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“Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
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lululu
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I am only familiar with this because my daughter is a competitive gymnast but my understanding is that it was USAG that came up with the difficulty ratings for her performances and they did do it to level the playing fiends. There was a lot of talk around nationals about this. It is beyond ridiculous. If she achieved a new standard, higher difficulty ratings should apply. Making an error on a very difficult routine should still warrant a better score than a near perfect, but not as difficult routine.
I am not familiar with how it works at the Olympic level but because USAG is such a big part of the Olympic committee I would imagine what they say goes. Unfortunately USAG is a very corrupt organization and although they have made some great strides they are still not even close to being where they need to be.
Even with the outfit fines the Norwegians, I *think* that was fines from the European association they belong to and not anything to do with the olympics. I think the olympics is getting the blame for some things that are actually not in their control. I could be totally wrong. I am
Out of the country and have been watching most of the olympics in Spanish, which I don’t speak. But this is my understanding.
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
She comes off as a sore loser.
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| Posted 7/28/21 10:52 PM |
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lululu
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
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She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
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Posted by RainyDay
She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
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What made her make the decision to withdraw is what they call "the twisties". I was reading a little bit about it. It's what happens when they do those insane, multiple twists and flips. Usually, it's muscle memory, and the body just does it, but sometimes, the brain gets in the way, and they forget to finish the twist, or how far along they are. It's extremely dangerous to be in that state. They can easily fall on their neck when that happens.
According to articles from various gymnasts, once that happens, it takes a while to get out of that thought mode.
By her withdrawing, she gave her team the opportunity to win silver. If she stayed in, she wouldn't have done well, and they might not have medaled at all.
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| Posted 7/29/21 8:28 AM |
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lululu
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
Posted by GoldenRod
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She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
ITA
What made her make the decision to withdraw is what they call "the twisties". I was reading a little bit about it. It's what happens when they do those insane, multiple twists and flips. Usually, it's muscle memory, and the body just does it, but sometimes, the brain gets in the way, and they forget to finish the twist, or how far along they are. It's extremely dangerous to be in that state. They can easily fall on their neck when that happens.
According to articles from various gymnasts, once that happens, it takes a while to get out of that thought mode.
By her withdrawing, she gave her team the opportunity to win silver. If she stayed in, she wouldn't have done well, and they might not have medaled at all.
I’m not sure if people realize exactly how dangerous gymnastics is. My daughter is so low level but the reason many gymnasts are forced to quit before they even have the chance to get to a higher level is injury. And these things Simone Biles done, if done incorrectly, could cause severe injury or even death! I’d rather be known as a sore loser than end up paralyzed or dead.
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| Posted 7/29/21 9:00 AM |
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Sharing....
What if the NFL told Tom Brady his touchdown passes will only be 4 points because he was too good? Or the NBA gave MJ 1 point instead of 2 because he scores much better than the other players? There would be outrage on ESPN, boycotts , death threats against David Stern, etc.
But when the Olympics imposed this on Simone Biles… *crickets…* DEAL WITH IT and compete. No petitions, withdrawals from the US Olympics Committee.
So, after practicing your routine for years, you must mentally and physically alter your performance to be appropriately scored to keep everything “fair”. And when you realize you don’t align with their “standards” you make the hard decision to not hurt your teammates score (who, btw, showed out yesterday!!) or risk your health in a sport where 1 bad slip can mean paralysis.
You’re labeled egotistical, overrated and most of all a “quitter” because you won’t conform.
In all honesty, the IOC quit on Simone. Not the other way around.
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| Posted 7/29/21 10:03 AM |
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RainyDay
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
ITA
What made her make the decision to withdraw is what they call "the twisties". I was reading a little bit about it. It's what happens when they do those insane, multiple twists and flips. Usually, it's muscle memory, and the body just does it, but sometimes, the brain gets in the way, and they forget to finish the twist, or how far along they are. It's extremely dangerous to be in that state. They can easily fall on their neck when that happens.
According to articles from various gymnasts, once that happens, it takes a while to get out of that thought mode.
By her withdrawing, she gave her team the opportunity to win silver. If she stayed in, she wouldn't have done well, and they might not have medaled at all.
I’m not sure if people realize exactly how dangerous gymnastics is. My daughter is so low level but the reason many gymnasts are forced to quit before they even have the chance to get to a higher level is injury. And these things Simone Biles done, if done incorrectly, could cause severe injury or even death! I’d rather be known as a sore loser than end up paralyzed or dead.
So she's well enough to participate in individuals but not be part of the team? I never downplayed how difficult gymnastics is. She took a spot away from someone else to participate who also worked their ass off just to back out. What about all the other gymnasts that go through the same struggle but stick it out. If she backed out of both then I would understand but she didnt. Part of me feels like she only backed out of individuals because of the negative press.
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
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Sharing....
What if the NFL told Tom Brady his touchdown passes will only be 4 points because he was too good?
Yes, please! 
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Right??? I am good with that too
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lululu
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
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Posted by RainyDay
She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
ITA
What made her make the decision to withdraw is what they call "the twisties". I was reading a little bit about it. It's what happens when they do those insane, multiple twists and flips. Usually, it's muscle memory, and the body just does it, but sometimes, the brain gets in the way, and they forget to finish the twist, or how far along they are. It's extremely dangerous to be in that state. They can easily fall on their neck when that happens.
According to articles from various gymnasts, once that happens, it takes a while to get out of that thought mode.
By her withdrawing, she gave her team the opportunity to win silver. If she stayed in, she wouldn't have done well, and they might not have medaled at all.
I’m not sure if people realize exactly how dangerous gymnastics is. My daughter is so low level but the reason many gymnasts are forced to quit before they even have the chance to get to a higher level is injury. And these things Simone Biles done, if done incorrectly, could cause severe injury or even death! I’d rather be known as a sore loser than end up paralyzed or dead.
So she's well enough to participate in individuals but not be part of the team? I never downplayed how difficult gymnastics is. She took a spot away from someone else to participate who also worked their ass off just to back out. What about all the other gymnasts that go through the same struggle but stick it out. If she backed out of both then I would understand but she didnt. Part of me feels like she only backed out of individuals because of the negative press.
She doesn’t know if she will participate yet as she is taking it day by day. She already withdrew from the all around individual for which she was the favorite.
An alternate was able to take her place in the events that she didn’t participate in so I am not sure why you think anyone lost a chance at anything. No one did.
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JennP
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by lululu
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by lululu
Posted by RainyDay
She comes off as a sore loser.
It’s sad that that is what you take away from this. I don’t think she was performing at her best because she was under extreme mental duress. While it would have been better if she pulled out prior, this isn’t something that you always realize beforehand. Not to mention, it doesn’t matter how she “comes off.” She needs to do what is best for herself.
ITA
What made her make the decision to withdraw is what they call "the twisties". I was reading a little bit about it. It's what happens when they do those insane, multiple twists and flips. Usually, it's muscle memory, and the body just does it, but sometimes, the brain gets in the way, and they forget to finish the twist, or how far along they are. It's extremely dangerous to be in that state. They can easily fall on their neck when that happens.
According to articles from various gymnasts, once that happens, it takes a while to get out of that thought mode.
By her withdrawing, she gave her team the opportunity to win silver. If she stayed in, she wouldn't have done well, and they might not have medaled at all.
I’m not sure if people realize exactly how dangerous gymnastics is. My daughter is so low level but the reason many gymnasts are forced to quit before they even have the chance to get to a higher level is injury. And these things Simone Biles done, if done incorrectly, could cause severe injury or even death! I’d rather be known as a sore loser than end up paralyzed or dead.
So she's well enough to participate in individuals but not be part of the team? I never downplayed how difficult gymnastics is. She took a spot away from someone else to participate who also worked their ass off just to back out. What about all the other gymnasts that go through the same struggle but stick it out. If she backed out of both then I would understand but she didnt. Part of me feels like she only backed out of individuals because of the negative press.
She doesn’t know if she will participate yet as she is taking it day by day. She already withdrew from the all around individual for which she was the favorite.
An alternate was able to take her place in the events that she didn’t participate in so I am not sure why you think anyone lost a chance at anything. No one did.
ITA
This also has to be put in the context of what she has been through. The sexual abuse. The mental, emotional, and physical trauma. I cannot imagine the toll that all takes.
What these gymnasts do is beyond impressive. They defy gravity. It all looks treacherous and impossible.
None of us can judge. When any athlete at THAT level says "I have had enough" that has to be respected. I think of Kerri Strug and Elena Mukhina. What the ubercompetitive countries do in the name of national pride and one upmanship is a total disgrace.
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
I think giving the Yurchenko double pike a difficulty score of 6.6 completely undervalues the vault. I agree with Simone's coaches that the vault should have a difficulty rating of 7.0.
On the other hand, I think downgrading the difficulty rating is the primary way the governing body of gymnastics (whether in this country or another, or the IOC) discourages athletes from performing dangerous skills. The other way is by banning them altogether (as they have done with the Thomas Salto and other skills).
As for Simone's decision to pull herself from competition. If you watch a replay of her vault from the team competition you can clearly see, just as she throws her arms out from her sides, that her eyes grow wide and she looks completely terrified in mid-air. It has subsequently been explained as the twisties (IE: not knowing where you are in the air while twisting). I cannot imagine what was going through her mind at that moment. I read an article about a competition from 2013 where Simone seemed "off" in ways similar to these Olympic games, wherein the coaches had to force her to stop - or risk serious injury. As a then 16 year old, she didn't have the presence of mind to know she should stop. As a 24 year old she does.
The last thing on Simone - she has been quoted in the past as saying one reason to come back (certainly not the only one, but one) was because she didn't think USAG had properly dealt with the Larry Nassar situation, and that by competing on this stage it would force them to continue to deal with it instead of sweeping it under the rug. As the only athlete on this 6 woman squad to publicly acknowledge being sexual assaulted by that predator, and competing (in part) to keep the scandal from fading into the background she added a psychological pressure to her game that she had never before faced. Coupled with being at a competition for the first time in her life without her parents in the stands, was too much and she knew exactly when to say "when." Good for her!
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mrsrainbow
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
I don't think anyone has a right to an opinion on what an Olympic athlete can or should do.
Some of yall can barely do a somersault like you have something to say 
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Re: “Equity” in the real world….how do we feel about Simone Biles?
Posted by mrsrainbow
I don't think anyone has a right to an opinion on what an Olympic athlete can or should do.
Some of yall can barely do a somersault like you have something to say
I did a somersault the other day... but it was because I tripped over my own feet ...
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