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Hofstra26
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
The emails aren't a huge deal at all. It really boils down to an attempt by some to discredit Fauci, plain and simple. From what I have read, I am not seeing anything damning or overwhelmingly concerning.
As for the masks, science changes. When you know more, you do better. They didn't think masks mattered initially as the information we had at the time didn't support the need for them. You can't fault anyone for changing course as we knew more about the virus and how best to protect ourselves.
Not sure what it will take for some to see it is not about science but control in many situations.
I believe this is the beginning and I hope the people who need to be held accountable, will be. Even though I don’t have much hope the way this world works anymore.
The beginning of what? LOL You have a very conspiracy driven view of the world that MANY don't share. Regarding Fauci specifically, I certainly do not think he in ANY way was interested in controlling people nor do I believe he went out of his way to intentionally mislead us about the virus. At the end of the day, he is a scientist who follows the data and who has had fairly consistent messaging since day 1. He did his job to the best of his ability with whatever information he had at the time.
It's silly to keep harping on this government control angle, if they were really trying to control you than life would look A LOT different right now. Things are 95% back to normal, restrictions are being lifted as we ALWAYS knew they would be and for the most part, it sorta feels like pre-COVID life. The government is charged with the protecting the public interest, that is their job. They took the measures necessary to keep us all safe during a global pandemic and now that things are better, those measures are being phased out. Nobody (let alone the gov't) is out to control you VB, that's all in your head.
I don’t think you would believe anything different even if Fauci came to you and told you in person.
Whatever that means. 
You keep harping on these government control conspiracy theories like they are gospel. There is nothing to support ANY of your claims that the gov't is out for control rather than the safety of the general public. Did they do it all perfectly? Nope. But trust me, nobody is coming for your rights. That's absolute silliness rooted in fear.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
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And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
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And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
EXACTLY!!! Holy cow, it's almost as if some people don't understand how science works let alone science in real time. Good grief!
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
...
And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
It goes way beyond that. If masks worked than people who wore them would not have gotten sick. This was coronavirus and people died because they were told to put them on vents which killed them. Government put older compromised people together who died together.
Where is the money going? How about we look into that and follow that.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
...
And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
EXACTLY!!! Holy cow, it's almost as if some people don't understand how science works let alone science in real time. Good grief!
How well did those masks work for you and your family? The science we were told to wear them so we wouldn’t get sick.
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Hofstra26
Love to Bake!
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
...
And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
It goes way beyond that. If masks worked than people who wore them would not have gotten sick. This was coronavirus and people died because they were told to put them on vents which killed them. Government put older compromised people together who died together.
Where is the money going? How about we look into that and follow that.
WRONG. You're making an assumption based on NOTHING that masks are 100%. NOBODY ever said that ANY safety measure, including masks, were 100%. Nobody said you couldn't get COVID even if you did everything right because again, NOTHING is 100%. However, imagine how many more millions of cases and hundreds of thousands DEAD there would be had we done nothing. Masks and social distancing slowed the spread and prevented many more cases of COVID. That fact cannot be argued.
As for the vents, AT THAT TIME, doctors thought it was the best course of action. Once we KNEW more and LEARNED more, they changed their course of treatment. Again, that is how science works. We were dealing with an unknown, new virus..................you couldn't have ever expected we'd get it all right immediately out of the gate.
Sorry, but you sound ridiculous.
Message edited 6/2/2021 6:46:39 PM.
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Hofstra26
Love to Bake!
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
...
And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
EXACTLY!!! Holy cow, it's almost as if some people don't understand how science works let alone science in real time. Good grief!
How well did those masks work for you and your family? The science we were told to wear them so we wouldn’t get sick.
Who told you that anything we did to slow the spread was 100% effective? Sweetie, you need to get that nonsense out of your head already. Had we not worn masks or social distanced the number of COVID cases and those dead would be FAR greater than what we've seen. That is fact. Both safety measures did their job, it didn't do it at 100% effectiveness, but they still worked.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
...
Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
...
And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
It goes way beyond that. If masks worked than people who wore them would not have gotten sick. This was coronavirus and people died because they were told to put them on vents which killed them. Government put older compromised people together who died together.
Where is the money going? How about we look into that and follow that.
WRONG. You're making an assumption based on NOTHING that masks are 100%. NOBODY ever said that ANY safety measure, including masks, were 100%. Nobody said you couldn't get COVID even if you did everything right because again, NOTHING is 100%. However, imagine how many more millions of cases and hundreds of thousands DEAD there would be had we done nothing. Masks and social distancing slowed the spread and prevented many more cases of COVID. That fact cannot be argued.
As for the vents, AT THAT TIME, doctors thought it was the best course of action. Once we KNEW more and LEARNED more, they changed their course of treatment. Again, that is how science works. We were dealing with an unknown, new virus..................you couldn't have ever expected we'd get it all right immediately out of the gate.
Sorry, but you sound ridiculous.
How about having a mature discussion without always adding in something insulting.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
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And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
EXACTLY!!! Holy cow, it's almost as if some people don't understand how science works let alone science in real time. Good grief!
How well did those masks work for you and your family? The science we were told to wear them so we wouldn’t get sick.
Who told you that anything we did to slow the spread was 100% effective? Sweetie, you need to get that nonsense out of your head already. Had we not worn masks or social distanced the number of COVID cases and those dead would be FAR greater than what we've seen. That is fact. Both safety measures did their job, it didn't do it at 100% effectiveness, but they still worked.
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
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And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
It goes way beyond that. If masks worked than people who wore them would not have gotten sick. This was coronavirus and people died because they were told to put them on vents which killed them. Government put older compromised people together who died together.
Where is the money going? How about we look into that and follow that.
WRONG. You're making an assumption based on NOTHING that masks are 100%. NOBODY ever said that ANY safety measure, including masks, were 100%. Nobody said you couldn't get COVID even if you did everything right because again, NOTHING is 100%. However, imagine how many more millions of cases and hundreds of thousands DEAD there would be had we done nothing. Masks and social distancing slowed the spread and prevented many more cases of COVID. That fact cannot be argued.
As for the vents, AT THAT TIME, doctors thought it was the best course of action. Once we KNEW more and LEARNED more, they changed their course of treatment. Again, that is how science works. We were dealing with an unknown, new virus..................you couldn't have ever expected we'd get it all right immediately out of the gate.
Sorry, but you sound ridiculous.
How about having a mature discussion without always adding in something insulting.
A mature discussion cannot be had when you're dealing with a person who cannot see the value in something unless it has 100% effectiveness all of the time.
Maybe you should stop wearing your seatbelt. After all, you can still be injured or even killed in a car crash even if your belted. Clearly, you're wasting your time relying on the safety precaution.
Maybe even shut off all of those safety measures in your car from the airbag to the pre-collision systems. I mean, they aren't 100% either so why bother using them at all if they aren't 100% effective at saving your life in every circumstance.
Maybe we should remove warning labels while we are at it, I mean they certainly aren't 100%. People still do dumb $hit even with the warning label there, nevermind the countless others who maybe were spared.
Why take a vaccine that is ONLY 95% effective at preventing serious illness or death? That is craziness. Why not take your chances with a still relatively unknown virus where you have no idea how your own body will react rather than take a vaccine that isn't 100% effective.
Masks? What's the point of those??? They aren't 100% effective at preventing you from getting COVID. Why would anyone bother to do anything that doesn't guarantee them 100% safety at all times??
Helmets??? Why on earth should we bother to wear helmets when on bikes or motorcycles when there will still be those who get in an accident an have brain injuries? Helmets aren't 100%, let's get rid of those too.
Anything that isn't 100% effective at all times should go!!!! No safety measures are worth my time unless it's a guaranteed 100%!!!!!!!
Do you see now how utterly ridiculous you sound when you continue to harp on the fact that some people will still get COVID even with a mask or a vaccine? That's life, nothing is a guarantee. Who told you it was??? Some level of safety is better than nothing though.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/health/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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Berman also brought up a February 5, 2020, email Fauci sent to Sylvia Burwell, former secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, in which he did not recommend wearing a mask since she was traveling to a low-risk location. The email was sent at a time before coronavirus was declared a pandemic and before the CDC advised the public to wear masks for protection.
"A lot has transpired since then. If you had to go back and do it all over again, would you tell her something different? Do you regret that?" Berman asked Fauci.
"Let's get real here -- if you look at scientific information as it accumulates, what is going on in January and February, what you know as a fact, as data, guides what you tell people and your policies. If March, April, May occur, you accumulate a lot more information and you modify and adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current science and current data," Fauci told Berman.
"So of course, if we knew back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people. If we knew that the data show that masks outside of a hospital setting actually do work when we didn't know it then. If we realize all of those things back then, of course," he said. "You're asking a question, 'Would you do something different if you know what you know now?' Of course people would have done that. That's so obvious."
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And there are emails with him saying the masks only needed to be used by people with compromised immune systems and that asymptomatic people don’t transfer the virus.
And?
I don't see this as a smoking gun. It's a new virus with little to nothing know about it in the beginning. Of course things are going to evolve. The virus didn't show up with a playbook on how to combat it.
The scientific method and research and understanding bring about the changes to mandates.
Protocol changing during the pandemic isn't a smoking gun that Fauci was wrong...it's proof that things need to be studied and learn and researched.
EXACTLY!!! Holy cow, it's almost as if some people don't understand how science works let alone science in real time. Good grief!
How well did those masks work for you and your family? The science we were told to wear them so we wouldn’t get sick.
Who told you that anything we did to slow the spread was 100% effective? Sweetie, you need to get that nonsense out of your head already. Had we not worn masks or social distanced the number of COVID cases and those dead would be FAR greater than what we've seen. That is fact. Both safety measures did their job, it didn't do it at 100% effectiveness, but they still worked.
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
That's called dumb luck. 
And many non-mask wearing idiots also got COVID and died so there's that.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
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You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
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Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
Well Hofstra then is an example for you about someone who avoided friends and family and husband wore a mask at work all the time and still got sick.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
Well Hofstra then is an example for you about someone who avoided friends and family and husband wore a mask at work all the time and still got sick.
What's your point?
Again, who told you that masks were 100%? You're a broken record and make no sense.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
Well Hofstra then is an example for you about someone who avoided friends and family and husband wore a mask at work all the time and still got sick.
One of his coworkers had it. I assume he works closely with him. Her DH wasn't hiding in his house not seeing anyone. Masks are not 100% effective, but they obviously do work based on data from school transmission.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
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As for where the virus came from, I lean towards the side of "it doesn't matter at this point".
It absolutely matters where it came from. If you can't learn from history, it is destined to repeat itself. If we just say that China could have unleashed this on the world without a look at how to prevent future occurrences from happening we are doomed. What if after 9/11 happened we said "well, it already happened, not much we can do about it now, who cares why it happened....?" Instead we completely changed how we dealt with airport security, national security, etc etc....
Let me clarify. I think it's unlikely we'll ever get the definitive answers we need in order to say how/where COVID started. We should most definitely investigate how to better protect ourselves and country going forward but I don't think we'll end up with any satisfactory explanations as far as the origin of COVID. We shall see.
Good u’re clarifying this cause I’ve noticed u have said it shouldn’t matter where it came from several times in past posts.
I absolutely agree with u Lululu. It should most certainly be fully investigated where and how this all started so we can prevent it from ever happening again even more if this whole thing started because of ill intentions.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
I’m happily surprised many are now acknowledging that science is always evolving because the old belief was that science was settled and it shouldn’t be questioned. What I still don’t understand though is how someone like Fauci who’s an “expert” on this and have worked for so long on corona viruses, kept flip flopping so many different times and on many different things. It’s not like he just started working on this virus last year but hey at least he’s now admitting that it could have originated in Wuhan and that it should def be investigated, something that he totally denied a few months ago.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
The emails aren't a huge deal at all. It really boils down to an attempt by some to discredit Fauci, plain and simple. From what I have read, I am not seeing anything damning or overwhelmingly concerning.
As for the masks, science changes. When you know more, you do better. They didn't think masks mattered initially as the information we had at the time didn't support the need for them. You can't fault anyone for changing course as we knew more about the virus and how best to protect ourselves.
I am not being snarky at all, but I have seen you say this before - science changes. So why are you always so dismissive of people that are reluctant to take the vaccine because it is relatively new and the technology has never been used on humans before? You consistently attack people on not understanding how science and research "work." Yet you are the first to point out that as information changes and more information becomes available it's normal for something that was widely accepted to do a complete 180.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
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Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
I'm almost positive my daughter got covid at school while wearing a mask. Her best friend who she plays with at school and sits next to had it before our family all got sick. There is no other explanation for how my family got it as we were only around one other family during the entire time and they all got covid from us, and we know this from the times when people tested negative and then tested positive during quarantine.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by soontobemommyof2
I’m happily surprised many are now acknowledging that science is always evolving because the old belief was that science was settled and it shouldn’t be questioned. What I still don’t understand though is how someone like Fauci who’s an “expert” on this and have worked for so long on corona viruses, kept flip flopping so many different times and on many different things. It’s not like he just started working on this virus last year but hey at least he’s now admitting that it could have originated in Wuhan and that it should def be investigated, something that he totally denied a few months ago.
The thing that I find odd is that at first they were saying masks couldn't help at all. This was clearly a move to stop people from hoarding valuable PPE while it was so hard for medical professionals to come by. To think otherwise is utterly foolish. OBVIOUSLY a masks helps to slow the transmission of things like viruses, or else hospital personnel wouldn't wear them. Not to mention that part of the reason that they think that the spanish flu ended was do to a combination of herd immunity and mask wearing. If they knew in the early 1900s that masks were effective why on earth would a trained medical scientist not think that they would be helpful 100 years later? I understand that the virus can get thru the mask but clearly any filter is better than NO FILTER. That's just common sense.
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Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
I'm almost positive my daughter got covid at school while wearing a mask. Her best friend who she plays with at school and sits next to had it before our family all got sick. There is no other explanation for how my family got it as we were only around one other family during the entire time and they all got covid from us, and we know this from the times when people tested negative and then tested positive during quarantine.
I think there are so many scenarios for cases but people like to just throw it on the people who didn’t wear masks where not mandated or ones that never did. It is easier to blame it on them than saying masks really don’t work when they were told they need to wear them as they prevent you from getting sick.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
I'm almost positive my daughter got covid at school while wearing a mask. Her best friend who she plays with at school and sits next to had it before our family all got sick. There is no other explanation for how my family got it as we were only around one other family during the entire time and they all got covid from us, and we know this from the times when people tested negative and then tested positive during quarantine.
I think there are so many scenarios for cases but people like to just throw it on the people who didn’t wear masks where not mandated or ones that never did. It is easier to blame it on them than saying masks really don’t work when they were told they need to wear them as they prevent you from getting sick.
I think that the majority of cases were from either a group living situation or from one person bringing it home and spreading it to your entire family. In our case my husband spread it to an entire other family of 6 because we have been hanging out with them the entire year. It just takes one.
However, in the case of adults in an office, I would think that most people would remain masked around one another and keep their distance. People spreading the virus in an office seems unusual to me unless you were doing idiotic things like having groups meet in small conferences rooms for extended periods.
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Posted by lululu
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
You don’t know that, you are assuming as it seems many never wore masks even when mandated and never got sick.
Every person I know who got Covid did not regularly wear a mask and/or practice social distancing.
Also, schools required masks and there has been little to no transmission in schools where everyone is wearing a mask and distancing. All cases have been linked to gatherings outside of school where people were not following the guidelines.
I'm almost positive my daughter got covid at school while wearing a mask. Her best friend who she plays with at school and sits next to had it before our family all got sick. There is no other explanation for how my family got it as we were only around one other family during the entire time and they all got covid from us, and we know this from the times when people tested negative and then tested positive during quarantine.
I think there are so many scenarios for cases but people like to just throw it on the people who didn’t wear masks where not mandated or ones that never did. It is easier to blame it on them than saying masks really don’t work when they were told they need to wear them as they prevent you from getting sick.
I think that the majority of cases were from either a group living situation or from one person bringing it home and spreading it to your entire family. In our case my husband spread it to an entire other family of 6 because we have been hanging out with them the entire year. It just takes one.
However, in the case of adults in an office, I would think that most people would remain masked around one another and keep their distance. People spreading the virus in an office seems unusual to me unless you were doing idiotic things like having groups meet in small conferences rooms for extended periods.
Exactly makes no sense as I thought offices required masks anywhere outside of your closed office.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by lululu
Posted by soontobemommyof2
I’m happily surprised many are now acknowledging that science is always evolving because the old belief was that science was settled and it shouldn’t be questioned. What I still don’t understand though is how someone like Fauci who’s an “expert” on this and have worked for so long on corona viruses, kept flip flopping so many different times and on many different things. It’s not like he just started working on this virus last year but hey at least he’s now admitting that it could have originated in Wuhan and that it should def be investigated, something that he totally denied a few months ago.
The thing that I find odd is that at first they were saying masks couldn't help at all. This was clearly a move to stop people from hoarding valuable PPE while it was so hard for medical professionals to come by. To think otherwise is utterly foolish. OBVIOUSLY a masks helps to slow the transmission of things like viruses, or else hospital personnel wouldn't wear them. Not to mention that part of the reason that they think that the spanish flu ended was do to a combination of herd immunity and mask wearing. If they knew in the early 1900s that masks were effective why on earth would a trained medical scientist not think that they would be helpful 100 years later? I understand that the virus can get thru the mask but clearly any filter is better than NO FILTER. That's just common sense.
Of course it was to keep people from hoarding PPE.
Because everyone knows how people in this country behave.
They behave like selfish assholess when it comes to something like this.
Just look what they did with toilet paper.
And what they were doing with gas recently when there was a SLIGHT hiccup in supply.
So they LIED and said that masks don't help. To stop the morons from hoarding them all up to go sit in their basements wearing them when front line workers really needed them.
And while i Know why they did it- and that it was for the greater good because the medical workers needed them- the fact is, it was still a blatant lie. And that is why people don't trust the gov't.
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Re: Fauci’s emails
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
I haven’t read any of them. I have heard what some of them said (who knows of what I heard is accurate)
But what’s the big controversy about these??
Are people thinking it will proof what??? It was a lie? It was man made and unleashed from China? No one ever needed to wear masks??
Not being snarky just interested what the controversy about them are.
I think it's the fact that anyone who said- hey this might have come from the lab- or hey this could have been man made an unleashed on purpose- was referred to as a conspiracy theorist and labelled a loony and dismissed.
And now it's coming out that some of those theories may in fact be the case and that even Fauci thought it was possible back in the beginning.
For some reason, you aren't allowed to accuse China of anything. They are just good and holy.
This has nothing to do with masks.
Masks were part of it also as he said in the beginning they would not work.
There seems to be a lot in those emails that could have saved peoples lives and that is why it is a huge deal.
The emails aren't a huge deal at all. It really boils down to an attempt by some to discredit Fauci, plain and simple. From what I have read, I am not seeing anything damning or overwhelmingly concerning.
As for the masks, science changes. When you know more, you do better. They didn't think masks mattered initially as the information we had at the time didn't support the need for them. You can't fault anyone for changing course as we knew more about the virus and how best to protect ourselves.
I am not being snarky at all, but I have seen you say this before - science changes. So why are you always so dismissive of people that are reluctant to take the vaccine because it is relatively new and the technology has never been used on humans before? You consistently attack people on not understanding how science and research "work." Yet you are the first to point out that as information changes and more information becomes available it's normal for something that was widely accepted to do a complete 180.
I've never had any issue if someone doesn't want the vaccine. To each his own. What I don't agree with is someone spreading misinformation about the vaccine or minimizing the impact it's having just because they are uncomfortable with it. Science, of course, evolves. Science also shows that the vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate so for myself, I'm following the science. I'd much rather the potential risk associated with the vaccine over the risks of COVID. The vaccine we understand, the virus still has so many unknowns.
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