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petunias
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Re: Disability
Posted by nrthshgrl
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I don't understand why they can't get other jobs then. I guess when you get paid to do other things, why should you go and get paid less than your job used to pay you. 
What's with the eyeroll?
The 9/11 first responder wound up taking a lump sum disability payment & with his retiring benefits doesn't need to work. He retired to another state because NY was too expensive.
The friend who can't turn his head properly because he was injured on the job, gets worker's comp payments & is going back to college to pursue a different field.
The friend with the back injury did go back to work in a different field eventually. He recently beat his addiction to his painkillers.
All three were hurt, received worker's comp/disability, but not one injury would be apparent to the busybody who wants to know why they are able to "function" or go in trips.
While I do not know everyone's reason to be on disability, in my opinion and ONLY way I would be on it is if I could not do anything at all. If I was able to go on trips and do activities that an able-bodied person could do, then I could not bring myself just to collect money and do them.
To me, this money is for people who truly can not work. I once "met" a woman at the drs. office whose back was broken. She said she is in bed all.day.long except for coming to the dr. and she was in so much pain. She is not out there doing activities while collecting a check. She is the type of person the money is intended for.
When you say you can't sit for so long at a job but can go on long plane or car rides, sit on the computer all day long at home, then you are able to go to a sitting job.
When you say you can't stand for so long at a job but is able to be on your feet all day gutting your home or helping others out moving or painting their home, etc., then you are able to go to a standing job.
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Re: Disability
For the guy not able to drive, his work said they would not accommodate his need to limit driving for more than 30 - 40 minutes (his doctor's restriction). It's the job's decision not to accommodate his doctor's requirements.
Disability is for when a medical condition prevents you from doing your job. Period.
I have employees going out on short term & long term disability all of the time. If they cannot do the job I hired them to do because of a medical condition that I cannot accommodate, they are entitled to disability - a disability policy which they paid into, btw.
Consider the fact that you pay car insurance for the lifetime of your driving & owning a car. You've paid insurance premiums which are likely more than what your accident costs. The insurance company has made its money off you.
The same goes for unemployment. You pay unemployment out of every paycheck you get. When a company lays you off, you are entitled to unemployment.
As the previous posters have said, I'm sure there are plenty of people who take advantage of the system & plenty of people that aren't honest with friends/family/co-workers about the true reason for their disability.
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Re: Disability
Disability is very broad, as it can described as a mental health illness, physical, and/or medical impairment.
What I don't understand is that it isn't hard to understand that the system is abused, but not as bad as you may think.
Other systems in the world are just as abused, WIC programs, housing, zonining issues (ie: forging documents for school to ensure your child goes to a good school when your not zoned for the good school), car insurance, taxes medical insurance, etc, etc.
I don't think its fair to assume someone isn't disabled because YOU don't see something that impairs them.
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| Posted 10/18/12 3:15 PM |
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I would also be willing to bet if the tables are turned, the same people on here (and in general ;) ) who have it in their minds that so many people are abusing the system, would expect the same system to be there for them.
Just sayin'.
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| Posted 10/18/12 6:04 PM |
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Re: Disability
Posted by petunias
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I work with some pretty disabled people for a living.
When I do an intake with them, one of the questions I have to ask is what their "goals" are.
I would say for about 95% of them, the first thing they say is "to go back to work".
The other 5%, is usually something along the lines of walking again or leaving the nursing home and being able to eat when they want, go to sleep when they want, take a walk around the block, etc.
People always want to think the worst about people.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not judge but when you get to know the person and find out why they are on disability and see how they live on an everyday basis, it gets you upset and know that they are not the only ones doing this. There are many out there that could easily go to work but they are working the system.
Honestly, if they aren't affecting your life personally (i.e. you are literally paying out of pocket to support them), is it really THAT big of a deal?
If you can get up and go to work everyday to support yourself and your family, more power to you.
Who cares what other people do with their lives.
Seriously.
I think there are bigger things to worry about. Life is way too short.
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| Posted 10/18/12 6:07 PM |
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I know someone who went on disability for depression..so.......they look okay on the outside, you know?
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tara73
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Disability
My stepfather is considered disabled. He is a navy veteran who was injured when an elevator fell on his head, scalped him and broke his neck. Over the past 25 years he has endured numerous surgeries to correct issues related to the injury. He lives in constant pain but has learned to cope with it.
Here are some "fun facts"
-he fought to only be considered 80% disabled. The navy wanted to rule him 100% disabled.l
-He can be fine for months and then become sidelined for weeks to months at a stretch.
-He has been through 2 different retraining programs to try and work.
-He has been able to work on and off throughout the years but not many places want to hire someone with a spotty work history
-Not many places can accommodate or keep an employee long term who can be out for weeks at a stretch
Just one example of a person that looks "fine" but isn't.
Never judge, you may think you know the whole story but there's no guarantee that you do. You only know what you're told. Are there people who scam? Yep, there are. Just like there are bad teachers, crooked cops, drugged doctors, crooked accountants............. there's bad apples everywhere.
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Re: Disability
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I know someone who went on disability for depression..so.......they look okay on the outside, you know?
I had a pregnancy loss at 17 1/2 weeks and went on a short term (10 wks) disability to recovery both physically and emotionally. I looked "find" from the outside...
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| Posted 10/18/12 7:32 PM |
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Re: Disability
There are people who have chronic illnesses and that are better at some times and worse at others. I have met cancer patients, who seem fine, but can't really keep a job because they are in & out of hospitals, sometimes travellignot of state for care, but in between treatments have good stretches.
I als know of someone who had MS & wa s on disability--she wasn't an invalid, but she had good stetches & bad ones, especailly in the begining when she was getting used to meds. She did go back to work when she had it under cotnrol enough that she could commit to a job.
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Re: Disability
Posted by PennyCat
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I know someone who went on disability for depression..so.......they look okay on the outside, you know?
I had a pregnancy loss at 17 1/2 weeks and went on a short term (10 wks) disability to recovery both physically and emotionally. I looked "find" from the outside...
Yeah - that's the thing. You SEEM okay and capable - but you're really not.
That's why I try not to judge. I know some people couldn't understand why the person could be considered on disability for depression, but it's obviously debilitating sometimes.
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Re: Disability
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by PennyCat
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I know someone who went on disability for depression..so.......they look okay on the outside, you know?
I had a pregnancy loss at 17 1/2 weeks and went on a short term (10 wks) disability to recovery both physically and emotionally. I looked "find" from the outside...
Yeah - that's the thing. You SEEM okay and capable - but you're really not.
That's why I try not to judge. I know some people couldn't understand why the person could be considered on disability for depression, but it's obviously debilitating sometimes.
I was teaching at the time and had the loss right before the school year was starting up again. I had the same students as the year before and when I left in June, they knew I was pregnant ... It was just too much and going out on that short term leave allowed me to come back as the teacher they deserved - rather than solely focused on my issues.......
I agree with you, I try not to judge  but unfortunately there are people like a pp said who joke about the fact they are collecting disability, and that ruins the reputation for others who may not "appear" to fit the bill.
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Re: Disability
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I would also be willing to bet if the tables are turned, the same people on here (and in general ;) ) who have it in their minds that so many people are abusing the system, would expect the same system to be there for them.
Just sayin'.
I would hope it would be there for me as I would only use it in dire circumstances, like it was intended for. Like welfare.
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Re: Disability
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by petunias
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I work with some pretty disabled people for a living.
When I do an intake with them, one of the questions I have to ask is what their "goals" are.
I would say for about 95% of them, the first thing they say is "to go back to work".
The other 5%, is usually something along the lines of walking again or leaving the nursing home and being able to eat when they want, go to sleep when they want, take a walk around the block, etc.
People always want to think the worst about people.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not judge but when you get to know the person and find out why they are on disability and see how they live on an everyday basis, it gets you upset and know that they are not the only ones doing this. There are many out there that could easily go to work but they are working the system.
Honestly, if they aren't affecting your life personally (i.e. you are literally paying out of pocket to support them), is it really THAT big of a deal?
If you can get up and go to work everyday to support yourself and your family, more power to you.
Who cares what other people do with their lives.
Seriously.
I think there are bigger things to worry about. Life is way too short.
Oh I would never lose sleep over.
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Re: Disability
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by petunias
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I work with some pretty disabled people for a living.
When I do an intake with them, one of the questions I have to ask is what their "goals" are.
I would say for about 95% of them, the first thing they say is "to go back to work".
The other 5%, is usually something along the lines of walking again or leaving the nursing home and being able to eat when they want, go to sleep when they want, take a walk around the block, etc.
People always want to think the worst about people.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not judge but when you get to know the person and find out why they are on disability and see how they live on an everyday basis, it gets you upset and know that they are not the only ones doing this. There are many out there that could easily go to work but they are working the system.
Honestly, if they aren't affecting your life personally (i.e. you are literally paying out of pocket to support them), is it really THAT big of a deal?
If you can get up and go to work everyday to support yourself and your family, more power to you.
Who cares what other people do with their lives.
Seriously.
I think there are bigger things to worry about. Life is way too short.
I care because we are paying out of pocket for fraud and for "disabilities" like alcoholism and drug addiction. Yes people can actually collect a check because they are a heroin addict or an alcoholic and can't work. Where do you think that $ is going?? Sorry, that is not a disability. Instead, take the money and offer it for rehab/detox to help these people clean up thier lives.
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Re: Disability
Posted by imagin916
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by petunias
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I work with some pretty disabled people for a living.
When I do an intake with them, one of the questions I have to ask is what their "goals" are.
I would say for about 95% of them, the first thing they say is "to go back to work".
The other 5%, is usually something along the lines of walking again or leaving the nursing home and being able to eat when they want, go to sleep when they want, take a walk around the block, etc.
People always want to think the worst about people.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not judge but when you get to know the person and find out why they are on disability and see how they live on an everyday basis, it gets you upset and know that they are not the only ones doing this. There are many out there that could easily go to work but they are working the system.
Honestly, if they aren't affecting your life personally (i.e. you are literally paying out of pocket to support them), is it really THAT big of a deal?
If you can get up and go to work everyday to support yourself and your family, more power to you.
Who cares what other people do with their lives.
Seriously.
I think there are bigger things to worry about. Life is way too short.
I care because we are paying out of pocket for fraud and for "disabilities" like alcoholism and drug addiction. Yes people can actually collect a check because they are a heroin addict or an alcoholic and can't work. Where do you think that $ is going?? Sorry, that is not a disability. Instead, take the money and offer it for rehab/detox to help these people clean up thier lives.
FYI: Alcoholism is a disease and not a disability. Many people are predisposed to this hereditary trait and have no choice. Others find themselves with this disease during a life altering event in one's life. Drug addiction is also hereditary and not a disability.
Many Veterans come home to find themselves being alcoholics, and drug addicts because the trauma that they seen and are diagnosed with PTSD.
The underlying issues like depression, anxiety, etc, etc could be the disabling factor.
So before pointing fingers at others, do not pass judgement. You will never understand what people go through unless you understand the feelings associated it with.
Detox and rehab are not as glorious as you may think. The media has falsely advertised these places as some paradise hotel. In most cases, patients relapse several times, and again because of underlying issues.
You, and everyone else paying for disability sure wouldnt want someone abusing the system, but again you and everyone else cannot stop the abuse. Its a part of life. But to sit here and put down alcoholism and drug addicting as something so passive, I say educate yourself thoroughly before passing judgment.
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Re: Disability
Posted by BklynBabe12
Posted by imagin916
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by petunias
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I work with some pretty disabled people for a living.
When I do an intake with them, one of the questions I have to ask is what their "goals" are.
I would say for about 95% of them, the first thing they say is "to go back to work".
The other 5%, is usually something along the lines of walking again or leaving the nursing home and being able to eat when they want, go to sleep when they want, take a walk around the block, etc.
People always want to think the worst about people.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not judge but when you get to know the person and find out why they are on disability and see how they live on an everyday basis, it gets you upset and know that they are not the only ones doing this. There are many out there that could easily go to work but they are working the system.
Honestly, if they aren't affecting your life personally (i.e. you are literally paying out of pocket to support them), is it really THAT big of a deal?
If you can get up and go to work everyday to support yourself and your family, more power to you.
Who cares what other people do with their lives.
Seriously.
I think there are bigger things to worry about. Life is way too short.
I care because we are paying out of pocket for fraud and for "disabilities" like alcoholism and drug addiction. Yes people can actually collect a check because they are a heroin addict or an alcoholic and can't work. Where do you think that $ is going?? Sorry, that is not a disability. Instead, take the money and offer it for rehab/detox to help these people clean up thier lives.
FYI: Alcoholism is a disease and not a disability. Many people are predisposed to this hereditary trait and have no choice. Others find themselves with this disease during a life altering event in one's life. Drug addiction is also hereditary and not a disability.
Many Veterans come home to find themselves being alcoholics, and drug addicts because the trauma that they seen and are diagnosed with PTSD.
The underlying issues like depression, anxiety, etc, etc could be the disabling factor.
So before pointing fingers at others, do not pass judgement. You will never understand what people go through unless you understand the feelings associated it with.
Detox and rehab are not as glorious as you may think. The media has falsely advertised these places as some paradise hotel. In most cases, patients relapse several times, and again because of underlying issues.
You, and everyone else paying for disability sure wouldnt want someone abusing the system, but again you and everyone else cannot stop the abuse. Its a part of life. But to sit here and put down alcoholism and drug addicting as something so passive, I say educate yourself thoroughly before passing judgment.
There are rules about drug addiction and alcoholism for Social Security Disability and it is not so easy. It requires a whole anaylsis. If you go to a dr. and you smell of alcohol that goes right into their notes. I have a client who was unrepresented at his hearing. The judge used those rules and only those rules to deny him. He has not had a drink since 1996 but he submitted medical records from that time even though theose records are really irrelevant. He does have late effects from his years of use, so he has liver disease and he has after effects from major injuries he had when he was drinking. Why did he drink? Mostly due to post traumatic stress from military service. But it was the VA that got him sober. He is older now and there is no way he can work. He also has many newer medical issues unrelated to his past. Should he just live on nothing because he had an alchohol problem in the early 1990s? For the past 2 years that is what he had to do. I'm determined to get his case paid. He paid into the system for a long time even while he had a drinking problem. His big mistake, IMHO was not hiring an attorney for his hearing.
Unfortunately, it takes knowing one person who may be scamming to change people's views of the system.
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| Posted 10/18/12 11:39 PM |
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Re: Disability
My cousins ex-husband got it for a minor back injury at work. Said he couldn't sit for a long time or stand. He got away with everything.. He did manage to fly to Hawaii and to Portugal numerous times a year with no problems though... Now my husband who was forced to retire from his job because of TRUE medical issues just got turned for it.. We are fighting it... I hate it when people think they are above and beyond.. My ex-cousin was and still is the laziest person I know.. He just didn't want to work!!!
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Posted by imagin916
I care because we are paying out of pocket for fraud and for "disabilities" like alcoholism and drug addiction. Yes people can actually collect a check because they are a heroin addict or an alcoholic and can't work. Where do you think that $ is going?? Sorry, that is not a disability. Instead, take the money and offer it for rehab/detox to help these people clean up thier lives.
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You sound really ignorant.
Again, my response to you is what I said earlier in this thread:
I tend to believe that when someone "knows someone" they also don't necessarily "know all the facts" of a person's situation who may be on disability, collecting UE, or whatever other benefit from the gov't that someone feels someone "they know" is using to get over on the system.
Also there's really not a lot of places for "these people" to go.
Sending them to places like nursing homes and facilities often costs tax payers TWICE as much. IF they even qualify ;).
This is a fact and yes, I work in the field so I kinda think I have a handle on what I'm talking about. 
ETA: Yeah, we all pay taxes, but it cracks me up when people act like they are actually putting their hand into their purse each day and handing over thousands to people they think are so horrid.  I REALLY don't think a lot of our tax payer $$$$ are going to addicts to feed their addiction.
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Disability
Alcoholism & drug addiction are disabilities if they are being TREATED. They don't get to get trashed & shoot up, not go to a doctor & collect a paycheck. Much in the same way bipolar disorder is considered a disability IF they are being treated. We had someone go off their meds, refuse treatment & it was not a disablity.
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petunias
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Re: Disability
Posted by NewLeaf2012
My cousins ex-husband got it for a minor back injury at work. Said he couldn't sit for a long time or stand. He got away with everything.. He did manage to fly to Hawaii and to Portugal numerous times a year with no problems though... Now my husband who was forced to retire from his job because of TRUE medical issues just got turned for it.. We are fighting it... I hate it when people think they are above and beyond.. My ex-cousin was and still is the laziest person I know.. He just didn't want to work!!!
THIS is the type of person I am speaking of. Not someone who legitimately is injured and is unable to perform at a job.
I know someone who has the worst back, surgeries for many years, different treatments, everything. This person STILL gets up and goes to work, every.single.day and has not once tried to get disability. Is he is pain?, absolutely. Could he get disability?, probably but he feels he is able to accomplish his job (not a sitting one either but one that he has to move all day, sitting and walking) and has not given up.
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I still don't understand how it effects YOUR life though.
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Re: Disability
Actually, since 1996, for an individual with a substance abuse issue to be paid social security disability, they must establish that they are disabled independent of substance abuse. Typically, it means there must be psychological and/or medical conditions that qualify on their own.
I work in the system, and I can personally tell you SSA ALJs and Senior Attorneys, do not like paying addicts and take pains to establish that there are in fact disabling conditions that qualify on their own.
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Posted by 2girlsforme
Actually, since 1996, for an individual with a substance abuse issue to be paid social security disability, they must establish that they are disabled independent of substance abuse. Typically, it means there must be psychological and/or medical conditions that qualify on their own.
I work in the system, and I can personally tell you SSA ALJs and Senior Attorneys, do not like paying addicts and take pains to establish that there are in fact disabling conditions that qualify on their own.
I work with many clients in this situation. In order to qualify for my program, after they do have an income (SSI/SSD) they must have a brain injury. Many of them don't use again once they are approved for services because they know that if they F it up, they lose their apartment and will not be able to afford it on their own, and they will wind up in a worse situation (homeless, nursing home, psych center).
I have seen people who continue to use (mostly painkiller related and because they doctor shop). But you have that in the general public too.
It's still cheaper to provide services to people in the long run, and safer too.
At least my agency has a handle on where our peeps are. Can't say that again about the general public who have issues with drugs and alchohol. ;)
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Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
I still don't understand how it effects YOUR life though.
I'll take a slightly different stance, though. If a person believes in something and really hates to see the injustices, they should learn all they can about it, read about it, meet people who are affected by it and then become a true activists Testify before Congress. Advocate for your beliefs after you educate yourself. But be warned that when you educate yourself you will find some stories that may not fit your theory. I went into this area lof law after I could have gotten a big firm corporate job. Now I find that learning about the medical aspects of my cases is what holds my interest as do the real human stories behind every single case.
The worst part about my job is when I have a client with a rare illness and they apply and the claims examiner makes a remark that they never heard of the person's illness. Their thinking is often that if they never heard of it or never saw a case like it, the illness must not be disabiling. That infuriates me. When those cases get to a Judge, that is usually corrected right away but the person has already been a bit discouraged about the whole system. I love fighting for the rare disease cases.
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