is ok. My kids received only one or two shots per visit and then we would come back for the rest of them but always within the recommended time frame. He said he did kick some patients out for refusing to get the shots at all.

Posted 9/25/11 9:01 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

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Posted by nov04libride

Posted by saraH

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.




To be sympathetic to the ped though, if a parent refuses vaccines and then brings in a child with measles, mumps, etc., they could infect newborns in the office who are not yet vaccinated.



And any child not old enough to receive a vaccine is in danger every single place they go - not just the peds office. I have a good friend whose child wasn't old enough to get the chicken pox vaccine, contracted chicken pox and had to go to the pediatrician - thereby potentially infecting ALL other kids who weren't old enough to be vaccinated. Said child contracted chicken pox at daycare.




Of course, but if I was the ped., I would have the same rule. My DS was in the NICU and I didn't take him to any public place for the first months he was home, except for the ped. where we had to go. You're exposed, but as a ped., I would limit unnecessary exposure by requiring vaccinations.

That said, we really don't know how the conversation went b/w your friend and the ped. I would think it is overreacting for a delay of a month or two, but if she implied that she was considering not getting it at all, then you need a doctor who shares your views.

Posted 9/25/11 9:02 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Posted by nov04libride

Posted by saraH

Wow, I have no idea. I suppose, legally, they can refuse to just practice on anyone. I mean, we as parents, have the right to refuse shots. I don't know that a dr can stop treating a patient because they don't agree with our decisions.




To be sympathetic to the ped though, if a parent refuses vaccines and then brings in a child with measles, mumps, etc., they could infect newborns in the office who are not yet vaccinated.



I had the same thought as I was typing that. I think it protects the dr.

Posted 9/25/11 9:06 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

My Pediatrician's website has this posted along with a bunch of info about vaccines and the timeline for them:

"If you have decided that you will not give your child any of the childhood vaccines, then clearly our philosophy and yours do not match and you should find a pediatric group more in line with your thinking. "

Posted 9/25/11 9:15 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

They can which is ridiculous IMO. There is zero science behind the vaccine schedule, none!

Our peds have fully supported our decision to space and delay. Neither of my children got MMR or chicken pox or Hep B until just before preschool. No one batted an eye. It's my kid, my decision.

Posted 9/25/11 9:22 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Posted by PreshusSmurf

My Pediatrician's website has this posted along with a bunch of info about vaccines and the timeline for them:

"If you have decided that you will not give your child any of the childhood vaccines, then clearly our philosophy and yours do not match and you should find a pediatric group more in line with your thinking. "



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It was nicely put.

As for me, DS was supposed to get his MMR around 15 months. That put him right in line for Thanksgiving for the 7-10 day reaction. Right after Thanksgiving we had a trip to see my parents, then it was Christmas. We delayed it 2 months because of holidays. Once his appt came in January, he was sick. So, again it was delayed. Things happen. He got the shot at 19 months. Our pediatrician did not kick him out for a few months of delayed vaccine. But I can understand those that do.

Posted 9/25/11 9:25 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Absolutely. My ped office said right up front that they do not believe in delaying or not giving vaccines. If we had a problem with that they said we would need to find another ped. They have a right to run their practice as they see fit and if ur philosophies on medicine do not jive with theirs then to be honest, it's just not a good match.

Posted 9/25/11 9:45 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Yep. It's not an emergency situation & there are plenty of pediatricians out there.

Posted 9/25/11 9:50 PM
 

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Posted by Hofstra26

Absolutely. My ped office said right up front that they do not believe in delaying or not giving vaccines. If we had a problem with that they said we would need to find another ped. They have a right to run their practice as they see fit and if ur philosophies on medicine do not jive with theirs then to be honest, it's just not a good match.



Yeah I agree with this. I wouldn't want to go to a ped who's philosophy was so different than mine anyway.
It would be like me seeking out a midwife when I was dead set on an epidural etc...

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Posted 9/25/11 10:37 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

A ped can kick out any patient they choose to.

Posted 9/25/11 11:13 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

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Posted by Hofstra26

Absolutely. My ped office said right up front that they do not believe in delaying or not giving vaccines. If we had a problem with that they said we would need to find another ped. They have a right to run their practice as they see fit and if ur philosophies on medicine do not jive with theirs then to be honest, it's just not a good match.



Yeah I agree with this. I wouldn't want to go to a ped who's philosophy was so different than mine anyway.
It would be like me seeking out a midwife when I was dead seat on an epidural etc...



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Posted 9/25/11 11:16 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Do they have the legal right? Yes.

If you are having kids and selecting a pediatrician best thing to do is to ask upfront about their philosophy on vaccines if you feel that will be an issue for you.

However, realize that the more academic (i.e. smarter) pediatricians who are in the know about the science of pediatrics will be more likely to be pro vaccine.

Posted 9/25/11 11:24 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

I wonder if it's also a liability thing, like if the parent could later turn around and sue the doctor if their child contracted some disease (even if the parent was the one refusing/delaying the vaccine). I don't know, but just a thought.

I work in the mental health field, and I know that psychiatrists (MD's) will refuse to treat patients who do not follow certain treatment recommendations in certain situations. I guess it can become a liability if something happens to the person, and they feel that the person is not going to get better if they don't follow the treatment recommendations. I know psychologists do this as well.

Posted 9/25/11 11:25 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Yes, absolutely. I just recently watched a story on the news about how more and more pediatric practices are starting to refuse patients who don't want to vaccinate on the recommended schedule. Because of the growing number of parents who are refusing or delaying certain (or all) vaccines, many of these diseases are making a comeback. This new movement by some pediatricians is an effort to curb that, and to protect their patients.

Posted 9/25/11 11:48 PM
 

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Re: Can a pediatrician kick a child out of their practice??

Yes, they are bussiness and don't have to accept your bussiness.

They have a strong view on what they feel is right about vaccinations and if they don't want to contribute to something that they feel so strongly about.

Posted 9/26/11 12:12 AM
 
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