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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by blu6385

I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.

We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.

My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.

What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.


No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.

Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.

Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!


PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!

To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.

Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.

The initial mandates were constitutional though as Cuomo was given the emergency powers to make them, and as you said, and I agree, they made sense earlier on.

In this case - Hochul technically doesn't have the power to mandate - it needs to go through the State Senate and Assembly, which it didn't. That's against the NY State Constitution.

And for the vaccine itself - NY has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country and hospitaliation rates and positivity rates were still high during this past wave. We could get to a 100% vaccination rate and Covid would still mutate and spread as other parts of the world are lagging in vaccinations. The virus isn't mutating in NY. It's mutating overseas and coming to NY (Omicron for example). I see no sense in ordering kids to be vaccinated when they could still get and spread Covid and actually be sick from it (I had friends with vaccinated kids sicker than friends with unvaccinated kids).

The other vaccines that are mandated - have pretty much erradicated the illnesses they are associated with (the chicken pox are still around as other countries don't mandate that vaccine).

I agree with and understand what you're saying. And believe me, as someone who didn't give her children the COVID vaccine I certainly would not be thrilled with a mandate for it.

I also agree that COVID isn't going anywhere, at least not for now. The good news though is that it seems as if it's weakening with each new strain. Hopefully it just becomes "another sickness" you can get like a cold or a flu without the need to worry as much as we have over the last two years.

Ultimately, I try to cut everyone a little slack when it comes to their anxiety level and/or practices when it comes to COVID. It's been a roller coaster the last two years and it'll take some people time to recover, for whatever their own personal reasons. I do my my best to just avoid the news, show a little empathy and enjoy my life while doing what works best for me. It's all you can do, all of the disagreeing and finger pointing is just unproductive. In the end, everyone wants the same thing.............. normalcy.

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by blu6385

I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.

We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.

My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.

What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.


No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.

Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.

Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!


PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!

To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.

Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.

The initial mandates were constitutional though as Cuomo was given the emergency powers to make them, and as you said, and I agree, they made sense earlier on.

In this case - Hochul technically doesn't have the power to mandate - it needs to go through the State Senate and Assembly, which it didn't. That's against the NY State Constitution.

And for the vaccine itself - NY has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country and hospitaliation rates and positivity rates were still high during this past wave. We could get to a 100% vaccination rate and Covid would still mutate and spread as other parts of the world are lagging in vaccinations. The virus isn't mutating in NY. It's mutating overseas and coming to NY (Omicron for example). I see no sense in ordering kids to be vaccinated when they could still get and spread Covid and actually be sick from it (I had friends with vaccinated kids sicker than friends with unvaccinated kids).

The other vaccines that are mandated - have pretty much erradicated the illnesses they are associated with (the chicken pox are still around as other countries don't mandate that vaccine).

I agree with and understand what you're saying. And believe me, as someone who didn't give her children the COVID vaccine I certainly would not be thrilled with a mandate for it.

I also agree that COVID isn't going anywhere, at least not for now. The good news though is that it seems as if it's weakening with each new strain. Hopefully it just becomes "another sickness" you can get like a cold or a flu without the need to worry as much as we have over the last two years.

Ultimately, I try to cut everyone a little slack when it comes to their anxiety level and/or practices when it comes to COVID. It's been a roller coaster the last two years and it'll take some people time to recover, for whatever their own personal reasons. I do my my best to just avoid the news, show a little empathy and enjoy my life while doing what works best for me. It's all you can do, all of the disagreeing and finger pointing is just unproductive. In the end, everyone wants the same thing.............. normalcy.

Yes - I do agree the finger pointing is annoying. And I don't judge those who want their kids to remain masked or those who have vaccinated them.

And in my area - I feel that nobody is judging those who decided to vaccinate but many are judging those who decided not to - which prolongs the arguing. And many who are judging don't even have kids or school aged kids.

I just feel there should be a choice as the vaccine isn't going to erradicate the virus.

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Posted by ali120206

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by blu6385

I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.

We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.

My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.

What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.


No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.

Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.

Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!


PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!

To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.

Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.

The initial mandates were constitutional though as Cuomo was given the emergency powers to make them, and as you said, and I agree, they made sense earlier on.

In this case - Hochul technically doesn't have the power to mandate - it needs to go through the State Senate and Assembly, which it didn't. That's against the NY State Constitution.

And for the vaccine itself - NY has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country and hospitaliation rates and positivity rates were still high during this past wave. We could get to a 100% vaccination rate and Covid would still mutate and spread as other parts of the world are lagging in vaccinations. The virus isn't mutating in NY. It's mutating overseas and coming to NY (Omicron for example). I see no sense in ordering kids to be vaccinated when they could still get and spread Covid and actually be sick from it (I had friends with vaccinated kids sicker than friends with unvaccinated kids).

The other vaccines that are mandated - have pretty much erradicated the illnesses they are associated with (the chicken pox are still around as other countries don't mandate that vaccine).

I agree with and understand what you're saying. And believe me, as someone who didn't give her children the COVID vaccine I certainly would not be thrilled with a mandate for it.

I also agree that COVID isn't going anywhere, at least not for now. The good news though is that it seems as if it's weakening with each new strain. Hopefully it just becomes "another sickness" you can get like a cold or a flu without the need to worry as much as we have over the last two years.

Ultimately, I try to cut everyone a little slack when it comes to their anxiety level and/or practices when it comes to COVID. It's been a roller coaster the last two years and it'll take some people time to recover, for whatever their own personal reasons. I do my my best to just avoid the news, show a little empathy and enjoy my life while doing what works best for me. It's all you can do, all of the disagreeing and finger pointing is just unproductive. In the end, everyone wants the same thing.............. normalcy.

Yes - I do agree the finger pointing is annoying. And I don't judge those who want their kids to remain masked or those who have vaccinated them.

And in my area - I feel that nobody is judging those who decided to vaccinate but many are judging those who decided not to - which prolongs the arguing. And many who are judging don't even have kids or school aged kids.

I just feel there should be a choice as the vaccine isn't going to erradicate the virus.

ETA - I do feel the need to watch the news though and to try to stop the vaccine from being mandated as I see no reason for my kids to get it.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by blu6385

I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.

We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.

My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.

What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.


No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.

Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.

Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!


PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!

To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.

Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.

The initial mandates were constitutional though as Cuomo was given the emergency powers to make them, and as you said, and I agree, they made sense earlier on.

In this case - Hochul technically doesn't have the power to mandate - it needs to go through the State Senate and Assembly, which it didn't. That's against the NY State Constitution.

And for the vaccine itself - NY has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country and hospitaliation rates and positivity rates were still high during this past wave. We could get to a 100% vaccination rate and Covid would still mutate and spread as other parts of the world are lagging in vaccinations. The virus isn't mutating in NY. It's mutating overseas and coming to NY (Omicron for example). I see no sense in ordering kids to be vaccinated when they could still get and spread Covid and actually be sick from it (I had friends with vaccinated kids sicker than friends with unvaccinated kids).

The other vaccines that are mandated - have pretty much erradicated the illnesses they are associated with (the chicken pox are still around as other countries don't mandate that vaccine).

I agree with and understand what you're saying. And believe me, as someone who didn't give her children the COVID vaccine I certainly would not be thrilled with a mandate for it.

I also agree that COVID isn't going anywhere, at least not for now. The good news though is that it seems as if it's weakening with each new strain. Hopefully it just becomes "another sickness" you can get like a cold or a flu without the need to worry as much as we have over the last two years.

Ultimately, I try to cut everyone a little slack when it comes to their anxiety level and/or practices when it comes to COVID. It's been a roller coaster the last two years and it'll take some people time to recover, for whatever their own personal reasons. I do my my best to just avoid the news, show a little empathy and enjoy my life while doing what works best for me. It's all you can do, all of the disagreeing and finger pointing is just unproductive. In the end, everyone wants the same thing.............. normalcy.

Yes - I do agree the finger pointing is annoying. And I don't judge those who want their kids to remain masked or those who have vaccinated them.

And in my area - I feel that nobody is judging those who decided to vaccinate but many are judging those who decided not to - which prolongs the arguing. And many who are judging don't even have kids or school aged kids.

I just feel there should be a choice as the vaccine isn't going to erradicate the virus.

ETA - I do feel the need to watch the news though and to try to stop the vaccine from being mandated as I see no reason for my kids to get it.

It's all so unfortunate, the fighting and finger pointing is exhausting.

I should have been more specific, I do follow the news but I've become far more choosey about where I get my information. There is too much garbage out there, I like media sources that are more neutral, that's the only place you'll find the truth.

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Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

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a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

dic·ta·tor
/'dik?tad?r/

noun

a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.

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Why do you care? People who are fine with these mandates and restrictions will never see our side. You will never understand it. Stop asking these questions because all that happens is a combative response of how we are wrong. These questions get asked but there is no empathy, understanding or being open minded. It’s becomes a pissing match of who is right and the most righteous.

Secondly, this vaccine is not like other Vaccines and has proven to fail at stopping the spread. To say we should be anti all vaccines because we are not on board with a rush to market shot that is ineffective on stopping this pandemic is stupid. This shot only protects one person. My niece is really sick with covid after getting her last shot in Dec. She didn’t get it from her unvaccinated cousin because I made sure to be responsible and keep him isolated. She got it from her vaccinated, boostered bf. This kid had three shots with in 6 months, caught covid and gave it to another vaccinated minor who is now sick. My unvaccinated kid was fine, strep was 100% worse for him. So I won’t stop believing in other vaccines just because this covid one doesn’t seem like a necessity for me.

It’s the same reason I don’t side with everything one political party stands for. Have we lost all critical thinking skills, logic and deductive reasoning?

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Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

dic·ta·tor
/'dik?tad?r/

noun

a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.

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Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

dic·ta·tor
/'dik?tad?r/

noun

a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.

We are lucky in Nj, Gov. Murphy is scared of the people. So I don’t think he is going to raise restrictions unless he wants a war on his hands. He’s weak without Cuomo. Lol.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

dic·ta·tor
/'dik?tad?r/

noun

a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

--------------------------------------------------

We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.

You might not like how they go about certain things but dictators they are not.

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Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

dic·ta·tor
/'dik?tad?r/

noun

a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

--------------------------------------------------

We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.

You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.

Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.

We are lucky in Nj, Gov. Murphy is scared of the people. So I don’t think he is going to raise restrictions unless he wants a war on his hands. He’s weak without Cuomo. Lol.

He was a little more lax on some things last year too lol - like he let kids play basketball when Cuomo didn't.

But I also think he realizes he barely won re-election. I don't think Hochul (as much as I want her gone) will have that problem.

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