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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by Mrs213
I have had HPV and have had to have a colposcopy. It was very scary. While I don’t think it should be mandated, I am all for it.
Yes, I feel like when everyone discusses the vaccine they immediately point to cancer, which isn’t untrue, but people don’t realize that vaccination against the virus also reduces the number of (often invasive) biopsies and the physical and emotional toll they take on women.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions 
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
Agreed!! I'm all for vaccinations but I do not think there is any public safety concern for this that it should be mandated.
As for Hep B, I never really thought about the similarities. I guess because it's already mandated I just never gave it much thought. There are discreet differences though.
Certain strands of HPV could potentially lead to cancer if not treated. There are a lot of "may" and "could" and not as much definitive. Also, HPV is very treatable. I was diagnosed with it in 2000, had my treatments (not fun - first two were unsuccessful. Also, the treatments caused me to have problems during pregnancy.) and have not had a recurrence since.
On the other hand, Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexually. Also, it absolutely will lead to liver damage, treated or not, which can lead to a multitude of other health issues. It is a chronic and non-curable condition too. It can also be passed from mom to a fetus which is certainly concerning.
For this particular vaccine, I feel this should be left to the discretion of the patient and/or parent. I likely will get it for my kids but I can understand why others are against it.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
Agreed!! I'm all for vaccinations but I do not think there is any public safety concern for this that it should be mandated.
As for Hep B, I never really thought about the similarities. I guess because it's already mandated I just never gave it much thought. There are discreet differences though.
Certain strands of HPV could potentially lead to cancer if not treated. There are a lot of "may" and "could" and not as much definitive. Also, HPV is very treatable. I was diagnosed with it in 2000, had my treatments (not fun - first two were unsuccessful. Also, the treatments caused me to have problems during pregnancy.) and have not had a recurrence since.
On the other hand, Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexually. Also, it absolutely will lead to liver damage, treated or not, which can lead to a multitude of other health issues. It is a chronic and non-curable condition too. It can also be passed from mom to a fetus which is certainly concerning.
For this particular vaccine, I feel this should be left to the discretion of the patient and/or parent. I likely will get it for my kids but I can understand why others are against it.
The fact that you had “not fun” treatments and problems during pregnancy due to a virus you didn’t know was being passed to you is a public health concern. This happens to SO MANY women. It IS a concern.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not believe it should be mandated BUT it is the first vaccine to stop you from getting cancer which is HUGE. I think many who oppose the vaccine do so based on hearsay. I have family members who are doctors and parents and they are ALL 100% in favor OF getting the vaccine. Just my two cents. I have not seen or heard anything founded that gives me pause on the vaccine.
This is a genuine questions because I haven't yet done any research on this vaccine but does it actually stop you from getting cancer? Or does it protect against a virus that could potentially cause cancer?
Does HPV cause cancer all of the time? Or in some cases does it just lie dormant and never cause cancer?
I don't know much about HPV or this vaccine so I'm just wondering because I have heard this being called a "cancer" vaccine and the thought of that has such far sweeping potential for other forms of cancer- a vaccine that can do that- but is that actually that? Or a vaccine against a virus that could cause cancer in certain cases?
I'm genuinely curious- not looking to start a debate at all.
All valid questions. All these are questions that everyone should be seeking answers too. I agree, talking to ur doctor should be something everyone does but it shouldn’t stop there. From my own experience and from many ppl I know, our doctors are not trained nearly enough in medical schools about vaccines, especially this one and considering this vaccine can easily become a mandate to our kids, it’s imperative we seek for everything and anything that pertains to gardasil, we’re not trying to learn how to do brain surgery here, we’re learning pros AND cons from this vaccine, something that all of us are more than capable to do especially when it involves our children. Many people (pro vaccine, anti, and everyone in between) are against this vaccine but why? The manufacturer of gardasil claims it helps against 4 strains of HPV which may (key word) become cancer. Ok beautiful but there are hundreds and hundreds of strains, not only that but even if u get one of those 4 strains, is not certain it’ll result in cancer. There are studies that show prevention (regular paps) can be way more efficient, something that we should all already be doing. Now how about the components, would they bring me more harm than the benefits that Merck is claiming this vaccine has? Just polysorbate 80 along can pose more harm that what they’re even willing to admit! And then these legislators are telling me I’m gonna have to be forced to inject (which is so different than ingest cause the body cannot get rid of it) that into my kids (the people I love more than anyone else in this world!) or they won’t receive an education? What about the thousands of ppl around the world having serious adverse effects even dying because of this vaccine? What do they have to say? Will I be willing to play Russian roulette with my own children with something they’re telling me it’s supposedly safe? Having said all these, why in the world are legislators (and pharmaceutical companies) so interested in making this specific vaccine mandatory to children 9 yo and older?? Like some ppl have mentioned, HPV is not contagious and under no circumstances will children be getting it in schools. When thinking in all these, I can’t help but wonder, why Hoylman (the senator that sponsored the removal of non medical exemptions AND the HPV vaccine) is so persistent in passing these bills??? Are they really caring for the health of MY children or is there something else? It’s totally ok for parents to have the option of giving this vaccine to their children with the full and proper informed consent but to mandate it considering all the flaws gardasil has is a huge red flag for me.
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Re: Gardasil Event
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Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
What about Hep B? Aren’t all babies given that basically at birth?
Don’t get me started on that one! But yes, Hep B is given at the hospital, usually the day a baby is born. U can certainly tell the nurses u’ll have ur pediatrician do it when u leave the hospital but this is something that nurses will tend to give u a hard time with. Also unless the mother has Hep B (which normally doesn’t happen and can be tested ahead of time), the only 2 ways to get it is by sharing contaminated needles (drug use) or sex, which we already know babies don’t do, lol!
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
Agreed!! I'm all for vaccinations but I do not think there is any public safety concern for this that it should be mandated.
As for Hep B, I never really thought about the similarities. I guess because it's already mandated I just never gave it much thought. There are discreet differences though.
Certain strands of HPV could potentially lead to cancer if not treated. There are a lot of "may" and "could" and not as much definitive. Also, HPV is very treatable. I was diagnosed with it in 2000, had my treatments (not fun - first two were unsuccessful. Also, the treatments caused me to have problems during pregnancy.) and have not had a recurrence since.
On the other hand, Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexually. Also, it absolutely will lead to liver damage, treated or not, which can lead to a multitude of other health issues. It is a chronic and non-curable condition too. It can also be passed from mom to a fetus which is certainly concerning.
For this particular vaccine, I feel this should be left to the discretion of the patient and/or parent. I likely will get it for my kids but I can understand why others are against it.
The fact that you had “not fun” treatments and problems during pregnancy due to a virus you didn’t know was being passed to you is a public health concern. This happens to SO MANY women. It IS a concern.
I agree. It may not seem like a public health concern in the sense of brushing against someone or coughing, but sex is something that happens amongst most of the population. It seems to me that teenagers are having sex younger and younger these days and molestation happens as well. I suppose that is slightly OT and unpleasant to think about, but it happens.
The link seems biased and the speakers that they have are biased if you do a quick google search.
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Gardasil Event
I don't think it should be mandatory. Not this one. However, with that being said, I had them give the vaccine to my son at his well check. As an Oncology RN I've seen far too many HPV related cancers including men. My husbands coworker is just starting 35 rounds of radiation to his throat and tongue as well as chemotherapy for HPV related oral cancer. It happens more than people realize. They're already seeing a reduction in the rate of HPV related cancers. I attended a seminar at the hospital about it, and to ME it's worth it. My sons will all get this vaccine.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
I totally agree with this! I vaccinate my kids but I will do everything I can not to give them this vaccine. For me, it is a "risk/benefit" analysis and the risk does not, in my opinion, outweigh the potential benefit.
Also, making this mandatory is a huge red flag. If it was so wonderful, you wouldn't have to force it - people would be lining up in the streets. It's all about the money. Pharmaceutical companies donate money to politicians to make these bills. Insurance companies give doctors monetary incentives based on the number of HPV shots they administer.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I am however all for mandating communicable disease Vaccines, including the flu vaccine. This one in particular should be a choice because not Having it doesn’t pose an immediate public health risk. You can’t get HPV from a door handle or a sneeze.
I would not consider myself an antivaxer by any means, but I would like to see what would happen to the person who would come at me with an injection of the flu vaccine. I would die first. Or they would.
edt. for spelling
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I am however all for mandating communicable disease Vaccines, including the flu vaccine. This one in particular should be a choice because not Having it doesn’t pose an immediate public health risk. You can’t get HPV from a door handle or a sneeze.
I would not consider myself an antivaxer by any means, but I would like to see what would happen to the person who would come at me with an injection of the flu vaccine. I would die first. Or they would.
edt. for spelling
That made me laugh.
I've never had a flu shot either so I hear ya.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
What about Hep B? Aren’t all babies given that basically at birth?
Don’t get me started on that one! But yes, Hep B is given at the hospital, usually the day a baby is born. U can certainly tell the nurses u’ll have ur pediatrician do it when u leave the hospital but this is something that nurses will tend to give u a hard time with. Also unless the mother has Hep B (which normally doesn’t happen and can be tested ahead of time), the only 2 ways to get it is by sharing contaminated needles (drug use) or sex, which we already know babies don’t do, lol!
So why is everyone “ok” with this one, but not Gardasil?
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
What about Hep B? Aren’t all babies given that basically at birth?
Don’t get me started on that one! But yes, Hep B is given at the hospital, usually the day a baby is born. U can certainly tell the nurses u’ll have ur pediatrician do it when u leave the hospital but this is something that nurses will tend to give u a hard time with. Also unless the mother has Hep B (which normally doesn’t happen and can be tested ahead of time), the only 2 ways to get it is by sharing contaminated needles (drug use) or sex, which we already know babies don’t do, lol!
So why is everyone “ok” with this one, but not Gardasil?
HPV is spread via contact with sex organs. Hep B can be spread more easily by any bodily fluid. HPV is usually not fatal. Hep B will most likely be fatal if not treated. You can do certain things to prevent contracting the HPV virus. The risks of the HPV shot include among other things contracting a long term autoimmune disease or infertility. It's just not worth it to me.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not believe it should be mandated BUT it is the first vaccine to stop you from getting cancer which is HUGE. I think many who oppose the vaccine do so based on hearsay. I have family members who are doctors and parents and they are ALL 100% in favor OF getting the vaccine. Just my two cents. I have not seen or heard anything founded that gives me pause on the vaccine.
This is a genuine questions because I haven't yet done any research on this vaccine but does it actually stop you from getting cancer? Or does it protect against a virus that could potentially cause cancer?
Does HPV cause cancer all of the time? Or in some cases does it just lie dormant and never cause cancer?
I don't know much about HPV or this vaccine so I'm just wondering because I have heard this being called a "cancer" vaccine and the thought of that has such far sweeping potential for other forms of cancer- a vaccine that can do that- but is that actually that? Or a vaccine against a virus that could cause cancer in certain cases?
I'm genuinely curious- not looking to start a debate at all.
All valid questions. All these are questions that everyone should be seeking answers too. I agree, talking to ur doctor should be something everyone does but it shouldn’t stop there. From my own experience and from many ppl I know, our doctors are not trained nearly enough in medical schools about vaccines, especially this one and considering this vaccine can easily become a mandate to our kids, it’s imperative we seek for everything and anything that pertains to gardasil, we’re not trying to learn how to do brain surgery here, we’re learning pros AND cons from this vaccine, something that all of us are more than capable to do especially when it involves our children. Many people (pro vaccine, anti, and everyone in between) are against this vaccine but why? The manufacturer of gardasil claims it helps against 4 strains of HPV which may (key word) become cancer. Ok beautiful but there are hundreds and hundreds of strains, not only that but even if u get one of those 4 strains, is not certain it’ll result in cancer. There are studies that show prevention (regular paps) can be way more efficient, something that we should all already be doing. Now how about the components, would they bring me more harm than the benefits that Merck is claiming this vaccine has? Just polysorbate 80 along can pose more harm that what they’re even willing to admit! And then these legislators are telling me I’m gonna have to be forced to inject (which is so different than ingest cause the body cannot get rid of it) that into my kids (the people I love more than anyone else in this world!) or they won’t receive an education? What about the thousands of ppl around the world having serious adverse effects even dying because of this vaccine? What do they have to say? Will I be willing to play Russian roulette with my own children with something they’re telling me it’s supposedly safe? Having said all these, why in the world are legislators (and pharmaceutical companies) so interested in making this specific vaccine mandatory to children 9 yo and older?? Like some ppl have mentioned, HPV is not contagious and under no circumstances will children be getting it in schools. When thinking in all these, I can’t help but wonder, why Hoylman (the senator that sponsored the removal of non medical exemptions AND the HPV vaccine) is so persistent in passing these bills??? Are they really caring for the health of MY children or is there something else? It’s totally ok for parents to have the option of giving this vaccine to their children with the full and proper informed consent but to mandate it considering all the flaws gardasil has is a huge red flag for me.
People like to talk about how effective screening for cervical cancer is, and that’s generally true. However HPV causes many types of cancer, including anal cancer, rates of which has increased dramatically among older women. It can also cause throat cancer. If you weren’t aware of that then perhaps you aren’t qualified to counsel people on web boards about this vaccine. Also, you feel doctors don’t get enough training in medical school on vaccines, but you have, on the Internet? Ok then!
HPV is a well documented scourge. I am thrilled I can prevent it in my children.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by CookiePuss
Look at the research on this in Australia. This in not whether you want to mandate or not but the research is compelling.
Link to some research
Thank you CookiePuss for a REAL study with real doctors and real research. Here are the results:
"Results: Substantial declines in high-grade cervical disease and genital warts among vaccine-eligible women have been observed. Reductions in genital warts incidence and HPV prevalence among heterosexual men of similar age were observed before introduction of the male vaccination programme, indicating a substantial herd effect. 9vHPV vaccine is expected to prevent up to 90% of cervical and 96% of anal cancers. Of an estimated 1,544 HPV-associated cancers in 2012, 1,242 would have been preventable by the 4vHPV vaccine and an additional 187 anogenital cancers by the 9vHPV vaccine. Conclusions: Vaccination using 4vHPV vaccine has had a large demonstrable impact on HPV-related disease in Australia. A switch to 9vHPV could further reduce the HPV-associated cancer burden. With continued high coverage among both males and females, elimination of vaccine-type HPV disease seems achievable in Australia."
Hopefully, this can help people come to an educated decision, either way. I know it doesn't answer the question of mandatory vaccination without consent, but that's a political problem.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not believe it should be mandated BUT it is the first vaccine to stop you from getting cancer which is HUGE. I think many who oppose the vaccine do so based on hearsay. I have family members who are doctors and parents and they are ALL 100% in favor OF getting the vaccine. Just my two cents. I have not seen or heard anything founded that gives me pause on the vaccine.
This is a genuine questions because I haven't yet done any research on this vaccine but does it actually stop you from getting cancer? Or does it protect against a virus that could potentially cause cancer?
Does HPV cause cancer all of the time? Or in some cases does it just lie dormant and never cause cancer?
I don't know much about HPV or this vaccine so I'm just wondering because I have heard this being called a "cancer" vaccine and the thought of that has such far sweeping potential for other forms of cancer- a vaccine that can do that- but is that actually that? Or a vaccine against a virus that could cause cancer in certain cases?
I'm genuinely curious- not looking to start a debate at all.
All valid questions. All these are questions that everyone should be seeking answers too. I agree, talking to ur doctor should be something everyone does but it shouldn’t stop there. From my own experience and from many ppl I know, our doctors are not trained nearly enough in medical schools about vaccines, especially this one and considering this vaccine can easily become a mandate to our kids, it’s imperative we seek for everything and anything that pertains to gardasil, we’re not trying to learn how to do brain surgery here, we’re learning pros AND cons from this vaccine, something that all of us are more than capable to do especially when it involves our children. Many people (pro vaccine, anti, and everyone in between) are against this vaccine but why? The manufacturer of gardasil claims it helps against 4 strains of HPV which may (key word) become cancer. Ok beautiful but there are hundreds and hundreds of strains, not only that but even if u get one of those 4 strains, is not certain it’ll result in cancer. There are studies that show prevention (regular paps) can be way more efficient, something that we should all already be doing. Now how about the components, would they bring me more harm than the benefits that Merck is claiming this vaccine has? Just polysorbate 80 along can pose more harm that what they’re even willing to admit! And then these legislators are telling me I’m gonna have to be forced to inject (which is so different than ingest cause the body cannot get rid of it) that into my kids (the people I love more than anyone else in this world!) or they won’t receive an education? What about the thousands of ppl around the world having serious adverse effects even dying because of this vaccine? What do they have to say? Will I be willing to play Russian roulette with my own children with something they’re telling me it’s supposedly safe? Having said all these, why in the world are legislators (and pharmaceutical companies) so interested in making this specific vaccine mandatory to children 9 yo and older?? Like some ppl have mentioned, HPV is not contagious and under no circumstances will children be getting it in schools. When thinking in all these, I can’t help but wonder, why Hoylman (the senator that sponsored the removal of non medical exemptions AND the HPV vaccine) is so persistent in passing these bills??? Are they really caring for the health of MY children or is there something else? It’s totally ok for parents to have the option of giving this vaccine to their children with the full and proper informed consent but to mandate it considering all the flaws gardasil has is a huge red flag for me.
People like to talk about how effective screening for cervical cancer is, and that’s generally true. However HPV causes many types of cancer, including anal cancer, rates of which has increased dramatically among older women. It can also cause throat cancer. If you weren’t aware of that then perhaps you aren’t qualified to counsel people on web boards about this vaccine. Also, you feel doctors don’t get enough training in medical school on vaccines, but you have, on the Internet? Ok then!
HPV is a well documented scourge. I am thrilled I can prevent it in my children.
“Qualified to counsel ppl”?!? I never intended that. That was never my purpose. My goal is not to persuade ppl’s mindset but to bring awareness of the things we’re not told, things that happen more than they’re making us belief. I really don’t get what made u think I was trying to counsel ppl but I’m glad I clarified that. We will never agree with every single thing especially on this topic and that’s TOTALLY ok, it’s bound to happen, every single person is their own individual self with their own belief system but when a group of people thinks it’s just one way and everyone must follow that, taking ur rights away then that’s a huge problem and should be a huge problem for everybody. I don’t believe in that vaccine, u do but at least we still have the option to get it or not, an option that can be taken away this Jan just like it happened back in June.
Oh and btw I don’t “feel” drs don’t get enough training about this, it’s a fact. Many drs and nurses have openly admitted it happens.
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Oh and btw I don’t “feel” drs don’t get enough training about this, it’s a fact. Many drs and nurses have openly admitted it happens.
Sorry but how many is "many"? You have heard a statement from a few Drs./nurses you have encountered. That does not make it FACT. Unless you have conducted research into the topic, (and even then - as this post shows - there can be disagreement), you do not have FACTS to support your statement. What you have are several peoples' thoughts on a topic. I'm sure you could find just as many Drs/nurses who feel otherwise
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FirstMate
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
Agreed!! I'm all for vaccinations but I do not think there is any public safety concern for this that it should be mandated.
As for Hep B, I never really thought about the similarities. I guess because it's already mandated I just never gave it much thought. There are discreet differences though.
Certain strands of HPV could potentially lead to cancer if not treated. There are a lot of "may" and "could" and not as much definitive. Also, HPV is very treatable. I was diagnosed with it in 2000, had my treatments (not fun - first two were unsuccessful. Also, the treatments caused me to have problems during pregnancy.) and have not had a recurrence since.
On the other hand, Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexually. Also, it absolutely will lead to liver damage, treated or not, which can lead to a multitude of other health issues. It is a chronic and non-curable condition too. It can also be passed from mom to a fetus which is certainly concerning.
For this particular vaccine, I feel this should be left to the discretion of the patient and/or parent. I likely will get it for my kids but I can understand why others are against it.
The fact that you had “not fun” treatments and problems during pregnancy due to a virus you didn’t know was being passed to you is a public health concern. This happens to SO MANY women. It IS a concern.
Just like I wouldn't have known if HIV or any other STD was being passed along to me. It is a diagnosis reflecting a failure to use protection.
I don't think that makes it a public safety issue and I disagree with the government dictating the vaccination. I think that opens a pandora's box and at what point can we limit the government's power over our bodies? So many people are against the flu vaccination. Right here in this little LIF community you see it. The flu is super contagious and, in some cases, deadly. That is truly a public health concern. But if that vaccination was up for being mandated, people would lose their minds.
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| Posted 11/20/19 1:54 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I don't understand the logic. I guess "my body... my choice" only applies to abortions
They say we shouldn't have a choice when public health is at risk, and I somewhat agree. I understand the MMR and other immunizations that prevent illnesses that are contagious through just breathing the same air as someone else, but this is an immunization against a sexually transmitted disease and there should be a choice no matter what. It does not pose a risk to the general public and kids in school will not catch HPV just by brushing arms with someone.
If you're all for it, then get it for your kids. Nobody is stopping you. You shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else. There is literally no reason this has to be mandated. It is possible to want this immunization for your kids while respecting the people that don't. It's not one or the other. Whoever wants it, can get it.
Agreed!! I'm all for vaccinations but I do not think there is any public safety concern for this that it should be mandated.
As for Hep B, I never really thought about the similarities. I guess because it's already mandated I just never gave it much thought. There are discreet differences though.
Certain strands of HPV could potentially lead to cancer if not treated. There are a lot of "may" and "could" and not as much definitive. Also, HPV is very treatable. I was diagnosed with it in 2000, had my treatments (not fun - first two were unsuccessful. Also, the treatments caused me to have problems during pregnancy.) and have not had a recurrence since.
On the other hand, Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexually. Also, it absolutely will lead to liver damage, treated or not, which can lead to a multitude of other health issues. It is a chronic and non-curable condition too. It can also be passed from mom to a fetus which is certainly concerning.
For this particular vaccine, I feel this should be left to the discretion of the patient and/or parent. I likely will get it for my kids but I can understand why others are against it.
The fact that you had “not fun” treatments and problems during pregnancy due to a virus you didn’t know was being passed to you is a public health concern. This happens to SO MANY women. It IS a concern.
Just like I wouldn't have known if HIV or any other STD was being passed along to me. It is a diagnosis reflecting a failure to use protection.
I don't think that makes it a public safety issue and I disagree with the government dictating the vaccination. I think that opens a pandora's box and at what point can we limit the government's power over our bodies? So many people are against the flu vaccination. Right here in this little LIF community you see it. The flu is super contagious and, in some cases, deadly. That is truly a public health concern. But if that vaccination was up for being mandated, people would lose their minds.
Condoms don’t always protect against HPV, it’s spread through skin to skin contact. A virus requiring invasive diagnostics and treatment that can subsequently lead to cancer, with no feasible way to avoid (abstinence is not a feasible option for the majority of the population) is a public heath concern. The amount of money and resources that are used to diagnose and treat HPV are a burden for everyone.
Whether or not you agree with the vaccine, HPV is a public health concern.
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| Posted 11/20/19 4:23 PM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by FirstMate
I don't think that makes it a public safety issue and I disagree with the government dictating the vaccination. I think that opens a pandora's box and at what point can we limit the government's power over our bodies? So many people are against the flu vaccination. Right here in this little LIF community you see it. The flu is super contagious and, in some cases, deadly. That is truly a public health concern. But if that vaccination was up for being mandated, people would lose their minds.
The flu shot actually was mandated for day cares and preschools in NYC this year. There is already a bill introduced to mandate it statewide for all children.
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| Posted 11/20/19 5:43 PM |
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by maybebaby
I don't think it should be mandatory. Not this one. However, with that being said, I had them give the vaccine to my son at his well check. As an Oncology RN I've seen far too many HPV related cancers including men. My husbands coworker is just starting 35 rounds of radiation to his throat and tongue as well as chemotherapy for HPV related oral cancer. It happens more than people realize. They're already seeing a reduction in the rate of HPV related cancers. I attended a seminar at the hospital about it, and to ME it's worth it. My sons will all get this vaccine.
Thank you for this response I appreciate when I hear from medical professionals.
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| Posted 11/21/19 12:03 PM |
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Oh and btw I don’t “feel” drs don’t get enough training about this, it’s a fact. Many drs and nurses have openly admitted it happens.
Sorry but how many is "many"? You have heard a statement from a few Drs./nurses you have encountered. That does not make it FACT. Unless you have conducted research into the topic, (and even then - as this post shows - there can be disagreement), you do not have FACTS to support your statement. What you have are several peoples' thoughts on a topic. I'm sure you could find just as many Drs/nurses who feel otherwise
I would take a doctor/nurse's opinion over a layman's opinion on a medical issue any day of the week. They may not be SPECIFICALLY vaccination trained but they have YEARS of intense medical training and on the job exposure which is what makes their opinion on vaccines important. So many of these click bait vaccination stories are simply untrue but people just keep reposting them....
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| Posted 11/21/19 12:06 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Gardasil Event
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by FirstMate
I don't think that makes it a public safety issue and I disagree with the government dictating the vaccination. I think that opens a pandora's box and at what point can we limit the government's power over our bodies? So many people are against the flu vaccination. Right here in this little LIF community you see it. The flu is super contagious and, in some cases, deadly. That is truly a public health concern. But if that vaccination was up for being mandated, people would lose their minds.
The flu shot actually was mandated for day cares and preschools in NYC this year. There is already a bill introduced to mandate it statewide for all children.
Indeed! S2276 and A2316
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