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Bearcat
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Re: Curious: The Flu
To answer the OP... I guess I'd choose "other" if there were an option. Me, DH and DD got the flu shot. DD tested positive for the flu last week. We were not tested but both of us were sick, albeit not to the extent she was.
All I know is that if the flu shot reduced the severity/duration of her illness, it was worth it IMO. I never want to see my child suffering like that again, and it was only bad for about 24 hours. I don't want to know what it could have been like.
ETA: We are 99% sure she got the flu from a family member who came into our home to babysit her (we didn't know this person had the flu).
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
The flu shot gets injected directly into one's bloodstream?
ETA: what do you mean by "there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life"?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm literally not following what you're getting at, would you mind rephrasing it? 
Well, vaccines introduce a disease into the bloodstream where Bcells are stimulated into action to create anitbodies and a record of the pathogen which then results in immunity. I'm assuming that is what Icherian meant. Again, I'm not the one who wrote the post you quoted, but since I'm of similar mindset as her, I think she is saying the flu vaccine is fairly young, there are no long term studies on it yet to learn about possible side effects, since it has not been around that long, we don't know what will happen 50 years down the line. Also, don't forget, the flu vaccine changes yearly, researchers do their best to guess what strain of flu will be going around the following year. So you are never getting the same vaccine every year. That is what I think Icherian meant.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should you get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
The flu shot gets injected directly into one's bloodstream?
ETA: what do you mean by "there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life"?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm literally not following what you're getting at, would you mind rephrasing it?
Well, vaccines introduce a disease into the bloodstream where Bcells are stimulated into action to create anitbodies and a record of the pathogen which then results in immunity. I'm assuming that is what Icherian meant. Again, I'm not the one who wrote the post you quoted, but since I'm of similar mindset as her, I think she is saying the flu vaccine is fairly young, there are no long term studies on it yet to learn about possible side effects, since it has not been around that long, we don't know what will happen 50 years down the line. Also, don't forget, the flu vaccine changes yearly, researchers do their best to guess what strain of flu will be going around the following year. So you are never getting the same vaccine every year. That is what I think Icherian
meant.
Actually flu shots were 1st developed back in the 1940s. They were given to the military originally. While they do change from year to year based on the strains I am pretty sure that Salk, who developed the polio vaccine, worked on developing the flu shot before that in the 1940s. So actually there should be at least 30+ years where they were more common even if you don't go back 70+ years. Don't know if studies have been done. But just wanted to point out that the flu shot is not a new vaccine per se.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Lillykat
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should you get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
The flu shot gets injected directly into one's bloodstream?
ETA: what do you mean by "there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life"?
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm literally not following what you're getting at, would you mind rephrasing it?
Well, vaccines introduce a disease into the bloodstream where Bcells are stimulated into action to create anitbodies and a record of the pathogen which then results in immunity. I'm assuming that is what Icherian meant. Again, I'm not the one who wrote the post you quoted, but since I'm of similar mindset as her, I think she is saying the flu vaccine is fairly young, there are no long term studies on it yet to learn about possible side effects, since it has not been around that long, we don't know what will happen 50 years down the line. Also, don't forget, the flu vaccine changes yearly, researchers do their best to guess what strain of flu will be going around the following year. So you are never getting the same vaccine every year. That is what I think Icherian
meant.
Actually flu shots were 1st developed back in the 1940s. They were given to the military originally. While they do change from year to year based on the strains I am pretty sure that Salk, who developed the polio vaccine, worked on developing the flu shot before that in the 1940s. So actually there should be at least 30+ years where they were more common even if you don't go back 70+ years. Don't know if studies have been done. But just wanted to point out that the flu shot is not a new vaccine per se.
Yeah, I saw that on Wikipedia.....but most people agree that the flu shot we have today is from what was developed in the mid-1970's . That's why I consider it a newer vaccine.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
The flu shot gets injected directly into one's bloodstream?
A flu shot is injected into the tissue and absorbed. I think we all know that. I think the point she was trying to make was a vaccine directly crosses the blood brain barrier, vs ingesting something that has to be filtered and absorbed after digestion. Anything in the bloodstream, such as anything injected, directly reaches the brain bypassing anything in the body that would typically filter it (kidneys etc).
Dr. Sears addresses the blood brain barrier issue with vaccinations. I assume this is what she is referring to.
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itsbabytime
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
This is completely inaccurate. If you cannot understand why someone would not get the flu shot you clearly have not done any research into the issue. I can understand why for many the pros outweigh the cons but
This is not as simple as taking a vitamin.
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Bearcat
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Bearcat
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
The flu shot gets injected directly into one's bloodstream?
A flu shot is injected into the tissue and absorbed. I think we all know that. I think the point she was trying to make was a vaccine directly crosses the blood brain barrier, vs ingesting something that has to be filtered and absorbed after digestion. Anything in the bloodstream, such as anything injected, directly reaches the brain bypassing anything in the body that would typically filter it (kidneys etc).
Dr. Sears addresses the blood brain barrier issue with vaccinations. I assume this is what she is referring to.
I admittedly don't know much about the scientific details of what happens when a vaccine is injected, which is why I asked. I also have never really read any Dr. Sears material. Thanks ( and thanks to the pp that also answered my q).
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faerychel
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Here's my theory on "everyone has the flu this year"
(I think I posted this over on parenting, too)
Some people legit had the flu, but....
I think some people are not going to doctor and self-diagnosing and saying they have the flu. Can't tell you how many people had a simple cold and said, "Oh man..hope I don't have the flu!" Add all of the above to flu-related Facebook statuses and you have a recipe for everyone claiming to have the flu.
I think only 1 person had the flu out of all my coworkers, friends, and family.
I think of the Swine Flu. "Everyone" seemed to have the swine flu, too.
All the media-created panic doesn't help, either. 
I didn't get the shot and didn't get the flu.
Agree, everyone with a severe cold seems to think they have the flu during flu season.
The flu is severe and can be live threatening: I remember getting it very badly when I was around 12, I was literally laid up for 3 full weeks before I came around. I remember freaking out (and unfortunately taking it out on my mom) because I COULDN'T breath, my throat had completely swollen shut.
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SusiBee
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
None of us got it yet and none of us got the flu.
Now I'm probably jinxing us all. 
Ditto !
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Paramount
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Still astounds me how many people dont get the flu shot.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Well...there are studies (I believe) that suggest that older people with certain ailments (I think heart and others) have mothers who were pregnant wth them during the flu epidemic. Extrapolating this, scientists have suggested that the actual getting of the flu (sans shot) may very well harm a fetus later in life. I can't imagine it could never have an effect on the actual flu-getter--harming him later in life.
They say if you have ever had chicken pox, the virus lives inside you dormant, but it can flare up. Would it be the same with flu? And once it took hold in you, couldn't it or the effects of its ravages cause you harm down the line?
To me, there's just as much chance that whatever havoc the flu causes to the unvaccinated will remain and cause later harm as there is that the vaccine. Then, there's always the chance of dying from the flu or passing it to someone old, pregnant, or otherwise vulnerable--who could die. There's no opt-out where you are just safe and incapable of harming yoursef, your future kids, or others around you.
Plus, the more people ther are who depend on "herd immunity" to protect themselves without getting the shot, the less herd immunity there is and the more danger each individual is in.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
I agree about the self diagnosing. Especially with the fluy bein more prevalwent, people are assuming they have it.
I did get a flu shot and so far  no flu
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ChilisWife
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Re: Curious: The Flu
If the flu shot were like other vaccines where one shot protects you from ever getting a fatal disease, then I would do it because the benefit outweighs the risk. But you have to get the flu shot EVERY year and it only MAY protect you from only certain strains of flu! And the flu CAN be deadly but of course those are rare cases. To me, injecting foreign substances into my kids every single year increases risk of unknown side effects without assurance of a benefit. I am not a doctor but I also wonder whether your natural immune system is somewhat compromised by the process. Those are just my thoughts, I realize most people get the shot and thats fine.
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No flu shot, no flu.
Never had the shot, never will.
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SusiBee
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Paramount
Still astounds me how many people dont get the flu shot.
Why ?
It's a personal decision, and it is my decision not to get one.
I had a bad reaction to my recent tetanus shot.
I don't know what the flu shot would do to my body.
I do know that it doesn't keep me from getting the flu, just lessens the severity of it.
Since I rarely get sick, I won't get the shot.
If I get the flu, then I'll just have to deal with it.
Meanwhile, I will be smart in my daily life and wash my hands frequently, will bring my own food to work, and stay away from people that are visibly sick.
My choice.
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AScottWolf
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
This is completely inaccurate. If you cannot understand why someone would not get the flu shot you clearly have not done any research into the issue. I can understand why for many the pros outweigh the cons but
This is not as simple as taking a vitamin.
Sorry but I might not be 100% accurate but I'm not 100% inaccurate either. Unfortunately I get the flu about every 2-3 years and end up in the hospital 100% of the time because of it.
I'm not saying that anyone on this board is saying this, but I know MANY in real life who refuse the flu shot for all the reasons mentioned on this board but are the same people who smoke, are overweight due to poor eating and exercising habits, and over use antibacterial sanitizers but say no to the flu shot because of the risks.  That makes 0 sense to me. Should it be mandatory? Absolutely not. But I still don't understand not getting it. But I also don't understand why people chose to smoke either knowing all the risks associated with that. People seem to forget that understand someone's choices doesn't necessarily mean you agree or disagree with them.
Is it a personal choice, yes. Personally, coming from someone who has had the flu for a month (which was verified by a blood test), was in the hospital on 3 seperate occasions because of that, and relapsed the day before her wedding, I will do everything in my power to limit my chances of getting the flu.
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Diane
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by Paramount
Still astounds me how many people dont get the flu shot.
yes, why???
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Beth
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by lcherian
Posted by AScottWolf
Yes flu shot, no flu.
I've posted this before on another thread, but I can't think of any reason why someone wouldn't get the flu shot.
If someone had a bad experience with it in the past either a) they were already sick and the flu shot made it worse because the body can't fight 2 things like that at a time. Or b) the had a reaction from the mercury in the shot and in the future should get the one with no mercury.
The only reaction at the majority of people have is a little soreness at the injection site.
To me the end justifies the means.
I'd rather not inject additives, preservatives and adjuvants directly into my bloodstream. Plus, there are no studies/testing (that I'm aware of) indicating that repeated exposure to the flu shot does not increase your chances of developing chronic illness later in life.
exactly! the ends to not justify the means to me! I can't even remember the last time I even took an anit-botic or the last time I got sick
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
If you had a bad reaction to the tetanus shot it doesn't mean you'll have a bad reaction to the flu shot. I haven't looked into why but I had a reaction to teh tetanus shut every time I've had it, and never anything other than a sore arm for the flu shot.
My mom (who works in a school and has an auto-immune disorder) and my sister (an ER nurse who treats MANY flu pateints) both refuse the shot. They think that it's harmful in some way. They worry about mercury and the say things like "you don't know what the governent is putting in there"
I don't know how something like vaccinations, where were nothing short of miraculous when invented have become such a divise issue. I am SO pro vaccine for everything
ETA: I feel much more strongly about the other accines we typically give children. The flu shot as others have said only works for a year and the flu is rarely fatal in healthy adults, but for me, with my asthma and sinus issues, I take my doctor's advice and get the shot. The flu is so miserable. I'd rather avoid it
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Thank you Dr. Jennifer for clarifying that I won't have a reaction to the flu shot just because I had a reaction to the tetanus shot.
I'm so glad that you are pro-vaccine too.
Good for you !
It's my body and only I can decide what I do with it.
I can't remember the last time I took antibiotics or even needed them.
My decision is NOT to inject it with chemicals and a live virus that I don't know will work or not.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
We got the flu this year, flu test confirmed.
I've never had the flu shot or given my children the shot. I was never really against it. I just never happened to get it.
Honestly, I've had WAYY worse colds. It was really not much at all.
I still wouldn't get the flu shot. I just dont see the need to inject my body with god knows what every year on the chance I might get something.
37 years, no flu shot, 1 flu. Still not getting it 
I also think everyone that gets a cold in the last 2 months called it the flu. All these hysterical people going to the ER ??? There is nothing they can do for you. Take some tylenol and relax. Even tamiflu only shortens it by 1-2 days. Not worth sitting in the ER for hours next to someone with God Knows what.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by SusiBee
Thank you Dr. Jennifer for clarifying that I won't have a reaction to the flu shot just because I had a reaction to the tetanus shot.
I'm so glad that you are pro-vaccine too.
Good for you !
It's my body and only I can decide what I do with it.
I can't remember the last time I took antibiotics or even needed them.
My decision is NOT to inject it with chemicals and a live virus that I don't know will work or not.
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Curious: The Flu
Maybe I am uneducated in the ways of the vaccinations, but I never had one growing up, I had one once as an adult because my company did them for free. I just don't really see the point when if I can still get the flu regardless of having the flu shot, why bother? It's my body and my health. To me, it just personally is not on my priority list and I don't think anyone should make me feel bad for that.
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Re: Curious: The Flu
No formaldehyde, antifreeze, aluminium or thimerisol for my family! No flu either.
We eat clean, organic, whole foods diet, get lots of fresh air and sun and take natural immune system support. It works great!
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JenniferEver
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Re: Curious: The Flu
Posted by SusiBee
Thank you Dr. Jennifer for clarifying that I won't have a reaction to the flu shot just because I had a reaction to the tetanus shot.
I'm so glad that you are pro-vaccine too.
Good for you !
I didn't say you WONT get a reaction to the flu shot, I just said getting a reaction to one doesn't mean you'll necessarily get a reaction to the other since they are different substances.
I wasn't snarky to you, nor did I tell you how to live your life. I just gave MY opinion on the flu shot, as MANY other people have. I really don't see the need for your response.
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