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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
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Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
Makes no sense.
There are so many things in NY that require ID....are these racist too???
Doctors appointments
Return an item to target
Buy alcohol
Enter a casino
Applying for a job
Buy cigarettes
Buy or lease a car
Pick up a child from school
Cash a check
I don’t know, many minorities manage to do these things?
Voting - protected by the US Constitution
Doctor - some walk-in clinics don't require ID, especially if paid in cash
Target - company policy
Buy alcohol - I haven't needed to show ID in LONG time...
Applying for a job - some jobs don't require ID
Buy a car - I can easily go in my neighborhood and buy a car in cash today without any ID.
Cash a check - there are ways to cash a check without ID.
You can’t pick up a child at school without ID.
Company policy with stores but that is every store. So how does that work, they never pick up or return items to stores?
Many places ask you for ID to buy alcohol under the age of 40. Walmart is one.
ID needed at the bank.
So many things require ID now.
Which one of those things is a US constitutionally protected right?
You can't equate voting to any of the above.
Voting is more important, IMO than picking up a package or getting a pack of cigarettes. Why wouldn’t you want people to prove who they are to vote?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
Makes no sense.
There are so many things in NY that require ID....are these racist too???
Doctors appointments
Return an item to target
Buy alcohol
Enter a casino
Applying for a job
Buy cigarettes
Buy or lease a car
Pick up a child from school
Cash a check
I don’t know, many minorities manage to do these things?
Voting - protected by the US Constitution
Doctor - some walk-in clinics don't require ID, especially if paid in cash
Target - company policy
Buy alcohol - I haven't needed to show ID in LONG time...
Applying for a job - some jobs don't require ID
Buy a car - I can easily go in my neighborhood and buy a car in cash today without any ID.
Cash a check - there are ways to cash a check without ID.
You can’t pick up a child at school without ID.
Company policy with stores but that is every store. So how does that work, they never pick up or return items to stores?
Many places ask you for ID to buy alcohol under the age of 40. Walmart is one.
ID needed at the bank.
So many things require ID now.
Which one of those things is a US constitutionally protected right?
You can't equate voting to any of the above.
Voting is more important, IMO than picking up a package or getting a pack of cigarettes. Why wouldn’t you want people to prove who they are to vote?
Voting is a constitutional right. The government has no business creating laws and rules to make it difficult for anyone to exercise this right and that includes requiring ID.
Stop comparing voting to retail shopping. It doesn't make any sense.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Seriously question then- are these people now not allowed to get vaccinated?
I know it's a different topic than voting but that is concerning as well then
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
We have it worse than they do here in NY. I just don’t understand the uproar.
It’s like they are trying to send a message to other states that might be considering tightening up not to do so because they will come after you next.
I agree you shouldn’t get an absentee ballot without a reason. There is still plenty of time to vote.
But I also agree that photo id isn’t racist. With all the money we send to other countries we can’t make it accessible for every American to get a photo id? But we can have vaccine id. Give me a break.
Agree with all. Voting should have ID in every state.
The states are never going to give up their rights to control their own elections.
The problem with voter ID is that it IS NOT available to all. There is no form of universally, acceptable, free and readily available form of ID. Even if ID is free, the process of getting that ID is usually not. In lieu of that, you have voter suppression.
Voting is a right. YOu can't compare a right to the vaccine ID.
So step back and trace the reasonings why GA is changing voter laws? There was noting in this last election that can be considered fraud or illegal voting. There was no reason to change the voting laws. If Republicans had won the Senate and the state's electoral college votes went to Trump - Do you think the GA legislature would have passed these new voter laws? My educated guess is no. That speaks volumes.
Stop sending billions to other countries and fix it here. Did you know that in India they use so much more advance technology as forms of ID? Google it....it will amaze you the things that are available if we invested money into our own country!!
Accept that the laws in GA are not designed to improve voting or to make it more secure.
The new laws are specific in their intention.
You don’t really need to request an absentee ballot 6 months out. Maybe we should invest in our postal system if we don’t trust it.
Why would you send ballots to every single registered voter? It makes sense to send only to those who request it.
We don’t need weeks of early voting, I think Monday to Friday is fair. If they were giving you your stimulus check between Monday to Friday I’m sure you would find a way to make it work.
How is showing ID for absentee ballots a bad thing?
I think so many people are up in arms and didn’t really read what it’s doing.
The only thing that I could see changing is the drop boxes, don’t understand the logic behind limiting them.
But ultimately, how is it a bad thing to give people various options for voting along with making it easier to vote?
Our country intentionally keeps people down. If we actually wanted to give people a voice, we'd make voting EASIER, not more DIFFICULT.
The problem is that it's too easy. I was standing there checking in and thought how easy it would've been to vote as my neighbor too - the line was so long the polling folks barely looked at me, especially with a mask on. I knew she hadn't voted yet. When my neighbor did vote and came home she said the exact same thing.
I believe voter fraud is real. If you are eligible to vote in the US, you should have id and be asked to prove it. Like PPs said you need id for so many other things.
Message edited 4/4/2021 4:10:10 PM.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Seriously question then- are these people now not allowed to get vaccinated?
I know it's a different topic than voting but that is concerning as well then
Yes, you need to show ID to get your vaccine. You have to show proof your age and who you are.
Message edited 4/4/2021 4:11:58 PM.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Seriously question then- are these people now not allowed to get vaccinated?
I know it's a different topic than voting but that is concerning as well then
I have no idea how that is handled at the vaccination sites.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
Stop sending billions to other countries!!!
There is so much waste in government. Look at it in your local governments. You would be amazed at the wastefulness...it’s disgusting.
There is money for it, but we choose to piss money away.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
If I can prove that I need welfare or school lunches or discounted medical bills or medical insurance for my children under the state, I am sure you can prove you need ID.
It is also not required so people can’t say who they are. Kind of like how people don’t carry around their ID and when they get stopped it can be much harder to figure out who they are for multiple reasons.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
Stop sending billions to other countries!!!
There is so much waste in government. Look at it in your local governments. You would be amazed at the wastefulness...it’s disgusting.
There is money for it, but we choose to piss money away.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
Stop sending billions to other countries!!!
There is so much waste in government. Look at it in your local governments. You would be amazed at the wastefulness...it’s disgusting.
There is money for it, but we choose to piss money away.
I'm not saying that there is no waste in spending.
The big problem is that local and state gov'ts can not run at a deficit such as the Federal gov't can and that poses a big problem with budgets.
ETA: I'm not sure that local and state governments are funding out of country endeavors. Again that is the Fed and they have no power over how states run their elections.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
Stop sending billions to other countries!!!
There is so much waste in government. Look at it in your local governments. You would be amazed at the wastefulness...it’s disgusting.
There is money for it, but we choose to piss money away.
Honestly how much would it even cost them in bulk to distribute them? How many people truly need help getting an ID?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t occur no matter that they couldn’t find evidence. Heck Casey Anthony and OJ went free because of lack of evidence.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t occur no matter that they couldn’t find evidence. Heck Casey Anthony and OJ went free because of lack of evidence.
Usually that is exactly what a lack of evidence means.
OJ and Casey Anthony cases acquitted, not because of a lack of evidence, but because of a reasonable doubt.
Evidence is not an absolution of a criminal conviction.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t occur no matter that they couldn’t find evidence. Heck Casey Anthony and OJ went free because of lack of evidence.
Usually that is exactly what a lack of evidence means.
OJ and Casey Anthony cases acquitted, not because of a lack of evidence, but because of a reasonable doubt.
Evidence is not an absolution of a criminal conviction.
They still were guilty no matter how you slice and dice it. Just like many will still believe there is and has always been voter fraud and if voter ID will help out with that to ensure it doesn’t happen, then it needs to be pushed.
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| Posted 4/4/21 4:42 PM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Once again, it should be something that the government issues. If the government can pay for vaccinations, they can pay for ID’s for people who truly can’t afford it.
Okay, so who issues it and pays for it?
The federal gov't can't because each state holds the power for their own elections.
When, where and how is each person given an id and what is acceptable?
How do I prove I can not afford my ID? How do I prove that I can't not provide the paperwork for it? How do I prove I have limited transportation so I can't go get it?
The vaccine is given out by JNJ, MDRN, PFE to various agencies such as CVS, Walgreens, etc... privately owned companies (publicly traded though) ...Do we utilize the same type of disbursements means for IDs?
Instead of fighting me about why IDs should be required - look at the history of why isn't not. Understand how it is used to suppress votes.
Stop sending billions to other countries!!!
There is so much waste in government. Look at it in your local governments. You would be amazed at the wastefulness...it’s disgusting.
There is money for it, but we choose to piss money away.
Honestly how much would it even cost them in bulk to distribute them? How many people truly need help getting an ID?
If it's a standard - everyone of legal voting age would need them.
There is the cost of compiling, materials, a place to make the IDs, a distribution channel, a system of renewal because at 18 I don't look the same at 40, and an enforcement method. Then you also need to worry about the fraudenal voter IDs that might be created to allow for someone to vote for a dead person or a non existent person so you need some fraud safe guards.
Where is the funding coming from? How is the state going to raise revenue?
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
That doesn’t mean it didn’t occur no matter that they couldn’t find evidence. Heck Casey Anthony and OJ went free because of lack of evidence.
Usually that is exactly what a lack of evidence means.
OJ and Casey Anthony cases acquitted, not because of a lack of evidence, but because of a reasonable doubt.
Evidence is not an absolution of a criminal conviction.
They still were guilty no matter how you slice and dice it. Just like many will still believe there is and has always been voter fraud and if voter ID will help out with that to ensure it doesn’t happen, then it needs to be pushed.
Yes, because of the EVIDENCE but the defense created a reasonable doubt...see how important having evidence of fraud and murder is?
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Re: Georgia voting law
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/fake-drivers-licenses-flooding-into-us-from-china-other-countries-us-says
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In the first six months of 2020, Customs and Borden Protection officers seized nearly 20,000 counterfeit U.S. driver’s licenses at Chicago’s O’Hare airport alone, according to a report.
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Last fall, CBP agents in Kentucky intercepted nearly 3,000 fake U.S. licenses and more than 3,000 blank card stocks for counterfeiting licenses that were headed for New York City, the New York Post reported.
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So, since it's proven that ID cards aren't secure enough and can be forged, I guess we need signatures, ID, fingerprints, retina scans, and DNA sample. If we don't require all of those, someone might be able to commit voter fraud.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Diane
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Seriously question then- are these people now not allowed to get vaccinated?
I know it's a different topic than voting but that is concerning as well then
Yes, you need to show ID to get your vaccine. You have to show proof your age and who you are.
I was just vaccinated on Friday and I'm 98% sure I did not show my ID. It was only 3 days ago so I should remember. I'll ask the person I was with to confirm whether they asked or not...I just really don't remember opening my purse.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Google India identification. A country with such impoverished areas manages to have this technological advanced system. Yet, we can’t get a photo on a card for our citizens.
ETA, I understand it’s a constitutional right to vote but we must also protect it. With advancements today and the political climate we must make sure that those who are voting are actually who they say they are.
I am not saying that there are ways to enhance voting.
Who says that the current voting system is not working. With the intense time, money and effort that went into finding fraud and having that fraud discounted and proven to not have existed - why do we need to change it now?
You stated that the pandemic brought to light many flaws but I asked what flaws and when have they been proven and held up to scrutiny?
The 2020 election was the most secure election in recent times and that is coming from non partisan groups.
There was no widespread fraud in GA...nothing that would have needed the sweeping legislation that came down other then the Republicans lost power at the Federal level. The flip from Republican to Democrat is what the Republican held state needs to change. They didn't need to rectify voting fraud that did not exist.
Things were brought to light. Like how easy it is to just sign anyone’s name when you go to a voting site.
How anyone can request a ballot for anyone they want and send it in.
There are flaws. Fix it before it’s an issue.
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RomeyT
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by Diane
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Anotherplease
I don’t understand why it is not ok to have id to vote but the idea of a vaccine passport is ok. Like you can’t verify that you are who you say you are but it’s ok to have proof that you are fully vaccinated for a virus? I am also not vaccinated but I know many people who are and they had to show id to get it.
It’s an issue that people insist on not believing there is one.
The theory of it is that ID can be and is cost prohibitive and geographically hard for some US citizens to obtain; and therefore would inhibit their constitutional right to vote.
If you live on LI that may be hard to fathom but there are lots of areas of this country where going to get an Gov't ID is not all that easy.
Seriously question then- are these people now not allowed to get vaccinated?
I know it's a different topic than voting but that is concerning as well then
Yes, you need to show ID to get your vaccine. You have to show proof your age and who you are.
I was just vaccinated on Friday and I'm 98% sure I did not show my ID. It was only 3 days ago so I should remember. I'll ask the person I was with to confirm whether they asked or not...I just really don't remember opening my purse.
Nope. Went this morning and only had to sign in.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/fake-drivers-licenses-flooding-into-us-from-china-other-countries-us-says
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In the first six months of 2020, Customs and Borden Protection officers seized nearly 20,000 counterfeit U.S. driver’s licenses at Chicago’s O’Hare airport alone, according to a report.
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Last fall, CBP agents in Kentucky intercepted nearly 3,000 fake U.S. licenses and more than 3,000 blank card stocks for counterfeiting licenses that were headed for New York City, the New York Post reported.
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So, since it's proven that ID cards aren't secure enough and can be forged, I guess we need signatures, ID, fingerprints, retina scans, and DNA sample. If we don't require all of those, someone might be able to commit voter fraud.
Don’t licenses now have holograms so they are not as easy to make fake ones?
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