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kristinel
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For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

-She's looking for $$$$.
- She has been urged to seek psychiatric counseling regarding her need for children.
-She can't and never could afford the 6 children she already had.
-One of her children is autistic.


"THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story.

Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilisation (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both their health and her own.

US public reaction has been mixed: many have asked how an unemployed single mother can raise 14 children, as her first six have already strained the family budget. Angela and Ed Suleman, Nadya’s parents,bought her a two-bedroom bungalow in the suburb of Whittier in March 2007, but soon after got into debt and had to leave their own home.

They filed for bankruptcy and moved in with their daughter and grandchildren. Last week her father said he would return to his native Iraq to work as a translator and driver.

Angela Suleman, who is caring for the first six children — one of whom is autistic — while her daughter is in hospital, said yesterday that she had consulted a psychologist over Nadya’s “obsession with children”.

Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” living off education grants and parental money, broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.

The identity of the octuplets’ father remains unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago.

Michael Tucker of the Georgia Reproductive Clinic, Atlanta, said Suleman’s story stunned him. “We are policed by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, which frowns upon implanting more than two or three embryos at a time. It is remarkable that any practitioner would undertake such a practice.”

The babies, born nine weeks prematurely by C-section, were attended to by 46 medical staff, who expected seven babies. When the eighth — a boy — appeared, doctors were “confounded”.

Angela Suleman said her daughter was advised to terminate some of the embryos in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy for the sake of her health, but she refused because she did not know how to make such a life-or-death decision.

“She doesn’t have any more, so it’s over now. It has to be,” said the grandmother."

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Posted 1/31/09 11:18 PM
 
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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Disgusting POS Chat Icon

Posted 1/31/09 11:22 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

I said this in the original thread regarding this:

Obviously she has severe issues that and should have been evaluated by the clinic she went to. Many, many RE clinics have you sit with a counselor before moving ahead with fertility treatments. While she of course is partially to blame... this so called Dr. that allowed this to happen in the first place should be fired and have his medical license taken away. No RE in their right mind would TRANSFER (I LOATHE that they keep using the term implant, but embryos are NOT implanted in the uterus, the are transferred to the uterus) 8 embryos into a 33 year old woman. At 37, the MOST my RE would transfer for me was 3 embryos due to my age, and the quality of my eggs, and this was on a day 3 transfer, on a day 5 transfer, he would only transfer back 2.

I'm more sickend by this Dr. than this woman.

Posted 1/31/09 11:28 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

What is wrong with ppl?? Her, her parents, doctors..don't they think? There are enough children in this world who don't have parents to care for them. It is completely irresponsible and just disgusting.

Just makes me sooo ANGRY!

Posted 2/1/09 12:35 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Exactly what i thought - this story absolutely drives me freakin crazy. I hope Oprah asks her tough questions and doesn't sugar coat it - this woman needs to wake up.

Posted 2/1/09 12:40 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by MrsRbk

I said this in the original thread regarding this:

Obviously she has severe issues that and should have been evaluated by the clinic she went to. Many, many RE clinics have you sit with a counselor before moving ahead with fertility treatments. While she of course is partially to blame... this so called Dr. that allowed this to happen in the first place should be fired and have his medical license taken away. No RE in their right mind would TRANSFER (I LOATHE that they keep using the term implant, but embryos are NOT implanted in the uterus, the are transferred to the uterus) 8 embryos into a 33 year old woman. At 37, the MOST my RE would transfer for me was 3 embryos due to my age, and the quality of my eggs, and this was on a day 3 transfer, on a day 5 transfer, he would only transfer back 2.

I'm more sickend by this Dr. than this woman.



ITA.

While I think it's the woman who is mentally ill with her obsession with having babies, it is the curden of the doctor who needs to determine the health (including mental health) of his patient before proceeding with drastic measures.

Frankly I don't get it. My friends had to go through counseling in addition to discussing selective reduction since she was transferring 3 eggs (she's over 40 yo).

It is completely unethical & the doctor/clinic should be suspended & brought before the review board immediately. Where are the checks & balances in place?

Posted 2/1/09 12:50 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

This is just crazy on so many levels.

But I don't understand what having one autistic child has to do with anything. Why does that matter?

Posted 2/1/09 1:09 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

well its her life not mine. i would be happy if i had a child but way to young waiting till i get married

Posted 2/1/09 1:40 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by waterspout4

This is just crazy on so many levels.

But I don't understand what having one autistic child has to do with anything. Why does that matter?



My thoughts exactly Chat Icon

Is that a way of people saying there shouldn't have been any additional children b/c one was special needs?

Honestly there is so much to this story we are prob all unaware of. So much weirdness and things that don't add up...

And also...why is it such a huge deal that she didn't selectively reduce?? Many many people don't b/c they believe its abortion. Yes, chances are higher of something going wrong with all babies if reduction doesn't happen but many choose to take that risk...look at john and kate plus 8. They refused reduction and all 6 were fine.

I pray the babies will be ok regardless of moms situation/mental health!! Chat Icon

Posted 2/1/09 8:12 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

This woman is stretched too thin for someone with 6 typical kids. To add the extra time needed to take care of a child with autism + the 6 and NOW eight (with a likelihood that some will have special needs as well) is unbelieveable.

Posted 2/1/09 8:49 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

well isnt to late anyway for them t do anything. the new cans complain all they want but at the end of the day its her life and n 2 weeks someone else will make news. i just pray for the children

Posted 2/1/09 8:52 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by Porrruss

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

This woman is stretched too thin for someone with 6 typical kids. To add the extra time needed to take care of a child with autism + the 6 and NOW eight (with a likelihood that some will have special needs as well) is unbelieveable.




This is how I saw it as well.

Posted 2/1/09 9:07 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by Porrruss

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

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that is how I took the Autism comment as well.

Maybe this women was struggling so much and knew how much help she could receive by others if she had septuplets or octuplets and thats why she did it.


Message edited 2/1/2009 9:08:18 AM.

Posted 2/1/09 9:08 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by Porrruss

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

This woman is stretched too thin for someone with 6 typical kids. To add the extra time needed to take care of a child with autism + the 6 and NOW eight (with a likelihood that some will have special needs as well) is unbelieveable.




I agree. Having 2-3 kids, and one with autism, is one thing. For a child to be one of 6, there is no way he/she is receiving the needed help!

Plus, there is a lot of research regarding preemies and autism. These 8 children were preemies and underweight. I fear she will be facing many more developmental issues with some of them....

Posted 2/1/09 9:11 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

In my world this would happen next: she would be made to have a tubal, her children would be taken in to custody and placed in loving homes with people that can support them both physically, financial, and emotionally. If that is the grandparents then so be it and then the "mother", or womb would be placed in a psy unit. This story is just disgusting, and angers me in a way I NEVER thought a news story could.

Posted 2/1/09 9:18 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

I think its wrong on so many levels, but i just feel so bad for the kids

One of my friends brought up something, arent there laws that say how many people can be living in 1 house.
She has 14 kids plus her and her mom is 16 people living in a 2-3 bedroom house.


Of course if she gets a few million in interviews then they would be set for a while

Posted 2/1/09 9:23 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by MrsM-6-7-08

I think its wrong on so many levels, but i just feel so bad for the kids

One of my friends brought up something, arent there laws that say how many people can be living in 1 house.
She has 14 kids plus her and her mom is 16 people living in a 2-3 bedroom house.


Of course if she gets a few million in interviews then they would be set for a while



Or some tv show will knock down the old house and build a new one to accomodate all of themChat Icon

Posted 2/1/09 10:01 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

I think that CPS should immediately investigate this case. How can an unemployed, single mother with 14 children under 7 living in a two bedroom home with her parents adequately provide for all of those children? At least one of which has special needs, likely more. I hope that Oprah and Diane Sawyer say "no thanks," and a psychiatric evaluation is ordered for this fruit loop. I doubt that will happen though and she'll probably get rich off of all the media attention. Chat Icon

Posted 2/1/09 10:47 AM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by MichLiz213

Posted by Porrruss

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

This woman is stretched too thin for someone with 6 typical kids. To add the extra time needed to take care of a child with autism + the 6 and NOW eight (with a likelihood that some will have special needs as well) is unbelieveable.




This is how I saw it as well.



Exactly, that was my intention. The amount of time and care needed for just one child with autism.

Posted 2/1/09 12:48 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

does anyone know if the MOTHER herself has spoken?

i am having a hard time listening to all these stories, they are all second-hand information. i don't think anyone can really judge her until she has a chance to speak for herself (which she might have already, i just haven't heard it).

Posted 2/1/09 1:20 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

she wants to host a TV show as "a childcare expert"? Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

she should be a guest on Oprah when she does a show based on "cautionary tales" Chat Icon

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Posted 2/1/09 2:22 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. Did anyone ever think about the children?!?! Other than use them as cash cows?
I hope Oprah rips her a new one....


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Posted 2/1/09 2:26 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by headoverheels

does anyone know if the MOTHER herself has spoken?

i am having a hard time listening to all these stories, they are all second-hand information. i don't think anyone can really judge her until she has a chance to speak for herself (which she might have already, i just haven't heard it).



I agree with LB. Honestly, even from this woman's mother, everything is heresy at this point.

Posted 2/1/09 2:29 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

I hope the media stops giving her attention and she has no choice but to put these kids up for adoption for their sakes.

Think about how many families have been waiting for children who can take care of them and are sane.

Flame away, but this was a media stunt from the beginning and that doctor will eventually come out if the price is right. He won't have a medical license anymore so he will need to get his 15 minutes.

I think not only is she 1/2 baked, she really is a sociopath and believes that somehow she will be able to care for all of her kids and they will be alright. The odds are not in her favor.

Posted 2/1/09 3:05 PM
 

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Re: For all those giving the Octuplet lady the benefit of the doubt

Posted by Porrruss

I didn't take the mention of autism as derogatory at all. I think the autism comment is because, -and lets be honest- a young child with a diagnosis of autism requires MUCH more attention due to needed therapies than a *typically developing* child.

This woman is stretched too thin for someone with 6 typical kids. To add the extra time needed to take care of a child with autism + the 6 and NOW eight (with a likelihood that some will have special needs as well) is unbelieveable.




That's what I thought too when I read it.

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