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Re: Curious: The Flu
DH's uncle died after developing Guillain–Barré syndrome. This strongly influences our decisions to not vaccinate ourselves or our children from the flu.
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gina409
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by computergirl
but these legions of moms who saw their children change forever right before their eyes.... can they all be total coincidences?
Yes. The time autism begins to appear developmentally happens to coincide with the time children receive certain vaccines. Correlation, not causation.
i would like you to come to my sister's house,meet her daughter vanessa
she is severely autistic,she would say hello back but she does not speak
i would like you to tell my sister how sure you are,how she is wrong to have any concern
bc when vanessa was 12 months old and got a mmr shot and a flu shot the babbling she did before,the mama the dada all went away
you tell that mom she should not feel that way,that there is no correlation,see the look in her eyes
(for the record i am not starting a debate,everyone has the right to do what they want..this was just a response to a response of what i felt was a dig to any mom that had those thoughts,thoughts it was connected and the response was no you are crazy one has nothing to do with another)
so easy to say they are not related,and maybe they are not,but again so easy to say that when it did not happen to your kid
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gina409
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by computergirl
Posted by JenniferEver
ETA: I feel vaccines have somewhat become a political issue and people have unfounded fears about them when vaccines have been shown to be both effective and relatively harmless for decades.
I don't want to derail this discussion any further, but just wanted to address this one point on behalf of parents whose children have a suspected vaccine injury.
Although my own children are fully vaccinated and never suffered any ill effects, I would NEVER dare to argue vaccine safety with a mom who saw their own child permanently regress shortly after receiving certain vaccines. I understand that no legitimate studies have proven a link between vaccines and autism, but these legions of moms who saw their children change forever right before their eyes.... can they all be total coincidences?
Just saying that not all fears are "unfounded".
thank you
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itsbabytime
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by gina409
Posted by computergirl
Posted by JenniferEver
ETA: I feel vaccines have somewhat become a political issue and people have unfounded fears about them when vaccines have been shown to be both effective and relatively harmless for decades.
I don't want to derail this discussion any further, but just wanted to address this one point on behalf of parents whose children have a suspected vaccine injury.
Although my own children are fully vaccinated and never suffered any ill effects, I would NEVER dare to argue vaccine safety with a mom who saw their own child permanently regress shortly after receiving certain vaccines. I understand that no legitimate studies have proven a link between vaccines and autism, but these legions of moms who saw their children change forever right before their eyes.... can they all be total coincidences?
Just saying that not all fears are "unfounded".
thank you
I totally agree with this. The fact of the matter is alot of these arguments come from ignorance. The product insert itself for the DTaP shot says that Autism is a rare but reported complication of the vaccine. EVERY vaccine comes with a list of admitted ACTUAL adverse events that have happened and continue to happen. Count your lucky stars if none of your kids and none of the children you know have been injured by a vaccine. And, don't write it off unless you've asked everyone you know. Ive found I didn't realize how many of DS and DD's friends have had adverse reactions until it comes up in conversation.
I think it's so easy to be dismissive - my DD had a 107 fever in reaction to a prevnar shot. Everyone, including the ped said oh it must be something else - maybe she is sick etc. etc. NOPE - I brought her in so he could see it with his own eyes. And, then, I hear how it does happen but, not common. I have a friend whose son had a rare reaction to the flu shot when he was 2.5 - NEVER reacted to a shot before or since. The boy ended up with a rare syndrome that lasted for months - rash all over his body and his liver was affected and he had to take meds...even then, he was lucky that it did go back to normal...I could go on and on.
People are saying on this thread they don't understand why people don't get the flu shot and frankly I just don't get that???? Have you done any research into it at all???? I GET WHY PEOPLE GET THE VACCINE - I DO - and in certain situations I could see how the benefits outweigh the risks but, if anyone can stand there and say they don't see how the opposite can be true I honestly am left  That is why I never understand these threads. I feel like it is cut and dry - there are kids the flu shot is a benefit for and there are kids where it is not worth the risk - same is true for adults. If you have a family history of serious reactions to shots why would you take the chance? Just like if there was a family history of complicating factors like asthma etc. I would say get the flu shot. What is good for one is not always good for all - why can't both sides be right?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
I understand why people chose not to get the vaccine. There are many reasons why you might decide that. Your experinece (whether you've seen bad flus or bad reactions to a vaccine) will change your opinions. I just don't understand the whole negative attitude toward vaccine or the hysteria over thinking there's some myster substance in it or that it's somehow designed to hurt people. That makes me 
For me, I really feel like the potential risks are so small compared to the potential benefits.Yeah the flu shot has chemicals in it, but there really isn't much evidence that it's more harmful than any other medication
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by JenniferEver
I understand why people chose not to get the vaccine. There are many reasons why you might decide that. Your experinece (whether you've seen bad flus or bad reactions to a vaccine) will change your opinions. I just don't understand the whole negative attitude toward vaccine or the hysteria over thinking there's some myster substance in it or that it's somehow designed to hurt people. That makes me
For me, I really feel like the potential risks are so small compared to the potential benefits.Yeah the flu shot has chemicals in it, but there really isn't much evidence that it's more harmful than any other medication
We know how you feel, we get it, believe me.
But not one person on this thread said that they are afraid of something harmful being put in there on purpose!
Not everyone has to agree with my decisions, because they are mine! Not everybody has to agree with your decisions. Live and let live already.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by JenniferEver
I understand why people chose not to get the vaccine. There are many reasons why you might decide that. Your experinece (whether you've seen bad flus or bad reactions to a vaccine) will change your opinions. I just don't understand the whole negative attitude toward vaccine or the hysteria over thinking there's some myster substance in it or that it's somehow designed to hurt people. That makes me
For me, I really feel like the potential risks are so small compared to the potential benefits.Yeah the flu shot has chemicals in it, but there really isn't much evidence that it's more harmful than any other medication
We know how you feel, we get it, believe me.
But not one person on this thread said that they are afraid of something harmful being put in there on purpose!
Not everyone has to agree with my decisions, because they are mine! Not everybody has to agree with your decisions. Live and let live already.
I didn't say they did. My own post (won't say for others) related to people I know IRL.
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MrsPenthouse
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by gina409
Posted by computergirl
Posted by JenniferEver
ETA: I feel vaccines have somewhat become a political issue and people have unfounded fears about them when vaccines have been shown to be both effective and relatively harmless for decades.
I don't want to derail this discussion any further, but just wanted to address this one point on behalf of parents whose children have a suspected vaccine injury.
Although my own children are fully vaccinated and never suffered any ill effects, I would NEVER dare to argue vaccine safety with a mom who saw their own child permanently regress shortly after receiving certain vaccines. I understand that no legitimate studies have proven a link between vaccines and autism, but these legions of moms who saw their children change forever right before their eyes.... can they all be total coincidences?
Just saying that not all fears are "unfounded".
thank you
I totally agree with this. The fact of the matter is alot of these arguments come from ignorance. The product insert itself for the DTaP shot says that Autism is a rare but reported complication of the vaccine. EVERY vaccine comes with a list of admitted ACTUAL adverse events that have happened and continue to happen. Count your lucky stars if none of your kids and none of the children you know have been injured by a vaccine. And, don't write it off unless you've asked everyone you know. Ive found I didn't realize how many of DS and DD's friends have had adverse reactions until it comes up in conversation.
I think it's so easy to be dismissive - my DD had a 107 fever in reaction to a prevnar shot. Everyone, including the ped said oh it must be something else - maybe she is sick etc. etc. NOPE - I brought her in so he could see it with his own eyes. And, then, I hear how it does happen but, not common. I have a friend whose son had a rare reaction to the flu shot when he was 2.5 - NEVER reacted to a shot before or since. The boy ended up with a rare syndrome that lasted for months - rash all over his body and his liver was affected and he had to take meds...even then, he was lucky that it did go back to normal...I could go on and on.
People are saying on this thread they don't understand why people don't get the flu shot and frankly I just don't get that???? Have you done any research into it at all???? I GET WHY PEOPLE GET THE VACCINE - I DO - and in certain situations I could see how the benefits outweigh the risks but, if anyone can stand there and say they don't see how the opposite can be true I honestly am left That is why I never understand these threads. I feel like it is cut and dry - there are kids the flu shot is a benefit for and there are kids where it is not worth the risk - same is true for adults. If you have a family history of serious reactions to shots why would you take the chance? Just like if there was a family history of complicating factors like asthma etc. I would say get the flu shot. What is good for one is not always good for all - why can't both sides be right?
Thank you for this...so often I want to scream. No one reads the package inserts, they tell you what proven neurotoxins are in the vaccine and what the proven adverse reactions COULD be. It's not about conspiracy theories...it's common sense! Formaldehyde is a toxin, aluminum is a toxin and different brands of the same vaccine can have alarmingly different amounts of these toxins and your small, fragile child may be predisposed to not process these toxins as effectively as other children.
We read nutrition labels (or so i hope) but we don't read vaccine inserts...scary.
For the record I selectively vaccinate my son and on a delayed schedule.
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Cheeks24
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Curious: The Flu
No shot and didn't get the flu (doesn't mean I still can't get it though). DH got the flu shot. There are multiple stains of the flu so if you get the shot, it doesn't mean you're not going to get it.
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Superkat
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Got the flu shot. Got the flu. Twice
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PennyCat
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Re: Curious: The Flu
I am not responding because I don't want to jinx myself or dh.  
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MrsA1012
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by gina409
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by computergirl
but these legions of moms who saw their children change forever right before their eyes.... can they all be total coincidences?
Yes. The time autism begins to appear developmentally happens to coincide with the time children receive certain vaccines. Correlation, not causation.
i would like you to come to my sister's house,meet her daughter vanessa
she is severely autistic,she would say hello back but she does not speak
i would like you to tell my sister how sure you are,how she is wrong to have any concern
bc when vanessa was 12 months old and got a mmr shot and a flu shot the babbling she did before,the mama the dada all went away
you tell that mom she should not feel that way,that there is no correlation,see the look in her eyes
(for the record i am not starting a debate,everyone has the right to do what they want..this was just a response to a response of what i felt was a dig to any mom that had those thoughts,thoughts it was connected and the response was no you are crazy one has nothing to do with another)
so easy to say they are not related,and maybe they are not,but again so easy to say that when it did not happen to your kid
We have one of the most aggressive vaccine schedules of any developed country in the world. These shots contain known neuro-toxins and they are given rapid fire to babies and toddlers whose immune and neurological systems are immature. I'm not saying that I am anti-vaccine, but I have NO issues with parents who opt to use an alternative schedule.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
It's not a dig. I work with students with autism. I have children with autism in my family. I know how heartbreaking it can be. I think that's just it. Autism is SO unexplained that people are desperate for any explanation. That's why people put children through chelation, unproven supplements, restrictive diets, just trying to find a cause or understand something. I feel for them, I really do. But the study that linked autism to vaccines was proven to be fabricated. There is no reliable study linking the two.
Regressive autism starts around the same time those vaccines are administered, whether they are administered or not, so yes, correlation, but not causation.
I feel for those parents 100%. I have had parents crying at parent teacher conferences because they have never heard their child's voice, I have seen the extremely difficult decisions other parents have to make for their children. I don't lack compassion at all. I don't blame these parents at all for trying to cling to any cause any explanation, but the fact is, that's not the right explanation. You have Jenny McCarthy saying thimerisol caused her child's autism, and she advocated chelation for children and claimed that it cured her son's autism. Children DIED because parents put them through chelation. If I'm remembering correctly, it turned out her son never had autism to begin with. So actually blaming the wrong cause can in fact be dangerous and deadly. I really feel for those parents. What makes me angry is the people like Jenny McCarthey who have NO idea what they are talking about, sending people down a rabbit hole of BS.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
In addition to the kids who died with chelation and other extreme treatments, I'm sure that the anti-vaccination fervor whipped up by Jenny McCarthy also cause many other effects like kids getting whooping cough, mumps, etc.
People still claim thimerisol caused their child's autism, yet no vaccine has been made with thimerisol for over 10 years and autism cases have no declined.
The evidence just isn't there. It doesn't matter what you believe. if you want to believe something just because even though the science isn't there, that's fine but when it leads to your harming your child (such as with chelation, or with skipping vaccinations) or my child (by you skipping your child's vaccinations) then it's a problem.
If I ever see Jenny McCarthy I will have to resist the urge to punch her in the face
ETA:
We have facts.
Thimerisol has been removed from vaccines. Autism has not decreased.
We have a lower rate of vaccination now in the US thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. Autism has not decreased.
Whooping cough, mumps, etc have INCREASED.
So concretely the anti-vaccine movement has done objective harm, but no quantifyable objective good, other than the possibility that of the childen who were no vaccinated, some would have had a reaction to the vaccines and were spared that
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Really with this thread? lol
Understanding/not understanding doesn't = agreeing or disagreeing
I don't understand why people on this thread, or any thread on LIF, take offense when they aren't understood and/or feel the need to excessively explain themselves over and over again.
If you are asked a direct question then yes, a response would be nice but not necessary. Especially if your 
People answered the OP's original question, some, including myself, offered detailed explanations for their reasons and that's it. Done.
There are individuals who take things WAY to personally (b/c not 1 person said, "you must and/or have to get the flue shot" yet there are responses that say, "I won't let anyone tell me what to do with my body") and then there are those who make it their mission  to explain their reasons to others so that they fully understand their reasons. Who cares?! lol
Really?
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rojerono
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by AScottWolf
Really with this thread? lol
Understanding/not understanding doesn't = agreeing or disagreeing
I don't understand why people on this thread, or any thread on LIF, take offense when they aren't understood and/or feel the need to excessively explain themselves over and over again.
If you are asked a direct question then yes, a response would be nice but not necessary. Especially if your
People answered the OP's original question, some, including myself, offered detailed explanations for their reasons and that's it. Done.
There are individuals who take things WAY to personally (b/c not 1 person said, "you must and/or have to get the flue shot" yet there are responses that say, "I won't let anyone tell me what to do with my body") and then there are those who make it their mission to explain their reasons to others so that they fully understand their reasons. Who cares?! lol
Really?
You said you don’t understand why people don’t get the flu shot. People gave you their reasons.. that isn’t acceptable? That is somehow taking it personally? I saw it as responding to your confusion – trying to clarify something that YOU admitted that you didn’t understand.
I guess there is a difference (to me) between: “I get the flu shot and I plan to get it every year.” or even versus "I just don't understand why everyone wouldn't get it!" or (my favorite) “I am astonished by how many people don’t act the way I act or see things the way I see them.” The former is a statement, the latter is a bit of baiting.
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AScottWolf
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by rojerono
Posted by AScottWolf
Really with this thread? lol
Understanding/not understanding doesn't = agreeing or disagreeing
I don't understand why people on this thread, or any thread on LIF, take offense when they aren't understood and/or feel the need to excessively explain themselves over and over again.
If you are asked a direct question then yes, a response would be nice but not necessary. Especially if your
People answered the OP's original question, some, including myself, offered detailed explanations for their reasons and that's it. Done.
There are individuals who take things WAY to personally (b/c not 1 person said, "you must and/or have to get the flue shot" yet there are responses that say, "I won't let anyone tell me what to do with my body") and then there are those who make it their mission to explain their reasons to others so that they fully understand their reasons. Who cares?! lol
Really?
You said you don’t understand why people don’t get the flu shot. People gave you their reasons.. that isn’t acceptable? That is somehow taking it personally? I saw it as responding to your confusion – trying to clarify something that YOU admitted that you didn’t understand.
I guess there is a difference (to me) between: “I get the flu shot and I plan to get it every year.” or even versus "I just don't understand why everyone wouldn't get it!" or (my favorite) “I am astonished by how many people don’t act the way I act or see things the way I see them.” The former is a statement, the latter is a bit of baiting.
Umm.. no.
Like I said, responding to something is fine. That's the point of these boards.
But for individuals on both sides to go on and on and basically that's when imo, it's kind of like ok.. we get your point and hear your reasons.. great.
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rojerono
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by AScottWolf
Umm.. no.
Like I said, responding to something is fine. That's the point of these boards.
But for individuals on both sides to go on and on and basically that's when imo, it's kind of like ok.. we get your point and hear your reasons.. great.
I think we are (mostly) on the same page. The difference being that I do understand why people might feel the need to justify their feelings when others continually say they don’t understand how or why they do what they do or feel how they feel.
*shrugs*
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by JenniferEver
In addition to the kids who died with chelation and other extreme treatments, I'm sure that the anti-vaccination fervor whipped up by Jenny McCarthy also cause many other effects like kids getting whooping cough, mumps, etc.
People still claim thimerisol caused their child's autism, yet no vaccine has been made with thimerisol for over 10 years and autism cases have no declined.
The evidence just isn't there. It doesn't matter what you believe. if you want to believe something just because even though the science isn't there, that's fine but when it leads to your harming your child (such as with chelation, or with skipping vaccinations) or my child (by you skipping your child's vaccinations) then it's a problem.
If I ever see Jenny McCarthy I will have to resist the urge to punch her in the face
ETA:
We have facts.
Thimerisol has been removed from vaccines. Autism has not decreased.
We have a lower rate of vaccination now in the US thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. Autism has not decreased.
Whooping cough, mumps, etc have INCREASED.
So concretely the anti-vaccine movement has done objective harm, but no quantifyable objective good, other than the possibility that of the childen who were no vaccinated, some would have had a reaction to the vaccines and were spared that
Here is a study on Aluminum in vaccines and how aluminum contributes to rising rates of autism. We have replaced one heavy metal (thimerisol) for another (aluminmum) and have become MORE aggressive with our vaccination schedule...this is why rates of autism aren't declining.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
Food for thought for EVERYONE. Many pediatricians use combination vaccines. Mine does. Are you aware that for DTAP the following are most commonly administered-
Pediarix, containing 850 micrograms of aluminum
Pentacel, containing 350 micrograms of alumnimum.
Say your 2 month old weighs 10 pounds...WHICH would you rather have adminstered? Do you even know which was administered? Educate yourselves. If you want to fully vaccinate and according to the schedule there are STARK differences in the neurotoxin content, invest the time...the child is worth it.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Posted by JenniferEver
In addition to the kids who died with chelation and other extreme treatments, I'm sure that the anti-vaccination fervor whipped up by Jenny McCarthy also cause many other effects like kids getting whooping cough, mumps, etc.
People still claim thimerisol caused their child's autism, yet no vaccine has been made with thimerisol for over 10 years and autism cases have no declined.
The evidence just isn't there. It doesn't matter what you believe. if you want to believe something just because even though the science isn't there, that's fine but when it leads to your harming your child (such as with chelation, or with skipping vaccinations) or my child (by you skipping your child's vaccinations) then it's a problem.
If I ever see Jenny McCarthy I will have to resist the urge to punch her in the face
ETA:
We have facts.
Thimerisol has been removed from vaccines. Autism has not decreased.
We have a lower rate of vaccination now in the US thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. Autism has not decreased.
Whooping cough, mumps, etc have INCREASED.
So concretely the anti-vaccine movement has done objective harm, but no quantifyable objective good, other than the possibility that of the childen who were no vaccinated, some would have had a reaction to the vaccines and were spared that
Here is a study on Aluminum in vaccines and how aluminum contributes to rising rates of autism. We have replaced one heavy metal (thimerisol) for another (aluminmum) and have become MORE aggressive with our vaccination schedule...this is why rates of autism aren't declining.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
Food for thought for EVERYONE. Many pediatricians use combination vaccines. Mine does. Are you aware that for DTAP the following are most commonly administered-
Pediarix, containing 850 micrograms of aluminum
Pentacel, containing 350 micrograms of alumnimum.
Say your 2 month old weighs 10 pounds...WHICH would you rather have adminstered? Do you even know which was administered? Educate yourselves. If you want to fully vaccinate and in accordance with the schedule there are STARK differences in the neurotoxin content depending on which brands you choose, invest the time and learn all you can...your child is worth it.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Posted by JenniferEver
In addition to the kids who died with chelation and other extreme treatments, I'm sure that the anti-vaccination fervor whipped up by Jenny McCarthy also cause many other effects like kids getting whooping cough, mumps, etc.
People still claim thimerisol caused their child's autism, yet no vaccine has been made with thimerisol for over 10 years and autism cases have no declined.
The evidence just isn't there. It doesn't matter what you believe. if you want to believe something just because even though the science isn't there, that's fine but when it leads to your harming your child (such as with chelation, or with skipping vaccinations) or my child (by you skipping your child's vaccinations) then it's a problem.
If I ever see Jenny McCarthy I will have to resist the urge to punch her in the face
ETA:
We have facts.
Thimerisol has been removed from vaccines. Autism has not decreased.
We have a lower rate of vaccination now in the US thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. Autism has not decreased.
Whooping cough, mumps, etc have INCREASED.
So concretely the anti-vaccine movement has done objective harm, but no quantifyable objective good, other than the possibility that of the childen who were no vaccinated, some would have had a reaction to the vaccines and were spared that
Here is a study on Aluminum in vaccines and how aluminum contributes to rising rates of autism. We have replaced one heavy metal (thimerisol) for another (aluminmum) and have become MORE aggressive with our vaccination schedule...this is why rates of autism aren't declining.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
Food for thought for EVERYONE. Many pediatricians use combination vaccines. Mine does. Are you aware that for DTAP the following are most commonly administered-
Pediarix, containing 850 micrograms of aluminum
Pentacel, containing 350 micrograms of alumnimum.
Say your 2 month old weighs 10 pounds...WHICH would you rather have adminstered? Do you even know which was administered? Educate yourselves. If you want to fully vaccinate and according to the schedule there are STARK differences in the neurotoxin content, invest the time...the child is worth it.
Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the world. We constantly get aluminum through our environment, food etc. the amount of aluminum present in a typical infant vaccine is less than that which would enter their system as a function of diet. If a person/ infant had a compromised renal system then elimination of the aluminum would be a greater issue but otherwise it is not a significant amount in comparison to the daily exposure.
Eta: I think that the suggestion for others who may be pro-vaccine to "educate themselves" is presumptuous. There is noting to suggest that you are any more educated than anyone else, only that ou have come to different conclusions. The reality is that most people on both sides of the debate do not have all the facts or systemic knowledge.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Posted by JenniferEver
In addition to the kids who died with chelation and other extreme treatments, I'm sure that the anti-vaccination fervor whipped up by Jenny McCarthy also cause many other effects like kids getting whooping cough, mumps, etc.
People still claim thimerisol caused their child's autism, yet no vaccine has been made with thimerisol for over 10 years and autism cases have no declined.
The evidence just isn't there. It doesn't matter what you believe. if you want to believe something just because even though the science isn't there, that's fine but when it leads to your harming your child (such as with chelation, or with skipping vaccinations) or my child (by you skipping your child's vaccinations) then it's a problem.
If I ever see Jenny McCarthy I will have to resist the urge to punch her in the face
ETA:
We have facts.
Thimerisol has been removed from vaccines. Autism has not decreased.
We have a lower rate of vaccination now in the US thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. Autism has not decreased.
Whooping cough, mumps, etc have INCREASED.
So concretely the anti-vaccine movement has done objective harm, but no quantifyable objective good, other than the possibility that of the childen who were no vaccinated, some would have had a reaction to the vaccines and were spared that
Here is a study on Aluminum in vaccines and how aluminum contributes to rising rates of autism. We have replaced one heavy metal (thimerisol) for another (aluminmum) and have become MORE aggressive with our vaccination schedule...this is why rates of autism aren't declining.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
Food for thought for EVERYONE. Many pediatricians use combination vaccines. Mine does. Are you aware that for DTAP the following are most commonly administered-
Pediarix, containing 850 micrograms of aluminum
Pentacel, containing 350 micrograms of alumnimum.
Say your 2 month old weighs 10 pounds...WHICH would you rather have adminstered? Do you even know which was administered? Educate yourselves. If you want to fully vaccinate and according to the schedule there are STARK differences in the neurotoxin content, invest the time...the child is worth it.
Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the world. We constantly get aluminum through our environment, food etc. the amount of aluminum present in a typical infant vaccine is less than that which would enter their system as a function of diet. If a person/ infant had a compromised renal system then elimination of the aluminum would be a greater issue but otherwise it is not a significant amount in comparison to the daily exposure.
Not arguing that aluminum isn't abundant however, ALL aluminum present in vaccines enters the bloodstream immediately versus when you consume through food or breastmilk/formula less than 1 percent of aluminum present in food is absorbed through the intestines into the blood. The potential danger is that when children are young, their blood brain barrier is still open and SOME children may be predisposed to being harmed.
When you ingest it you have the benefit of your kidneys filtering it out of your system.
Not looking to argue or point fingers at anyone. I'm just hopeful that based on the many FMs I've received that people are at least thinking about this.
ETA...I'm provaccine. I didn't assume that provaccine folks are uneducated, I just HIGHLY doubt that most on this forum have bothered to read a package insert. If you all have then I gladly stand corrected. I don't claim to know alot about this topic, I'm not an immunologist, I'm a Mom and a fund manager...who for full disclosure invests heavily in pharma funds because they have excellent returns...largely because of our aggressive vaccine schedule. When the flu started getting serious television time I can tell you that the value of my Roche and GSK stock skyrocketed because Tamiflu sales soared.
Pro or anti vaccine, do your research, I wouldn't jump on any anti-vaccine bandwagon because celebrities are doing it nor would I allow anyone to administer anything to my child because "it's the way it's always been done".
Message edited 1/29/2013 2:24:50 PM.
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MrsPenthouse
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Message edited 1/29/2013 2:25:08 PM.
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RocPin
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by AScottWolf
Really with this thread? lol
Understanding/not understanding doesn't = agreeing or disagreeing
I don't understand why people on this thread, or any thread on LIF, take offense when they aren't understood and/or feel the need to excessively explain themselves over and over again.
If you are asked a direct question then yes, a response would be nice but not necessary. Especially if your
People answered the OP's original question, some, including myself, offered detailed explanations for their reasons and that's it. Done.
There are individuals who take things WAY to personally (b/c not 1 person said, "you must and/or have to get the flue shot" yet there are responses that say, "I won't let anyone tell me what to do with my body") and then there are those who make it their mission to explain their reasons to others so that they fully understand their reasons. Who cares?! lol
Really?
Without reading this entire thread or giving a rats arse on everyone's opinion vs. mine.....I totally agree with this.
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Goobster
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by MrsPenthouse
Not arguing that aluminum isn't abundant however, ALL aluminum present in vaccines enters the bloodstream immediately versus when you consume through food or breastmilk/formula less than 1 percent of aluminum present in food is absorbed through the intestines into the blood. The potential danger is that when children are young, their blood brain barrier is still open and SOME children may be predisposed to being harmed.
When you ingest it you have the benefit of your kidneys filtering it out of your system.
Not looking to argue or point fingers at anyone. I'm just hopeful that based on the many FMs I've received that people are at least thinking about this.
Thank you for saying what I would have said. What you ingest is NOT the same as something directly injected into your body.
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