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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by RomeyT
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Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote. 
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
But a paper absentee ballot is ok?
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Yes, it is. Options. People should have options.
But a paper ID is archaic?
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Naturalmama
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Georgia voting law
The only reason some (not necessarily on this board, in general) are so upset is because they know full well that if it becomes easier for people to vote and there is no longer voter suppression, a Republican will never again win the white house. It is mind blowing that anyone thinks people should be required to show up in person to vote. This makes it easier for MANY people to vote- the homebound, the sick, those who don't own cars, those who have nobody to watch their children, the list goes on...quite frankly I don't care why they don't vote in person. They shouldn't have to no matter the reason. I voted by mail in November- because I didn't want to stand in a line in close proximity with others in the middle of a pandemic. If I didn't have the option, I wouldn't have voted. That is how strongly I felt about not being among hundreds of strangers right now.
I really try to see both sides, and back in November I did research about the possibility of voter fraud. NOTHING was ever proven and it has been stated time and time again, the number of people who may have voted fraudulently is so small it would never overturn an election. Ever. You would need millions of fraudulent votes.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
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Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote.
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
But a paper absentee ballot is ok?
.
Yes, it is. Options. People should have options.
But a paper ID is archaic?
Having to ONLY vote in person is archaic. Carrying around a little ID to vote in person is archaic. Not changing with the times is archaic.
What aren't you understanding??? I've said the same thing 100 times. You love to drag threads on for no reason. Move on.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Naturalmama
The only reason some (not necessarily on this board, in general) are so upset is because they know full well that if it becomes easier for people to vote and there is no longer voter suppression, a Republican will never again win the white house. It is mind blowing that anyone thinks people should be required to show up in person to vote. This makes it easier for MANY people to vote- the homebound, the sick, those who don't own cars, those who have nobody to watch their children, the list goes on...quite frankly I don't care why they don't vote in person. They shouldn't have to no matter the reason. I voted by mail in November- because I didn't want to stand in a line in close proximity with others in the middle of a pandemic. If I didn't have the option, I wouldn't have voted. That is how strongly I felt about not being among hundreds of strangers right now.
I really try to see both sides, and back in November I did research about the possibility of voter fraud. NOTHING was ever proven and it has been stated time and time again, the number of people who may have voted fraudulently is so small it would never overturn an election. Ever. You would need millions of fraudulent votes.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by Hofstra26
Let's be honest. If they issued government ID's for voting then some people would then b!tch that it's not good enough and they would rail on about ballots not being secure. And then if they did away with ballots some would b!tch about the voting booths, or the day, or the time or how they count the votes and on and on. Why? Because some people like to complain about literally everything, especially when their candidate loses, regardless if it's rooted in any fact whatsoever.
Furthermore, this wouldn't be a conversation if it weren't for the tantrum throwing, sore loser, previous president who brainwashed SO many into actually believing that our election system is riddled with rampant fraud and the election was stolen from him.
The election rhetoric is getting so old. Until someone, ANYONE, can furnish clear cut, indisputable evidence that there is so much rampant fraud in our election system that elections are being decided a completely different way because of it then there is really nothing to talk about. It's pointless drama.
Nope. I bitched about the absurdity of it when I lived in another state 10 years ago. It’s been on my radar for a while.
Our government has no problem spending trillions of dollars on absolute horse shit. I’m sure if it was made any kind of priority the money could miraculously be found. And why should we wait for rampant fraud to occur in an election before we mandate IDs?
It hasn't been on the radar of the vast majority of this country. MOST people go vote and then don't think about the election beyond that.
There has NEVER been rampant fraud in this country and some stupid little government ID won't protect against that even if some were hell bent on screwing the system. If someone REALLY wanted to mess with our election they would find a way and what career criminal couldn't make a fake ID if needed?
I think people are putting WAY too much stock in what an ID would do in terms of security. It's silly.
I think with this last election it has become something more on people’s radar. More people are getting involved in politics and paying more attention.
It could actually do much more for security as people on this board alone have commented how they could easily commit fraud when voting.
I’ve had this on my radar since I turned 18 and showed up with my ID to vote and they told me to just sign and I was terrified that my signature wouldn’t match and I’d be embarrassed in front of everyone in line.....end result....they didn’t even look at my shaky signature!
It’s harder to make multiple fake id’s compared to randomly signing for people or requesting ballots for people.
I mean, we’re all about correcting things that have been done certain ways since the beginning of time these days but we can’t correct this? We can’t be bothered by this because you don’t agree? We have different opinions and I think ID should be required. I’m not going to argue back and forth.
So let me get this straight. You are all for change when it's what YOU want, such as voter ID. But when the change involves measures to make voting easier for everyone, such as mail in ballots, then you're outraged and want things to stay the same. Ok cool, got it.
I never said I’m against mail in ballots???
I’m for it being done WHEN NEEDED. There is no reason a perfectly fine human being can’t walk themselves to a polling place. There are people who fit the criteria and that’s fine. But able bodied people shouldn’t be mailing on ballots. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my vote actually getting where it needs to get in time.
I am bothered, not outraged, by randomly mailing absentee ballots when the individual doesn’t request them. That makes zero sense. ETA that this also creates issues with more local elections that are too close to call. If you have everyone being mailed ballots and members in the household or family members completing them for people who have no intention of voting this adds up! Get out and vote!
It's the 21st century and with all of the technology we have available to us expecting people to only vote in person is simply archaic and outdated. There is no reason to continue the voting process as we did 40 years ago. Time to change with the times.
That’s your opinion, I have to disagree.
Changing with the times to me, means showing ID because technology has changed and we need to prevent fraud. And changing with times, every single citizen should have a photo ID. Figure it out America, for the millionth time INVEST IN OUR COUNTRY and issue photo ID.
I would think it’s opposite of racist....wouldn’t they now be able to do so many things that they apparently can’t do since they don’t have photo ID? Or is it that they most legal citizens already have a photo ID and this is just an excuse?
First, there is NO rampant fraud and has never been. Not in this past election. Not in any other election. That is just a fact. Are there minor irregularities or some degree of human error? Of course. But none of that has ever been shown to alter the outcome of an election especially to the degree to which Trump spent months trying to convince everyone of.
But that aside.
The point I am making is we need to change with the times. Who cares about a silly government issued ID card that likely half the population won't be able to keep track of since we vote so infrequently. We should be working towards updating our election process to include voting online, voting via text, etc. This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
The entire country lives their lives online. We file taxes, pay bills, manage our money, apply for loans, handle medical bills, handle investments, apply for government benefits, benefits, sell houses, open accounts and on and on and on. How idiotic that we don't have the ability to vote online as well. In the 21st century with a generation of kids and adults who do next to nothing in-person it makes no sense to continue to push this outdated way of voting.
We use to have those voting booths when I was a kid and as those became outdated we moved to counting votes via other methods. For example, in my voting district on LI you bubbled in a paper ballot and it was scanned into a machine to be counted. Now it's time to move away from having to be in-person at all to opening up voting online. We should CONSTANTLY be in a state of improving the system and making it EASIER for everyone to have their voices heard.
To that end, we should also be doing away with the need to even register to vote in the first place. EVERY American citizen should automatically be able to vote upon turning 18. We shouldn't have to file paperwork to do so, streamline it. Make it automatic.
A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves. It's really not forward thinking at all IMO. We need to find ways to take advantage of all the technology that we have available to us in order to make voting more accessible to the masses. Standing on a long line at a polling booth (with a little ID card) is so 1980. Time to change.
Here you go with your quote is you needed to see where you said it.
Good job. And now you can read above and see where I said that we should expand voting to make it easier for everyone to vote.
And if it wasn't clear enough, you can feel free to go back and read all of my posts on this thread where I said the same.
This whole concept of expecting anyone to show up in person with a paper ID card to vote is literally the most archaic thing in the world.
But a paper absentee ballot is ok?
.
Yes, it is. Options. People should have options.
But a paper ID is archaic?
Having to ONLY vote in person is archaic. Carrying around a little ID to vote in person is archaic. Not changing with the times is archaic.
What aren't you understanding??? I've said the same thing 100 times. You love to drag threads on for no reason. Move on.
Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
I love your ability to always present facts along with links. I don't even do that...I am too lazy. 
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
No answer??? LOL You are so dimwitted. YOU keep talking about an ID. I'm talking about the need to expand voting options.
I have nothing more to say to you, I'm tired of repeating myself. Again.........
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
I'm sure VB will ignore you. Like always.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
So, a middle school ID should be sufficient to vote.
Got it!
The point isn't that you need ID to do some every day stuff...the point is that a lack of ID should not prevent someone the right to execute their constitutional right to vote.
Message edited 4/5/2021 6:52:34 PM.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
No answer??? LOL You are so dimwitted. YOU keep talking about an ID. I'm talking about the need to expand voting options.
I have nothing more to say to you, I'm tired of repeating myself. Again.........
Once again you stated about having an ID for only voting, why?
“A flimsy little ID card that everyone is expected to carry around and keep with them so they can vote every 2-4 years is such an outdated, archaic concept that it will cause more problems than it solves.”
Message edited 4/5/2021 6:53:02 PM.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
So, a middle school ID should be sufficient to vote.
Got it!
The point isn't that you need ID to do some every day stuff...the point is that a lack of ID should not prevent someone the right to execute their constitutional right to vote.
My point is that the majority of people need an ID for everyday life and everyone should have one even if they don’t.
How do you go out without ID god forbid something happens to you?
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GoldenRod
10 years on LIF!
Member since 11/06 26792 total posts
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
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CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!
Member since 5/05 14021 total posts
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
So, a middle school ID should be sufficient to vote.
Got it!
The point isn't that you need ID to do some every day stuff...the point is that a lack of ID should not prevent someone the right to execute their constitutional right to vote.
My point is that the majority of people need an ID for everyday life and everyone should have one even if they don’t.
How do you go out without ID god forbid something happens to you?
But as it has been pointed out with facts; there is a large number of Americans that get along just fine with out a gov't issued ID.
And lacking a gov't issued ID should NOT IMPEDE MY RIGHT TO VOTE AS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
It doesn't matter what you think about ID or me for that matter...it's impeding a constitutional
right.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
So, a middle school ID should be sufficient to vote.
Got it!
The point isn't that you need ID to do some every day stuff...the point is that a lack of ID should not prevent someone the right to execute their constitutional right to vote.
My point is that the majority of people need an ID for everyday life and everyone should have one even if they don’t.
How do you go out without ID god forbid something happens to you?
But as it has been pointed out with facts; there is a large number of Americans that get along just fine with out a gov't issued ID.
And lacking a gov't issued ID should NOT IMPEDE MY RIGHT TO VOTE AS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
It doesn't matter what you think about ID or me for that matter...it's impeding a constitutional
right.
I guess they never leave their homes.
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GoldenRod
10 years on LIF!
Member since 11/06 26792 total posts
Name:
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
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So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
So your assumption is that the 3 million or more people who didn't get an ID for 80 years ALL got an ID in the last 3 years? That's your takeaway?
Then prove me wrong. Find an article from today that shows how many people don't have ID. Until you can prove your point, my point is valid. Millions of people got by for decades without an ID. 3 years is not 100 years ago. How can a person survive without an ID 3 years ago, but can't possibly survive today?
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CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!
Member since 5/05 14021 total posts
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Sooo no answer as you keep talking about an ID for voting.
The point most people have made over and over is that we all need ID, not just for voting so that is something that should be provided for people who can’t afford it on their own.
I honestly don’t know anyone who doesn’t have ID as even starting middle school you have one that can be used outside of school.
So, a middle school ID should be sufficient to vote.
Got it!
The point isn't that you need ID to do some every day stuff...the point is that a lack of ID should not prevent someone the right to execute their constitutional right to vote.
My point is that the majority of people need an ID for everyday life and everyone should have one even if they don’t.
How do you go out without ID god forbid something happens to you?
But as it has been pointed out with facts; there is a large number of Americans that get along just fine with out a gov't issued ID.
And lacking a gov't issued ID should NOT IMPEDE MY RIGHT TO VOTE AS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
It doesn't matter what you think about ID or me for that matter...it's impeding a constitutional
right.
I guess they never leave their homes.
It's possible. There are still quite rural places in America. There are people that are home bound for several reasons.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
...
So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
So your assumption is that the 3 million or more people who didn't get an ID for 80 years ALL got an ID in the last 3 years? That's your takeaway?
Then prove me wrong. Find an article from today that shows how many people don't have ID. Until you can prove your point, my point is valid. Millions of people got by for decades without an ID. 3 years is not 100 years ago. How can a person survive without an ID 3 years ago, but can't possibly survive today?
I did say there are none from this year it even last with this information. If you can find something, that is great as I would love to see something that is not going on 10 years old.
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| Posted 4/5/21 7:19 PM |
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Naturalmama
Love my boys!!
Member since 1/12 3548 total posts
Name:
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
...
So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
So your assumption is that the 3 million or more people who didn't get an ID for 80 years ALL got an ID in the last 3 years? That's your takeaway?
Then prove me wrong. Find an article from today that shows how many people don't have ID. Until you can prove your point, my point is valid. Millions of people got by for decades without an ID. 3 years is not 100 years ago. How can a person survive without an ID 3 years ago, but can't possibly survive today?
I did say there are none from this year it even last with this information. If you can find something, that is great as I would love to see something that is not going on 10 years old.
Three years ago is not almost 10 years old. You didn't answer his question. If millions of people didn't have an ID 10 years ago, and millions of people didn't have an ID 3 years ago, it is safe to say they still don't have an ID today. Why do you even care? I promise you, no amount of in person voting would have given the white house to trump. Even Republicans that weren't vile pieces of crap have a difficult time winning the White House. John McCain, George Bush (his win is still debatable).
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GoldenRod
10 years on LIF!
Member since 11/06 26792 total posts
Name:
Shawn
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
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And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
...
So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
So your assumption is that the 3 million or more people who didn't get an ID for 80 years ALL got an ID in the last 3 years? That's your takeaway?
Then prove me wrong. Find an article from today that shows how many people don't have ID. Until you can prove your point, my point is valid. Millions of people got by for decades without an ID. 3 years is not 100 years ago. How can a person survive without an ID 3 years ago, but can't possibly survive today?
I did say there are none from this year it even last with this information. If you can find something, that is great as I would love to see something that is not going on 10 years old.
Why would it matter? You know that you lost the argument, so you're trying to distract. You agreed that there were numbers from 3 years ago. That's not going on 10 years. If someone can get by 3 years ago without ID, then can get by now.
If I found something from today, you would find some other reason to say it wasn't valid.
Since you don't like looking up facts, and just posting what you feel, I feel like if there were 3 million without ID years ago, there must be at least 10 million now.
Prove me wrong. 10 million people without ID should be allowed to vote. Maybe 20 million. You can't say that number isn't true either.
See how arguments with no facts works?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by windyweather21
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Once again why would you only have an ID to vote? You need one for everyday life.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
...
And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.
...
So, no, you don't need one for everyday life. Sure it makes things easier, but you don't have to have one. Over 3 million Americans don't.
This is from 9 years ago. I wonder what the number is now as I don’t see much updated to now.
For someone so amazing at searching, you don't do a very thorough job. It took all of 1 minute to find a 3 year old page that lists quite a few source of numbers from different years, different methodologies, and different groups, showing a measurable percentage of Americans don't have an ID that would allow them to vote, or do "everyday life" things.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/
So nothing recent? I found all articles from past years. 3 years old and 9 years old is not recent IMO.
So your assumption is that the 3 million or more people who didn't get an ID for 80 years ALL got an ID in the last 3 years? That's your takeaway?
Then prove me wrong. Find an article from today that shows how many people don't have ID. Until you can prove your point, my point is valid. Millions of people got by for decades without an ID. 3 years is not 100 years ago. How can a person survive without an ID 3 years ago, but can't possibly survive today?
I did say there are none from this year it even last with this information. If you can find something, that is great as I would love to see something that is not going on 10 years old.
Why would it matter? You know that you lost the argument, so you're trying to distract. You agreed that there were numbers from 3 years ago. That's not going on 10 years. If someone can get by 3 years ago without ID, then can get by now.
If I found something from today, you would find some other reason to say it wasn't valid.
Since you don't like looking up facts, and just posting what you feel, I feel like if there were 3 million without ID years ago, there must be at least 10 million now.
Prove me wrong. 10 million people without ID should be allowed to vote. Maybe 20 million. You can't say that number isn't true either.
See how arguments with no facts works?
No one should vote without ID. There is no winning or losing in this argument as it protects everyone’s vote, no matter if you are voting for your school taxes or the president of the United States.
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